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Good post,
I second you on this. If there ever was a time to settle this issue for good, it is now.
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Good post,
I second you on this. If there ever was a time to settle this issue for good, it is now.
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Indeed the spirit of the nation is high, the energy levels are shooting up the sky, all these factors won't converge on "request" or "order" in the future. This is indeed the right time for Pakistan to strike in Kashmir militarily and settle this issue once and for all. It is all about timing if Pakistani military/government didn't grab this opportunity then Pakistan is cursed for ever.
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In this thread am going to discuss the blunders which PM Imran khan made blunders in past and how its repercussion are haunting us.
In my opinion , Imran khan's biggest blunder was that when he boycotted the Erdogan's parliament address.
i believe it was a historic moment and all parties should welcome our guest but he did not listen to any one and showed his stubbornness which was not going unnoticed .
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) has decided to boycott Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s address to the joint session of parliament, to be held next week.
The decision was made by the “party leadership” at a meeting held at the residence of chairman Imran Khan in Banigala on Saturday.
Speaking to Dawn after the meeting, PTI vice chairman Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the party had decided it would not attend a joint session held under a “controversial” prime minister who was facing charges of corruption.
Mr Erdogan is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan for a two-day official visit next week. The government plans to convene a special joint sitting of parliament on Nov 17 so the Turkish president can address lawmakers.
ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
Mr Qureshi said the PTI considered Turkey a “sincere friend” of the country and a brother Islamic state. He also said the party had great respect for the Turkish president.
However, the PTI leader said his party had a clear perspective on the Panamagate case, currently being heard by a Supreme Court bench headed by Chief Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali.
Mr Qureshi, who served as foreign minister during the last PPP government, said he had been trying to contact the Turkish ambassador in Islamabad, seeking an appointment for a meeting between Mr Erdogan and the PTI leadership.
“We want to pay a courtesy call under Imran Khan on the Turkish president during his stay in the country,” he said, adding that the party would inform the visiting dignitary of their decision to stay away from parliament and discuss prospects for improved ties between Turkey and Pakistan.
He said the party decided to boycott the joint session because of the prime minister and not Mr Erdogan, and the party would continue to boycott parliament until the SC announced a decision in the Panama Papers case.
In response to a question, Mr Qureshi said the party, at present, only decided to boycott the National Assembly sessions, and its senators would continue to participate in sessions of the upper house. But, he said, PTI senators would not attend the joint parliamentary session convened for the Turkish president.
Sources in the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz told Dawn the party would attempt to persuade the PTI’s leadership to reconsider its boycott of the joint session as a “goodwill gesture” and prevent possible embarrassment to the government during the Turkish president’s visit.
According to them, the PML-N leadership is not very optimistic that the PTI will reconsider its decision.
When asked to comment, Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Sheikh Aftab Ahmed told Dawn that while he was not aware of his party’s official stance on the matter, the party could rethink its strategy in the coming days.
Meanwhile, according to an official statement issued by the PTI’s central media department, the party leadership condemned the government during the meeting for allegedly attempting to sweep the news leaks issue under the carpet through a “pocket (inquiry) commission”.
PTI leaders during the meeting vowed to take the Panamagate and the news leaks issues to their logical conclusion.
Published in Dawn, November 13th, 2016
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مودی کی حماقت بھارت کو بھی لے ڈوبے گی!
4 ہزار کلو میٹر کی دوڑ میں 200 مردوں کو شکست دینے والی خاتون
بانجھ پن سے پریشان خاتون کے گھر 13 ماہ میں 4 بچوں کی پیدائش
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Mohsin
Nov 13, 2016 09:23am
Bad decision. This is not our tradition of receiving guests. Rise for once PTI.
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Muhammad Azeem Khan
Nov 13, 2016 09:25am
A very rude and self centered decision from PTI
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ADNAN MAZHER khan
Nov 13, 2016 09:38am
In our tradition, guests are welcomed with open arms and our internal differences are set aside for ensuring befitting hospitality of the guests. PTI's stance against PM might be a principled one, however flexibility must be shown for couple of hours to listen the address of head of a brotherly country.
