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How to Save U.S.-Pakistan Relations from the Brink of Disaster

Trolling in not allowed how about you and your indian buddies solve that problem first.

He is a hateful war mongeror. I think both countries not going to war has effected him.

Anyhow I personally and strongly believe that we should not cut ties with them and believe me US will never cut ties with us due to the strategic location and the Afghanistan factor. We can always mend ties with greater diplomacy however our ties will never reach their peak as they did before again simply bcz we are very close US rival and are granting him access to the Arabian sea and the Indian ocean as well as a strategic place right on the point of the strait of Hormuz. There are other factors as well.

We have to keep this in our mind and although keep US at arms length but also keep positive relations with them. We need good diplomacy for which we need a foreign minister that is also not PM. I think that is the first step towards saving pak-us relations from the brink.
 
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U.S.-Pakistan relations are bound to remain turbulent and transactional in nature, not because both countries want it, but mostly because the government of Pakistan is unable to come up with a strategic plan to engage the United States

i would love to hear from posters across the border what is strategy here. Are they just arms supplier to you? Do they mean something more?
 
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The bitter truth is that the world is today a very divided place. One part is supposedly allied with the US and the other is not. Pakistan certainly doesn't belong in the US camp.

USA and Pakistan have diverging interests in the region.

Let's face it, China was always a natural ally of Pakistan since the beginning, even when Pakistan and US had good relations during the Cold War. What we are seeing with CPEC is evidence of this. China and Pakistan are joined at the hip, US not so much.

No doubt. The Pak army certainly views the US as an Indian ally. That also includes the people. Our civilian rulers are the problem here. They need US backing to survive. The US gladly fulfills the role of a devil's advocate to create the false impression they have some influence and allies on the ground.

Sorry, it's not just the civilians, but the military also. Billions in military aid given Pakistan helped build its military to be better able to challenge India in the region. This was one of the main reasons Zia-ul-Haq joined the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. He craved American hardware. And to a certain extent this is still true.

i feel pity for you hindus since you can't do a jack about Pakistan you are now expecting your new daddies to fight us for you,No wonder why your nation was always slave of foreigners forever

US was Pakistan's daddy before it became India's. Now China is your daddy.

Unless we get any advanced weapons systems from the americans than what's the point in having any relations with them? From a Pakistani POV, that is the ONLY purpose america serves for us. Other than that we have nothing to do with them.

Did you get your fill? Still looking for used F-16s last time I checked.
 
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US was Pakistan's daddy before it became India's. Now China is your daddy.
well they were our allies and we treated them accordingly thats why they often used to accuse pakistan playing double games while Indeans who are new to the game are behaving likes Americas most obedient daughter,where People worship trump to please dady SAM
 
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Let's face it, China was always a natural ally of Pakistan since the beginning, even when Pakistan and US had good relations during the Cold War. What we are seeing with CPEC is evidence of this. China and Pakistan are joined at the hip, US not so much.



Sorry, it's not just the civilians, but the military also. Billions in military aid given Pakistan helped build its military to be better able to challenge India in the region. This was one of the main reasons Zia-ul-Haq joined the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. He craved American hardware. And to a certain extent this is still true.



US was Pakistan's daddy before it became India's. Now China is your daddy.



Did you get your fill? Still looking for used F-16s last time I checked.


Precisely! And they will not be forthcoming. So why waste time with a non beneficial relationship when it could be cultivated elsewhere for better results?
 
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There is no relationship to begin with. The US is losing allies left and right. It has problems with major powers in the world today. The people to people relations are damaged and beyond repair. Too much has happened over the years. On a government level both nations are only keeping up appearances. PML-N is under the grand illusion that it has an ally in the form of the US. They are sorely mistaken.

The bitter truth is that the world is today a very divided place. One part is supposedly allied with the US and the other is not. Pakistan certainly doesn't belong in the US camp.

