Oliver Hazard Class Frigate Acquisition by Pakistan
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Secondary arms of the OHP / FFG7
This site contains some interesting FFG7 pics, showing the decklevel waist mounted 25mm cannon, superstructure mounted waistmounted single 0.50 cal HMG and twin 0.50 cal HMG mounts over the bridge. It also shows a new SATCOM in place of the former STIR position. Shown is USS Taylor (FFG 50).
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Some OHPs now have a (single? third?) 25mm over the spot of the Mk13 e.g. USS Ford (FFG54) during the RIMPAC 2010 exercise.
Both Taylor and Ford also feature new decoy launchers (?) behind the SLQ-32 ECM gear.
Line drawings of the OHP / FFG7
Given that the 21-round RAM launcher uses the same base as the Phalanx CIWS, it is easy to see that in the absense of a functional Mk13, it could easily be equipped with a RAM launcher (of equivalent Chinese FL3000N) where the STIR used to be and on or forward of the Mk13 position, with room to spare for 2x4 Harpoon immediately forward of the bridge.
This site contains some interesting FFG7 pics, showing the decklevel waist mounted 25mm cannon, superstructure mounted waistmounted single 0.50 cal HMG and twin 0.50 cal HMG mounts over the bridge. It also shows a new SATCOM in place of the former STIR position. Shown is USS Taylor (FFG 50).
Ffg | Poder Naval - Marinha de Guerra, Tecnologia Militar Naval e Marinha Mercante
Some OHPs now have a (single? third?) 25mm over the spot of the Mk13 e.g. USS Ford (FFG54) during the RIMPAC 2010 exercise.
Both Taylor and Ford also feature new decoy launchers (?) behind the SLQ-32 ECM gear.
Line drawings of the OHP / FFG7
Given that the 21-round RAM launcher uses the same base as the Phalanx CIWS, it is easy to see that in the absense of a functional Mk13, it could easily be equipped with a RAM launcher (of equivalent Chinese FL3000N) where the STIR used to be and on or forward of the Mk13 position, with room to spare for 2x4 Harpoon immediately forward of the bridge.
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Should be a wonderful addition to Pakistan Navy , a great christmass present I say .. if we get it in December or new years
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USS McInerney became PNS Alamgir on August 31st, 2010 when it officially came into PN service. It is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan December/January.
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Here's to Oliver Hazard Perry----
Divers: 1811 wreck of Perry ship discovered off RI
AP – This Nov. 10, 2006 photo provided on Jan. 6, 2011 by Charles Buffum, shows a submerged cannon that a …
Slideshow:1811 wreck of Perry ship discovered off RI By MICHELLE R. SMITH, Associated Press Michelle R. Smith,
Associated Press – Fri Jan 7, 6:19 pm ET
PROVIDENCE, R.I. – A team of divers say they've discovered the remains of the USS Revenge, a ship commanded by U.S. Navy hero Oliver Hazard Perry and wrecked off Rhode Island in 1811. Perry is known for defeating the British in the 1813 Battle of Lake Erie off the shores of Ohio, Michigan and Ontario in the War of 1812 and for the line "I have met the enemy and they are ours." His battle flag bore the phrase "Don't give up the ship," and to this day is a symbol of the Navy.
The divers, Charles Buffum, a brewery owner from Stonington, Conn., and Craig Harger, a carbon dioxide salesman from Colchester, Conn., say the wreck changed the course of history because Perry likely would not have been sent to Lake Erie otherwise. Sunday is the 200th anniversary of the wreck.
Buffum said he's been interested in finding the remains of the Revenge ever since his mother several years ago gave him the book "Shipwrecks on the Shores of Westerly." The book includes Perry's account of the wreck, which happened when it hit a reef in a storm in heavy fog off Watch Hill in Westerly as Perry was bringing the ship from Newport to New London, Conn.
"I always thought to myself we ought to go out and have a look and just see if there's anything left," Buffum said.
The two, along with a third man, Mike Fournier, set out to find it with the aid of a metal detector. After several dives, they came across a cannon, then another.
"It was just thrilling," Harger said.