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan on Tuesday said his party was standing by its decision to boycott the joint session of parliament to be held this week, which the Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is scheduled to address.
Speaking to media representatives outside his Banigala residence, Imran said his party would not attend the joint session which he said would take place under a controversial prime minister who was facing charges of corruption.
He said “we welcome the Turkish president to Pakistan but at the same time, we do not want to endorse a prime minister who has broken the country's law and has engaged in corruption”.
Imran added that it had become impossible for PTI lawmakers to go to Parliament given the treatment that was meted out to party workers.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan for a two-day official visit this week. The government plans to convene a special joint sitting of parliament on Nov 17 so the Turkish president can address lawmakers.
Criticising the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, he said in the past seven months it had become clear that the government had changed its position several times in relation to its corruption. He added that proceedings in the apex court would further show how much the government has lied.
On the Panamagate case that is being heard in the Supreme Court, the PTI chairman said the government was telling more lies to hide its previous deceits. He further said that his party trusted the court and would accept however it decides to proceed on the matter.
Saad Rafique condemns PTI's decision
Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader Khawaja Saad Rafique while talking to media condemned the decision of PTI to boycott the joint session of the Parliament.
“After meeting Ambassador of Turkey, PTI should have attended the joint session of Parliament,” Rafique said.
“Imran Khan is a threat to the national benefit,” PML-N leader added.
Rafique also lauded the bond between people of Pakistan and Turkey. “Love and respect to Pakistanis is taught in the Turkish homes and I feel proud whenever I visit Turkey,” he said.
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مودی کی حماقت بھارت کو بھی لے ڈوبے گی!
4 ہزار کلو میٹر کی دوڑ میں 200 مردوں کو شکست دینے والی خاتون
بانجھ پن سے پریشان خاتون کے گھر 13 ماہ میں 4 بچوں کی پیدائش
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ex pti
Nov 15, 2016 04:41pm
wrong decision once again,
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A great decision by PTI.
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Nov 15, 2016 04:42pm
Good.
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when you dnt want to welcome one of the powerful leader of muslim country and that country has a brotherly relationship with your country then you have to face consequences.
My second point is about the relationship with GCC and Imran khan's statements
KSA is the leader of GCC and always helps us in bad times and stood like brother and support in thick and thin and when they needed us more than ever we showed them cold shoulder
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Pakistan’s government last week approved the appointment of a former army chief, Raheel Sharif, to lead the Islamic Military Alliance, a posting announced by Saudi Arabia in January. The alliance includes several dozen mainly Muslim countries with the professed aim of countering terrorism, although it has taken no significant military actions, least of all fighting the Islamic State in Syria or Iraq.
Saudi officials have argued that the alliance’s Muslim identity will make it more effective in combating Islamic extremists, while sending a powerful message that Muslim countries reject their ideology.
But critics note that the alliance does not include predominately Shiite states like Iran and Iraq, making it more of a Sunni military alliance than an “Islamic” one. Still, the appointment of Mr. Sharif would give the Saudi-led alliance a more international sheen. Saudi Arabia has also been seeking support from Pakistan for its campaign against Houthi rebels in Yemen and may be hoping Mr. Sharif’s appointment could bolster that effort.
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The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, led by Imran Khan, has been at the forefront of opposing the decision, saying it could widen the Sunni-Shiite divide in Pakistan and upset Iran, its majority-Shiite neighbor to the west. The party says it will raise the issue in the next session of Parliament later in April.
“We strongly advocate the policy of impartiality as far as conflicts in the Middle East and Muslim world are concerned,” Mr. Khan said. “We under no circumstances should fall into any conflict and hence be watchful of the impacts of every decision or choice we make.”
And on the country’s rambunctious political talk shows, guests have been vigorously debating the appointment of Mr. Sharif, who was hugely popular for his successes against Taliban militants before retiring last year, with many expressing criticism and apprehension.