The world is awaiting the US elections. That's another beauty in the making which will determine where the US is heading. Right now the US doesn't even know about its own uncertain future.

it looks like someone is despondent over the checks not coming

:rofl::rofl: Philippine's Duterte isn't the entire world.
China will be stupid to rely upon Duterte for anything
 
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There is no relationship to begin with. The US is losing allies left and right. It has problems with major powers in the world today. The people to people relations are damaged and beyond repair. Too much has happened over the years. On a government level both nations are only keeping up appearances. PML-N is under the grand illusion that it has an ally in the form of the US. They are sorely mistaken.

The bitter truth is that the world is today a very divided place. One part is supposedly allied with the US and the other is not. Pakistan certainly doesn't belong in the US camp.

The world is awaiting the US elections. That's another beauty in the making which will determine where the US is heading. Right now the US doesn't even know about its own uncertain future.
You make it sound like as if US has become irrelevant in foreign affairs. That is not the case.

Remember this proverb: The world has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.

US may loose or gain an ally from time to time. That is not our concern.

Our focus should be on how to make our foreign policy competent and extract the most out of it. This is what this article is about.

There is no need to be in the American camp. However, Pakistan should define a clear-cut policy for its relationship with the US. And it should not be restricted to purchase of arms, if we are to make the most out of it.

As for the future, it is uncertain for every state. However, unlike Pakistan, US has a functioning Think Tank that studies the ground realities of the world and offers suggestions accordingly, and the American government can gain insight from those suggestions. One more thing; a normal person like you (or me) have no idea about their plans for the future. It may take us years to realize that Americans were responsible for orchestrating a large number of events across the world and how they suited their interests.
 
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The first issue is ruptured communication and messaging on both sides, which leads to misplaced expectations, double-talk and unneeded suspicion. It almost appears that U.S.-Pakistan relations suffer from a chronic oversized bureaucracy that is unable to coordinate messaging—not just between the two countries, but also between the institutions within the two countries, driving relations to the edge over every strategic or ideological clash in the war on terror.

This is simply not true. Author might have some special interest due to his current position in giving a message that everything is about alright and can easily be fixed. I think there are deeper problems between two countries. America protects only her own interests and they do not give any slightest damn to Pakistani interests. There is no evolution of mutual interests but mostly conflicts of interest in this relationship.

While the think tanks and the media in Washington and Islamabad predict a total collapse in U.S.-Pakistan relations due to an impasse over the Haqqani network and other issues, the relationship has endured for over six decades, with a history of close cooperation on matters of security and intelligence. Relations are suffering, not because of the inherently different interests or evil designs between the two countries, but mostly because of the bureaucratic and logistical issues that have risen due to deep engagement in a long war that is nowhere near its end.

There was never a relation of friendship. At some point in history the interests of both countries converged to stop USSR from her expansionist policies and there was a good degree of cooperation but it would be truly misplaced to call it friendship. Though many pseudo-liberals would like to argue that United States is a great friend but the truth is that we are a Muslim country and the politics of United States is dominated by conservative hardliners that include religious conservatives, jews and some other similar groups. They consider Muslims as their enemies. We have to recall recent history how United States defence department and conservative government started a war on Iraq on the most flimsiest evidence. All the world community, European powers(other than Britain) and United Nations were opposed to war and did not want to participate but jews and religious conservatives bitterly wanted war. What happened later in Iraq should be enough to open the eyes of anyone who can use the slightest logic in his brain.

As if the humiliating defeat in the Iraq war was not enough, all the jewish and conservative lobby started clamoring for war on Iran. When Barack Obama was trying to find a peaceful solution, the conservative led congress was constantly threatening to sabotage those talks. It was only that some wise people in America had actually realized the consequences of another war and tried to look for a peaceful win-win solution for everyone despite the threatening stance of jews and conservatives. If it were not for the more intelligent and more peaceful democratic leadership, we could have seen another war in Middle East.

Though democrats are far more wiser and far more keen for peace than the conservative groups, we have to acknowledge that it is the conservatives that mostly rule the US Congress and Senate and they have no sense of empathy and compassion with Pakistani people. I am sure there would be some notable exceptions to what I have stated but my views are true for general conservative politicians in US. I would say that if there is a strong conservative president again in US, there is a good likelihood for another war and our country might as well be the target. Such a possibility can never be precluded because many jews and conservatives look at our country with great suspicion and hatred. One can see a large number of reports published in American media by these jewish and conservative groups talking about nuclear threats from Pakistan and this hype can transfer into a war hysteria some time to punish our country.