They made their first discovery in August 2005, and kept it secret as they continued to explore the area and make additional discoveries. Since then, they have found four more 42-inch-long cannons, an anchor, canister shot, and other metal objects that they say they're 99 percent sure were from the Revenge.
Buffum and Harger say the items fit into the time period that the Revenge sank, the anchor appears to be the main one that is known to have been cut loose from the ship, and that no other military ships with cannons have been recorded as sinking in the area.
Click image to see photos of the Perry ship wreck
AP
They have not discovered a ship's bell or anything else that identifies it as the Revenge, and all the wood has disappeared, which is not unusual for a wreck that old, they said.
The Navy has a right to salvage its shipwrecks, and the two say they've contacted the Naval History & Heritage Command, which oversees such operations, in hopes the Navy will salvage the remains. A spokesman for the command did not immediately return messages seeking comment.
If the Navy does not, they said they hope to raise the money for a salvage operation so the artifacts can be displayed at a historical society.
They say they are concerned now that they are going public that other divers might try to remove objects from the site, which is a violation of the law. Many of the objects they found are in only 15 feet of water, although the area is difficult to dive because of currents, they said.
As for whether the wreck of the Revenge changed the course of history, David Skaggs, a professor emeritus of history at Bowling Green State University, said Perry might not put it that way. Skaggs has written two books on Perry, "A Signal Victory," about the Lake Erie campaign, which he co-authored, and a biography, "Oliver Hazard Perry: Honor, Courage, and Patriotism in the Early U.S Navy."
While Harger and Buffum say Perry was effectively demoted by being sent to the Great Lakes rather than getting another high seas command, Skaggs said the Great Lakes commission still gave Perry great prestige. Perry, a Rhode Island native, became known as the "Hero of Lake Erie" after he defeated a British squadron, becoming the first U.S. commander to do so.
"Whether or not there is another officer that could have done as well as Perry did is one of those 'might-have-beens' that historians are not prone to ask," Skaggs said.
Still, Skaggs said he was intrigued by the discovery.
"It is certainly an interesting new find on the eve of the bicentennial of the War of 1812," he said.
(This version CORRECTS Corrects title of Perry biography in 14th paragraph.)
Here's to Oliver Hazard Perry----
Divers: 1811 wreck of Perry ship discovered off RI
AP – This Nov. 10, 2006 photo provided on Jan. 6, 2011 by Charles Buffum, shows a submerged cannon that a …
Slideshow:1811 wreck of Perry ship discovered off RI By MICHELLE R. SMITH, Associated Press Michelle R. Smith,
Associated Press – Fri Jan 7, 6:19 pm ET
PROVIDENCE, R.I. – A team of divers say they've discovered the remains of the USS Revenge, a ship commanded by U.S. Navy hero Oliver Hazard Perry and wrecked off Rhode Island in 1811. Perry is known for defeating the British in the 1813 Battle of Lake Erie off the shores of Ohio, Michigan and Ontario in the War of 1812 and for the line "I have met the enemy and they are ours." His battle flag bore the phrase "Don't give up the ship," and to this day is a symbol of the Navy.
The divers, Charles Buffum, a brewery owner from Stonington, Conn., and Craig Harger, a carbon dioxide salesman from Colchester, Conn., say the wreck changed the course of history because Perry likely would not have been sent to Lake Erie otherwise. Sunday is the 200th anniversary of the wreck.
Buffum said he's been interested in finding the remains of the Revenge ever since his mother several years ago gave him the book "Shipwrecks on the Shores of Westerly." The book includes Perry's account of the wreck, which happened when it hit a reef in a storm in heavy fog off Watch Hill in Westerly as Perry was bringing the ship from Newport to New London, Conn.
"I always thought to myself we ought to go out and have a look and just see if there's anything left," Buffum said.
The two, along with a third man, Mike Fournier, set out to find it with the aid of a metal detector. After several dives, they came across a cannon, then another.
"It was just thrilling," Harger said.
They made their first discovery in August 2005, and kept it secret as they continued to explore the area and make additional discoveries. Since then, they have found four more 42-inch-long cannons, an anchor, canister shot, and other metal objects that they say they're 99 percent sure were from the Revenge.