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Pakistan is a predominantly Sunni country, like Saudi Arabia, but Shiites make up about 20 percent of the population and have often been targeted by extremist Sunni militants.
Saudi Arabia is a major donor to Pakistan and maintains close ties with its civil and military elite. It has appealed to Pakistan for military help with its campaign in Yemen against the Houthi rebels, who are aligned with Iran and belong to the Zaydi Shiite sect.
But Pakistan has so far stayed out of the operation, which is being conducted by Saudi Arabia and a smaller coalition of Arab countries. Egypt, too, has turned down requests for help in Yemen despite receiving considerable financial aid from Saudi Arabia.
Pakistan’s Parliament passed a resolution in 2015 urging the government to stay neutral in Yemen, where more than 10,000 people have been killed, mainly in airstrikes, since Saudi Arabia began its campaign.
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So far, the government has complied, but its inability to rally support behind the Saudi military effort has been embarrassing for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who lived in exile in the Saudi city of Jidda in the early 2000s. (Mr. Sharif, the prime minister, is not related to the former army chief.)
Now, the former army chief’s presence at the head of the Islamic Military Alliance could signal a change in policy, analysts say.
Mr. Sharif’s appointment “is a bit of a departure from Pakistan’s more-or-less neutral position on the Iran-Saudi regional war,” said Arif Rafiq, a political analyst. “As a result, it’s been opposed by even the mainstream, nonsectarian political voices in Pakistan.”
Mr. Rafiq said the impact on sectarian relations in Pakistan was still uncertain.
If the alliance “confronts Iran or Iranian-supported groups in places like Yemen, then it could trigger protests inside Pakistan,” he said. “On the other hand, if it is merely a symbolic coalition that limits itself to Saudi territory or focuses on combating ISIS, then the negative impact would be minimal,” he added, referring to the Islamic State, which is also known as ISIL.
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Mr. Rafiq said the retired general might see himself more broadly as the leader of a military force defending the Muslim holy sites of Mecca and Medina against the Islamic State, which might be more acceptable for most Pakistanis.
“For Pakistanis, to have one of their own leading, it would be a great honor,” he said.
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Imran Khan, the head of Pakistan’s Tehreek-e-Insaf party, in 2015. The party has opposed the appointment of Mr. Sharif to head the Saudi-led Islamic Military Alliance.CreditFarooq Naeem/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
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The newspaper said the “clandestine manner” in which the government handled the general’s appointment had created the impression of a “secret deal.”
Nasser Janjua, the Pakistani national security adviser, said last week that Mr. Sharif would play a visible, proactive role in the military alliance. Mr. Sharif will “use his experiences and knowledge to remove internal misunderstandings among Muslim countries,” Mr. Janjua was quoted as saying by local news media. He did not elaborate.
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Now when he came to power i would ask which two countries help us when we were going to bankrupt
who gave us missiles which we use in 27 th feb
we pakistanis have short memory always emotional and make decision on rational basis and always late on making decision.
Now i would discuss about Kashmir.
you all are angry because GCC did not condemn it .
when you show cold shoulders toy your best buddies in their bad time then dnt expect from them but still they help us even MBS said that he is ambassodor to KSA from pakistan.
if Pakistan support islamic alliance then Pakistan could get benefits economically , socially and militarily . i believe alliance could help to tackle to eradicate scum like TTP and BLA
because of alliance India would not dare to end the special status of Kashmir
mind you can i ask a question when our PM condemn that action when India ended the special status of Kashmir . i think it was too late .
when our Pm is too late to condemned that action then how can you expect from other countries.
you all are criticizing GCC on kashmir but i have to ask what Iran did for us ?
do they attack india?
we have to wait because its the start of the game and its not the end.
it was my assessment about Pm IK's blunders and its repercussion
@Khafee @Starlord @mastaankhan
In my opinion , Imran khan's biggest blunder was that when he boycotted the Erdogan's parliament address.
i believe it was a historic moment and all parties should welcome our guest but he did not listen to any one and showed his stubbornness which was not going unnoticed .