I would say that those Pakistanis who consider America a friend are great fools. However there are many other realities to consider. Democrats are generally wiser and more sensible when it comes to world politics and we should look for cooperation with them. Many stupid Pakistanis consider amount of American aid as a criteria of friendship and such myopic understanding of reality hurts our country. Many democrat governments have no incentive to give us much aid but they are generally not hostile to our country and have no special motives to hurt our country. They would generally not unduly intervene in the growth or politics of our country unlike many conservatives who are more prone to have malicious designs on our country. If I could recall older days when it was said that conservatives are friends of Pakistan and they give us more aid but they in turn manipulated things and damaged interests of our country. There used to be generally more aid but less friendship in conservative times. I would like to add that American defence department is controlled by conservatives and they continue to add their flavor to the policies of democrat governments.

While the United States has a clear policy and knows exactly what it wants from Pakistan—to ensure its support in Afghanistan, reduce the risk of nuclear fallout and push the government to eliminate militancy in its borders—the government of Pakistan does not know what it wants from its relations with the United States, both in the long term and the short term.

The author is right in saying that we do not have an intelligent strategy about relationship with United States. As a Pakistani it is painful for me that we do not understand the interests of our country. There are some demands of United States that are also in great interest of our country but we do not follow the true interests of our country. It is in perfect interest of Pakistan to have a meaningful dialogue with Afghan government and encourage peace and stability in Afghanistan in every possible way. A poor and backward Afghanistan would remain a nightmare for Pakistan in one way or other and a peaceful, stable and prosperous Afghanistan would add to stability in our country. I really think that our nation has to go out of its way to promote peace and prosperity in Afghanistan. I do understand there are hostilities between governments of both countries and in such times, the most natural human reaction seems to respond to a hostile act with an act of hostility on our side. Wisdom lies in somehow stopping hostilities and creating an atmosphere of trust between two countries. We have to take genuine actions to stop the current politics of mistrust and bring trust into the relationship between two countries. Similarly we have to take a principled stand on all US concerns. It seems very right that no act of terrorism should arise from our country to US or any other third country and we should take every action to ensure that nothing of the sort could ever happen.

Despite whatever I said about friendship with United States, I would like to add that we should try to seek friendship with United States if there is some honest leadership in US that actually makes sure that US does not try to compromise rightful interests of Pakistan.

I would end the comments by again emphasizing that we should not confuse American aid with friendship. This is the most misplaced idea that many Pakistanis have. We are supposed to take our destiny in our hands and make the right decisions that grow our economy, flourish trade and introduce technological research and advanced sciences in our country. The reason for poor state of affairs in our country is lack of intelligent planning for our economy and our society and lack of a strong will to properly implement the right plans for our country.
 
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It will be close to impossible for US to slap UN sanctions (China and Russia will not). Unilateral sanctions they will get away with, and those may result in confiscation of Nawaz and Zardari assets.

And US won't go to war directly with us. India is the 'dog in the well' they are training that will attack us eventually.

It is highly likely that all military and economic ties with US will be terminated in near future.
 
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Nothing will change, things will probably get better, especially with peace in Afghanistan.
 
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Nothing will change, things will probably get better, especially with peace in Afghanistan.

How???? While USA has more affection for India now a days... and obviously it would increase in future as seems. USA can nver afford an "independent" Pakistan so they definitely would ditch us somewhere..

Things would get better in favour of us when USA would have a gigantic interest in Pakistan.. Jo k filhal nazar nahi a raha.
 
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It is too late now...there is China - US relation too that will effect how the relations between US and Pakistan will evolve ...Pakistan is going with China...so US sees/will see Pakistan as an ally of China. Then there is also Afghanistan, and US see Pakistan as the biggest impediment to peace in Afghanistan. I see very little hope in Pakistan - US relations.
 
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