Buffum and Harger say the items fit into the time period that the Revenge sank, the anchor appears to be the main one that is known to have been cut loose from the ship, and that no other military ships with cannons have been recorded as sinking in the area.
Click image to see photos of the Perry ship wreck
AP
They have not discovered a ship's bell or anything else that identifies it as the Revenge, and all the wood has disappeared, which is not unusual for a wreck that old, they said.
The Navy has a right to salvage its shipwrecks, and the two say they've contacted the Naval History & Heritage Command, which oversees such operations, in hopes the Navy will salvage the remains. A spokesman for the command did not immediately return messages seeking comment.
If the Navy does not, they said they hope to raise the money for a salvage operation so the artifacts can be displayed at a historical society.
They say they are concerned now that they are going public that other divers might try to remove objects from the site, which is a violation of the law. Many of the objects they found are in only 15 feet of water, although the area is difficult to dive because of currents, they said.
As for whether the wreck of the Revenge changed the course of history, David Skaggs, a professor emeritus of history at Bowling Green State University, said Perry might not put it that way. Skaggs has written two books on Perry, "A Signal Victory," about the Lake Erie campaign, which he co-authored, and a biography, "Oliver Hazard Perry: Honor, Courage, and Patriotism in the Early U.S Navy."
While Harger and Buffum say Perry was effectively demoted by being sent to the Great Lakes rather than getting another high seas command, Skaggs said the Great Lakes commission still gave Perry great prestige. Perry, a Rhode Island native, became known as the "Hero of Lake Erie" after he defeated a British squadron, becoming the first U.S. commander to do so.
"Whether or not there is another officer that could have done as well as Perry did is one of those 'might-have-beens' that historians are not prone to ask," Skaggs said.
Still, Skaggs said he was intrigued by the discovery.
"It is certainly an interesting new find on the eve of the bicentennial of the War of 1812," he said.
(This version CORRECTS Corrects title of Perry biography in 14th paragraph.)
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Father, captain Craig Christopher Perry, after being imprisoned by the British in the Revolution, had a successful career in the American Navy as well as the merchant service. Perry married Sarah Wallace Alexander, who was a descendant of William Wallace, a Scottish knight and landowner who is known for leading a resistance during the Wars of Scottish Independence and is today remembered as a patriot and national hero. Their daughter Jane Tweedy Perry married United States Congressman William Butler. All five of his sons would go on to join the navy and become officers, making the Perrys a prominent naval family. On of them, Matthew Calbraith Perry, who would later become a rear-admiral and who is best known as the commodore that compelled the opening of Japan to the West by threat of force, received his first naval appointment in 1809 when he was fifteen, acting as midshipman aboard the USS Revenge, commanded by his older brother Oliver Hazard Perry. That Perry served in the War of 1812 against Britain, and at the age of 27 earned the title "Hero of Lake Erie" for leading American forces in a decisive naval victory at the Battle of Lake Erie
The Fitzwilliam Museum : Commodore Perry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Raymond_Perry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Calbraith_Perry
The Fitzwilliam Museum : Commodore Perry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Raymond_Perry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Calbraith_Perry
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Preparing warships for new careers Overhaul prepares Pakistani frigate for sea
By Capt. Edward Lundquist, USN (Ret.)
When a U.S. Navy ship leaves the fleet upon decommissioning, it often finds a new career with allied navies.
The ex-USS McInerney (FFG 8)—the second ship of the Oliver Hazard Perry class to be commissioned and more than 30 years old—is now the PNS Alamgir in the Pakistani Navy.
VSE Corporation is the prime contractor, with the work performed at BAE Systems Southeast Division (formerly Atlantic Marine Florida) in Jacksonville, Florida. “She’ll get a substantial overhaul to her systems. She has a considerable amount of future service life ahead of her,” says Bob Gronenberg, the deputy program manager for ship transfers for Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) in Washington, DC, the executing agency of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) ship transfers.
Necessary repairs and upgrades are accomplished in the U.S. In fact the law requires that the turnover must be conducted in the U.S, and the receiving country must pay all costs, but foreign military aid funds can be applied to FMS transfers.