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) has decided to boycott Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s address to the joint session of parliament, to be held next week.
The decision was made by the “party leadership” at a meeting held at the residence of chairman Imran Khan in Banigala on Saturday.
Speaking to Dawn after the meeting, PTI vice chairman Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the party had decided it would not attend a joint session held under a “controversial” prime minister who was facing charges of corruption.
Mr Erdogan is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan for a two-day official visit next week. The government plans to convene a special joint sitting of parliament on Nov 17 so the Turkish president can address lawmakers.
ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
Mr Qureshi said the PTI considered Turkey a “sincere friend” of the country and a brother Islamic state. He also said the party had great respect for the Turkish president.
However, the PTI leader said his party had a clear perspective on the Panamagate case, currently being heard by a Supreme Court bench headed by Chief Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali.
Mr Qureshi, who served as foreign minister during the last PPP government, said he had been trying to contact the Turkish ambassador in Islamabad, seeking an appointment for a meeting between Mr Erdogan and the PTI leadership.
“We want to pay a courtesy call under Imran Khan on the Turkish president during his stay in the country,” he said, adding that the party would inform the visiting dignitary of their decision to stay away from parliament and discuss prospects for improved ties between Turkey and Pakistan.
He said the party decided to boycott the joint session because of the prime minister and not Mr Erdogan, and the party would continue to boycott parliament until the SC announced a decision in the Panama Papers case.
In response to a question, Mr Qureshi said the party, at present, only decided to boycott the National Assembly sessions, and its senators would continue to participate in sessions of the upper house. But, he said, PTI senators would not attend the joint parliamentary session convened for the Turkish president.
Sources in the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz told Dawn the party would attempt to persuade the PTI’s leadership to reconsider its boycott of the joint session as a “goodwill gesture” and prevent possible embarrassment to the government during the Turkish president’s visit.
According to them, the PML-N leadership is not very optimistic that the PTI will reconsider its decision.
When asked to comment, Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Sheikh Aftab Ahmed told Dawn that while he was not aware of his party’s official stance on the matter, the party could rethink its strategy in the coming days.
Meanwhile, according to an official statement issued by the PTI’s central media department, the party leadership condemned the government during the meeting for allegedly attempting to sweep the news leaks issue under the carpet through a “pocket (inquiry) commission”.
PTI leaders during the meeting vowed to take the Panamagate and the news leaks issues to their logical conclusion.
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مودی کی حماقت بھارت کو بھی لے ڈوبے گی!
4 ہزار کلو میٹر کی دوڑ میں 200 مردوں کو شکست دینے والی خاتون
بانجھ پن سے پریشان خاتون کے گھر 13 ماہ میں 4 بچوں کی پیدائش
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Mohsin
Nov 13, 2016 09:23am
Bad decision. This is not our tradition of receiving guests. Rise for once PTI.
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Muhammad Azeem Khan
Nov 13, 2016 09:25am
A very rude and self centered decision from PTI
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ADNAN MAZHER khan
Nov 13, 2016 09:38am
In our tradition, guests are welcomed with open arms and our internal differences are set aside for ensuring befitting hospitality of the guests. PTI's stance against PM might be a principled one, however flexibility must be shown for couple of hours to listen the address of head of a brotherly country.
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan on Tuesday said his party was standing by its decision to boycott the joint session of parliament to be held this week, which the Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is scheduled to address.
Speaking to media representatives outside his Banigala residence, Imran said his party would not attend the joint session which he said would take place under a controversial prime minister who was facing charges of corruption.
He said “we welcome the Turkish president to Pakistan but at the same time, we do not want to endorse a prime minister who has broken the country's law and has engaged in corruption”.
Imran added that it had become impossible for PTI lawmakers to go to Parliament given the treatment that was meted out to party workers.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan for a two-day official visit this week. The government plans to convene a special joint sitting of parliament on Nov 17 so the Turkish president can address lawmakers.