VSE is often called upon to provide foreign crew support, including messing and berthing until the ship is ready for crew move aboard and the crew is self sustaining. “VSE also manages efficient and responsive post-transfer, follow-on technical support and logistics chains that supply technical assistance and material to recipients of former USN ships to sustain those ships and systems,” says Karl Dinkler, vice president for the GLOBAL Division of VSE’s International Group. “We stay engaged. The transfer is just the first piece.”
The VSE Ship Transfer Assistance Team (STAT) will provide tailored training to prepare the foreign crew to operate their ship. “This training can consist of classroom sessions, on-the-job training and culminates in a light off assessment and at sea exercises modeled after those employed by the US Navy’s Afloat Training Group,” says Dinkler.
With the commissioning of Alamgir on Aug 31, 2010, Pakistan becomes ninth navy to operate Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates, joining Bahrain, Egypt, Poland, Turkey, Australia, Spain, Taiwan and the U.S. Navy.
Dinkler says that of the 43 ships that VSE has transferred since 1995, all but one (which was transferred as a logistics asset) is still in service.
Dave Wright leads the VSE prime contractor team in Jacksonville, which oversees logistics, industrial work and training. “We qualify the crew in firefighting and damage control, PMS and 3-M, and we train to U.S. Navy PQS standards,” he says.
Although VSE has conducted numerous transfers, Wright says the process is dynamic, and evolving. “We have a diverse customer base. Each foreign navy has their desires, needs and wants. The basic process is the same, but the methodology has evolved. We’ve transferred FFGs before, so we didn’t have to reinvent the wheel with this one. A lot of the work done for one ship is the same as the next.”
The extent of the overhaul is dependent on the initial inspection, says Wright.
“There are always surprises,” he says. “We’re prepared for that.”
Work was extensive on most equipment, VSE’s Ken Boone says. All four diesels were removed from the ship and received a complete overhaul. AC units and reefers were overhauled. A completely new, state of the art, navigation suite was installed. The SQS-56 sonar was completely overhauled, including changing to a composite dome. The bridge was completely overhauled and upgraded. A VIP cabin was designed and installed. All shafting was removed and renovated, the controllable pitch propeller system overhauled. Fuel oil tanks and voids were cleaned, inspected, repaired and painted. All sea valves were removed and either repaired or replaced.”
“Virtually every pump was opened and inspected and 80 percent being overhauled as a result of those inspections. NR3 Switchboard was completely overhauled. All breakers for equipment that was worked on were inspected and cleaned and, when required, repaired. All ventilation fans/motors were inspected and approximately 50 percent overhauled as a result of that inspection. The windlass was overhauled. The boat davit was completely overhauled.”
“The ship came off the dock in late November, the crew moved aboard in December and we are working up for Sea Trials in the next 10 days or so,” says Boone. “We're looking at sail away on Feb. 11.”
By Capt. Edward Lundquist, USN (Ret.)
When a U.S. Navy ship leaves the fleet upon decommissioning, it often finds a new career with allied navies.
The ex-USS McInerney (FFG 8)—the second ship of the Oliver Hazard Perry class to be commissioned and more than 30 years old—is now the PNS Alamgir in the Pakistani Navy.
VSE Corporation is the prime contractor, with the work performed at BAE Systems Southeast Division (formerly Atlantic Marine Florida) in Jacksonville, Florida. “She’ll get a substantial overhaul to her systems. She has a considerable amount of future service life ahead of her,” says Bob Gronenberg, the deputy program manager for ship transfers for Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) in Washington, DC, the executing agency of Foreign Military Sales (FMS) ship transfers.
Necessary repairs and upgrades are accomplished in the U.S. In fact the law requires that the turnover must be conducted in the U.S, and the receiving country must pay all costs, but foreign military aid funds can be applied to FMS transfers.
VSE is often called upon to provide foreign crew support, including messing and berthing until the ship is ready for crew move aboard and the crew is self sustaining. “VSE also manages efficient and responsive post-transfer, follow-on technical support and logistics chains that supply technical assistance and material to recipients of former USN ships to sustain those ships and systems,” says Karl Dinkler, vice president for the GLOBAL Division of VSE’s International Group. “We stay engaged. The transfer is just the first piece.”