Criticising the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, he said in the past seven months it had become clear that the government had changed its position several times in relation to its corruption. He added that proceedings in the apex court would further show how much the government has lied.
On the Panamagate case that is being heard in the Supreme Court, the PTI chairman said the government was telling more lies to hide its previous deceits. He further said that his party trusted the court and would accept however it decides to proceed on the matter.
Saad Rafique condemns PTI's decision
Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader Khawaja Saad Rafique while talking to media condemned the decision of PTI to boycott the joint session of the Parliament.
“After meeting Ambassador of Turkey, PTI should have attended the joint session of Parliament,” Rafique said.
“Imran Khan is a threat to the national benefit,” PML-N leader added.
Rafique also lauded the bond between people of Pakistan and Turkey. “Love and respect to Pakistanis is taught in the Turkish homes and I feel proud whenever I visit Turkey,” he said.
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ex pti
Nov 15, 2016 04:41pm
wrong decision once again,
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Sonya
Nov 15, 2016 04:42pm
A great decision by PTI.
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KB
Nov 15, 2016 04:42pm
Good.
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when you dnt want to welcome one of the powerful leader of muslim country and that country has a brotherly relationship with your country then you have to face consequences.
My second point is about the relationship with GCC and Imran khan's statements
KSA is the leader of GCC and always helps us in bad times and stood like brother and support in thick and thin and when they needed us more than ever we showed them cold shoulder
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Saudi officials have argued that the alliance’s Muslim identity will make it more effective in combating Islamic extremists, while sending a powerful message that Muslim countries reject their ideology.
But critics note that the alliance does not include predominately Shiite states like Iran and Iraq, making it more of a Sunni military alliance than an “Islamic” one. Still, the appointment of Mr. Sharif would give the Saudi-led alliance a more international sheen. Saudi Arabia has also been seeking support from Pakistan for its campaign against Houthi rebels in Yemen and may be hoping Mr. Sharif’s appointment could bolster that effort.
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Now when he came to power i would ask which two countries help us when we were going to bankrupt
who gave us missiles which we use in 27 th feb
we pakistanis have short memory always emotional and make decision on rational basis and always late on making decision.
Now i would discuss about Kashmir.
you all are angry because GCC did not condemn it .
when you show cold shoulders toy your best buddies in their bad time then dnt expect from them but still they help us even MBS said that he is ambassodor to KSA from pakistan.
if Pakistan support islamic alliance then Pakistan could get benefits economically , socially and militarily . i believe alliance could help to tackle to eradicate scum like TTP and BLA
because of alliance India would not dare to end the special status of Kashmir
mind you can i ask a question when our PM condemn that action when India ended the special status of Kashmir . i think it was too late .
when our Pm is too late to condemned that action then how can you expect from other countries.
you all are criticizing GCC on kashmir but i have to ask what Iran did for us ?
do they attack india?
we have to wait because its the start of the game and its not the end.
it was my assessment about Pm IK's blunders and its repercussion
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As a imran khan supporter what makes me hate him right now when he shows his intentions yestersay ke kia hum jang larr le?
It clearly shows how stupid he is and he passed a message to india that come F**k us but i will beg for peace.
How could someone make a peace with ignorant? Till when we will relly on other countries to help us yet we have nothing to give them? Why we never learn to stand on our own feet? Opposition and media wing like hamid mir could engage about its sahafat freedom but these crooks cant do anything about kashmir and couldn't talk about indian brutality.
Everyone in pakistan right now looking for self interest and no one seems serious with pakistan issue.
I am so sorry to say Pakistan is too damaged internally and traitors in pakistan is incolved.
Irony that a criminal in pakistan become a caretaker governer this is our constitution and this is our law.
RIP pakistan.
It clearly shows how stupid he is and he passed a message to india that come F**k us but i will beg for peace.
How could someone make a peace with ignorant? Till when we will relly on other countries to help us yet we have nothing to give them? Why we never learn to stand on our own feet? Opposition and media wing like hamid mir could engage about its sahafat freedom but these crooks cant do anything about kashmir and couldn't talk about indian brutality.
Everyone in pakistan right now looking for self interest and no one seems serious with pakistan issue.
I am so sorry to say Pakistan is too damaged internally and traitors in pakistan is incolved.
Irony that a criminal in pakistan become a caretaker governer this is our constitution and this is our law.
RIP pakistan.
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Can you please add a summary of blunders.
Dont think that he said "kya hum Jang Larr le". Can you please show me the video where he says that and which context.
Not sure which Governer are you referring to.
Dont think that he said "kya hum Jang Larr le". Can you please show me the video where he says that and which context.
Not sure which Governer are you referring to.
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First there were no “blunders” in anything you posted above. Second his statement about should
I go to the war was in a specific context. Haters will find the reason to hate no matter what. I am not wasting my time on this juvenile fest:
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Not sure why you replied to me.
I have seen the video thats why I am saying that he did not ask that question without context.
Agha siraj durani is not senate chairman he is the speaker of Sindh assembly. He was elected by PPP and is by the acting governor in the absence of the governor. People who voted for him elected a criminal, party that gave him the speakership is criminal. The probelm is with us not with the law.
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Shahbaz Shareef as usual taunting him for not doing enough after 370 and IK responded above statement. These stupid apposition hosting dinners for Modi in there home. And now crying like little biatches...
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Sorry my mistake he is speaker of sindh assembly. But still he is criminal and our constitution allows a criminal to stay as care taker government. Production order of criminals is another example of how shi*ty laws we have.
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In this thread am going to discuss the blunders which PM Imran khan made in past and how its repercussion are haunting us.
In my opinion , Imran khan's biggest blunder was that when he boycotted the Erdogan's parliament address.
i believe it was a historic moment and all parties should welcome our guest but he did not listen to any one and showed his stubbornness which was not going unnoticed because he was leading a brotherly muslim nation and he should show some respect.
Now in difficult it was khan who called the same person whom he did not welcome in parliament.
Now i will discuss abou GCC .
In history ,when we were in difficult time KSA always came to help us no matter what were the consequences but when they wanted our help it was imran khan whose opposed islamic alliance and gave it the sectarian colour .
Now when he came to power country was in crises then who came to help us ? i would ask which two countries help us when we were going to bankrupt?
who gave us missiles which we use in 27 th for to protect our sovereignty?
the answer is simple it was KSA and UAE after getting cold answer from Pakistan they still helped us.
we pakistanis have short memory always emotional . we should make decision on rational basis emotional decision brings nothing
Now i would discuss about Kashmir.
you all are angry because GCC did not condemn it .
when you show cold shoulders to your best buddies in their bad time then dnt expect from them but still they helped us
even
MBS said that he is ambassodor to KSA from pakistan.
i believe
if Pakistan support islamic alliance then Pakistan could get benefits economically , socially and militarily . i believe alliance could help to tackle to eradicate scum like TTP and BLA. we can use alliance forces just like NATO and could play an important part in international community and i believe ,
because of alliance India could not dare to end the special status of Kashmir and we could bring her on table very easily.
mind you can i ask a question when our PM condemn that action when India ended the special status of Kashmir . i think it was too late .
when our Pm is too late to condemned that action then how can you expect from other countries.
you all are criticizing GCC on kashmir but iy was GCC who gave us miasiles and still financing for our jets . they are not talk just talk but help us without making noise
Now i have to ask what Iran did for us ?
do they attack india?
answer is no they have made alliance with india and they were threatening us to attack on us before 26th . thats a bitter reality we have to face it .