The VSE Ship Transfer Assistance Team (STAT) will provide tailored training to prepare the foreign crew to operate their ship. “This training can consist of classroom sessions, on-the-job training and culminates in a light off assessment and at sea exercises modeled after those employed by the US Navy’s Afloat Training Group,” says Dinkler.
With the commissioning of Alamgir on Aug 31, 2010, Pakistan becomes ninth navy to operate Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates, joining Bahrain, Egypt, Poland, Turkey, Australia, Spain, Taiwan and the U.S. Navy.
Dinkler says that of the 43 ships that VSE has transferred since 1995, all but one (which was transferred as a logistics asset) is still in service.
Dave Wright leads the VSE prime contractor team in Jacksonville, which oversees logistics, industrial work and training. “We qualify the crew in firefighting and damage control, PMS and 3-M, and we train to U.S. Navy PQS standards,” he says.
Although VSE has conducted numerous transfers, Wright says the process is dynamic, and evolving. “We have a diverse customer base. Each foreign navy has their desires, needs and wants. The basic process is the same, but the methodology has evolved. We’ve transferred FFGs before, so we didn’t have to reinvent the wheel with this one. A lot of the work done for one ship is the same as the next.”
The extent of the overhaul is dependent on the initial inspection, says Wright.
“There are always surprises,” he says. “We’re prepared for that.”
Work was extensive on most equipment, VSE’s Ken Boone says. All four diesels were removed from the ship and received a complete overhaul. AC units and reefers were overhauled. A completely new, state of the art, navigation suite was installed. The SQS-56 sonar was completely overhauled, including changing to a composite dome. The bridge was completely overhauled and upgraded. A VIP cabin was designed and installed. All shafting was removed and renovated, the controllable pitch propeller system overhauled. Fuel oil tanks and voids were cleaned, inspected, repaired and painted. All sea valves were removed and either repaired or replaced.”
“Virtually every pump was opened and inspected and 80 percent being overhauled as a result of those inspections. NR3 Switchboard was completely overhauled. All breakers for equipment that was worked on were inspected and cleaned and, when required, repaired. All ventilation fans/motors were inspected and approximately 50 percent overhauled as a result of that inspection. The windlass was overhauled. The boat davit was completely overhauled.”
“The ship came off the dock in late November, the crew moved aboard in December and we are working up for Sea Trials in the next 10 days or so,” says Boone. “We're looking at sail away on Feb. 11.”
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how many ships do pakistan gte we only ot one is their room for other ships to be given to pakistan navy or just only one
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Thanks for the post my man----basically this ship will be as close to new as it can get---. It might as well last as long as the F 22's we got from china---.
Thanks for the post my man----basically this ship will be as close to new as it can get---. It might as well last as long as the F 22's we got from china---.
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I had no idea that ottoman empire had such a big navy. it all came dow nto bigger weapons and well trained crew. therefore, allied troops won. that brings me back to the idea of confederation betrween Pakistan iran and turkey, as to combine their military assessts and also one foriegn policy. revival ot new tech R&D in latest technology to create a janasari like force which had brought europeans to their knees..
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We have yet to see what would the final weapons and sensor suit on these babies.
The overhauls mentioned in the post are not comprehensive as a refit. Which goes down to basically tearing up the ship down to removing all its superstructure, machinery, engine, and extensive De-scaling of the hull, both inside and out, and than refitting everything back on after extensive overhaul, replacement (where needed).
The overhauls mentioned in the post are not comprehensive as a refit. Which goes down to basically tearing up the ship down to removing all its superstructure, machinery, engine, and extensive De-scaling of the hull, both inside and out, and than refitting everything back on after extensive overhaul, replacement (where needed).
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what are the new things that will be added to these ship under overhaul and what missiles will be there on these ships
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Just wait till february and most specifications will be available. Upon its induction, PERRY class will be the most lethal surface combatant in PN's inventory...
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By the way Nabil is their any news about inducting more OHP class frigates?
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