Am still hope full and i believe GCC will help us but
we have to wait because its the start of the game and its not the end.
it was my assessment about Pm IK's blunders and its repercussion and i believe leader should not care about personal interest when country's interest on stake and he made too much blunders and totally ignored the country's interest too many times
Sorry guys this is what i want to say
In my opinion , Imran khan's biggest blunder was that when he boycotted the Erdogan's parliament address.
i believe it was a historic moment and all parties should welcome our guest but he did not listen to any one and showed his stubbornness which was not going unnoticed because he was leading a brotherly muslim nation and he should show some respect.
Now in difficult it was khan who called the same person whom he did not welcome in parliament.
Now i will discuss abou GCC .
In history ,when we were in difficult time KSA always came to help us no matter what were the consequences but when they wanted our help it was imran khan whose opposed islamic alliance and gave it the sectarian colour .
Now when he came to power country was in crises then who came to help us ? i would ask which two countries help us when we were going to bankrupt?
who gave us missiles which we use in 27 th for to protect our sovereignty?
the answer is simple it was KSA and UAE after getting cold answer from Pakistan they still helped us.
we pakistanis have short memory always emotional . we should make decision on rational basis emotional decision brings nothing
Now i would discuss about Kashmir.
you all are angry because GCC did not condemn it .
when you show cold shoulders to your best buddies in their bad time then dnt expect from them but still they helped us
even
MBS said that he is ambassodor to KSA from pakistan.
i believe
if Pakistan support islamic alliance then Pakistan could get benefits economically , socially and militarily . i believe alliance could help to tackle to eradicate scum like TTP and BLA. we can use alliance forces just like NATO and could play an important part in international community and i believe ,
because of alliance India could not dare to end the special status of Kashmir and we could bring her on table very easily.
mind you can i ask a question when our PM condemn that action when India ended the special status of Kashmir . i think it was too late .
when our Pm is too late to condemned that action then how can you expect from other countries.
you all are criticizing GCC on kashmir but iy was GCC who gave us miasiles and still financing for our jets . they are not talk just talk but help us without making noise
Now i have to ask what Iran did for us ?
do they attack india?
answer is no they have made alliance with india and they were threatening us to attack on us before 26th . thats a bitter reality we have to face it .
Am still hope full and i believe GCC will help us but
we have to wait because its the start of the game and its not the end.
it was my assessment about Pm IK's blunders and its repercussion and i believe leader should not care about personal interest when country's interest on stake and he made too much blunders and totally ignored the country's interest too many times
Sorry guys this is what i want to say
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Constitution does not allow for a criminal to be governor. It allows the Speak to be acting governor.
Also constitution does not allow a convicted criminal to stand in election. Produciton order are being issued for members whose cases are still in investigation or in court.
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I know its high time to go to the war but we are reluctant why, I mean I get politician reasons(liberal and pro indians). but why army.
when you see the situation you will find that Pakistani establishment both civil and military, first priority is to bring taliban to the power, if we want to take a decisive action on indian front we must secure our western front its imperative.
remember india can't penetrate from loc but they can easily engage from afg. and we have examples 2 attacks 10 soldier martyred
yes its a failure of govt but whats wrong with it india had huge miscalculation last feb this time its ours, what matters is we must play with our strength
its text book sun tzu. read it
when you see the situation you will find that Pakistani establishment both civil and military, first priority is to bring taliban to the power, if we want to take a decisive action on indian front we must secure our western front its imperative.
remember india can't penetrate from loc but they can easily engage from afg. and we have examples 2 attacks 10 soldier martyred
yes its a failure of govt but whats wrong with it india had huge miscalculation last feb this time its ours, what matters is we must play with our strength
its text book sun tzu. read it
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Personalities and their internal politics does not matter in state relations.
Head of any state doesn't care internal politics of any personality.Erdogan won't hurt Pak-Turk relationship due to internal politics of previous opposition party.
And my reply to hopless members. Pakistan is stable now and going in the right direction.
Head of any state doesn't care internal politics of any personality.Erdogan won't hurt Pak-Turk relationship due to internal politics of previous opposition party.
And my reply to hopless members. Pakistan is stable now and going in the right direction.
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