How to Save U.S.-Pakistan Relations from the Brink of Disaster

[farooqzed]

We need a bit diplomacy here, when our politicians are beating drums against India's NSG entry while america is supporting them. Yes we should oppose India's entry but should play by rules not by anger. Atleast it should look like this.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

i feel pity for you hindus since you can't do a jack about Pakistan you are now expecting your new daddies to fight us for you,No wonder why your nation was always slave of foreigners forever

As for your dig at my religion, A class reply from a muslim who's ancestors were converted by the invaders long back in history. Dont believe me, read history from any books other than those published by Pakistani education board , they are quite infamous for distraughting history.

Yeah, We cant do jack about Pakistan except for Splitting your country into two. Dont believe me, look at the picture below:

Want more:
Siachen

As for the daddy comment, which side fought with American weapons in previous wars we all know clearly.

 

[dadeechi]

The US treated us the same as everyone else, they looked the other way. Actually, they did try to discourage us by placing sanctions.

The US has always been trying to hold back our nuclear aspirations, not encourage them.

US never imposed sanctions to prevent Pakistan in obtaining nuclear weapons. Pakistan started its nuclear weapons project in 1972 and succeeded in 1984. There were never any US sanctions during that period.

 

[Hamza913]

US never imposed sanctions to prevent Pakistan in obtaining nuclear weapons. Pakistan started its nuclear weapons project in 1972 and succeeded in 1984. There were never any US sanctions during that period.

It did afterwards.

As for your dig at my religion, A class reply from a muslim who's ancestors were converted by the invaders long back in history. Dont believe me, read history from any books other than those published by Pakistani education board , they are quite infamous for distraughting history.

Yeah, We cant do jack about Pakistan except for Splitting your country into two. Dont believe me, look at the picture below:

Want more:
Siachen

As for the daddy comment, which side fought with American weapons in previous wars we all know clearly.

It's impossible to forcibly convert hundreds of millions of people, the majority of us clearly converted out of our own free will, the truth might sting but most of our ancestors embraced Islam because they liked it.

FFS I'm getting sick and tired of Indians riding on the success of 1971. You suffered higher casualties, and did not break us in two. You helped a tiny piece of us gain independence, that's incredibly different. It wasn't in 2 weeks either, Bangladesh had been fighting us for 8 months prior your involvement, India only came in near the end.

As for the Siachen, yes well done you have crippled Pakistan by taking that Glacier. We must all bow down to your great strength and cannot sleep at night knowing you took most of the Siachen. Our lives have been over ever since that day, please forgive us.

It's high time you guys stopped exaggerating and living off past victories.

 

[dadeechi]

It did afterwards.

That's just a lip service. Had US implemented full blown economic sanctions, Pakistan would have crumbled with in few months.

US invaded Iraq even as Saddam begged and agreed to every proposal for inspections.

US could have easily invaded Pakistan after 9/11 but gave Pakistan a pass.

After all this support from US, all Pakistan did in return was to back stab US.

 

[Hamza913]

That's just a lip service. Had US implemented full blown economic sanctions, Pakistan would have crumbled with in few months.

US invaded Iraq even as Saddam begged and agreed to every proposal for inspections.

US could have easily invaded Pakistan after 9/11 but gave Pakistan a pass.

After all this support from US, all Pakistan did in return was to back stab US.

The US didn't invade Pakistan after 9/11 because we have nukes, and we are a much bigger and more powerful country than Afghanistan or Iraq. Afghanistan and Iraq have about 30 million people each, look how much trouble they have given NATO. We have 180 million people and nukes, imagine how much trouble we would give NATO.

 

[dadeechi]

The US didn't invade Pakistan after 9/11 because we have nukes, and we are a much bigger and more powerful country than Afghanistan or Iraq. Afghanistan and Iraq have about 30 million people each, look how much trouble they have given NATO. We have 180 million people and nukes, imagine how much trouble we would give NATO.

If you think US did not invade Pakistan after 9/11 because Pakistan had nukes.. I would only say let there be more people like you in Pakistan.

 

[kashmeri]

If america plans to attack Pakistan, I think India will be 1st country to oppose this idea. Because they know If Pakistan came on back foot in conventional war, it will must use nuclear weapons against India whether war was against america

 

[The_Sidewinder]

It did afterwards.

It's impossible to forcibly convert hundreds of millions of people, the majority of us clearly converted out of our own free will, the truth might sting but most of our ancestors embraced Islam because they liked it.

We can spare this debate. You or I was not present to confirm either of the theories. Any ways, dig was aimed at that hypocrite, not you.

FFS I'm getting sick and tired of Indians riding on the success of 1971. You suffered higher casualties, and did not break us in two. You helped a tiny piece of us gain independence, that's incredibly different. It wasn't in 2 weeks either, Bangladesh had been fighting us for 8 months prior your involvement, India only came in near the end.

yeah, we didnt broke pakistan into two. East Pakistan was not freed. Since when casuality of 2500 on Indian side is lower than Pakistani casuality of 9000 killed 25000 injured. Not to mention 90,000 POWs. Spare me the bias, if Indian forces were not involved, war wouldnt have gotten oven soon.

As for the Siachen, yes well done you have crippled Pakistan by taking that Glacier. We must all bow down to your great strength and cannot sleep at night knowing you took most of the Siachen. Our lives have been over ever since that day, please forgive us.

India just countered Pakistani plans, were one step ahead all the time, beaten back all Pakistani attempt to recapture Siachen. So we are proud of our forces.

It's high time you guys stopped exaggerating and living off past victories.

India is in far advantageous position now then when we fought you guys previously. Its high time, you stop downplaying Indian victories & living of distraughted history fed to you. Your leaders always aspired to capture Kashmir from Indian graps, tried to instigate rebelion in Kashmir in 1965 but India did better and broken Pakistan into two in 1971.

My advice, learn lessons from history, move on. Learn from Your two eastern neighbours, and focus on the path of development.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

As f,or your dig at my religion, A class reply from a muslim who's ancestors were converted by the invaders long back in history. Dont believe me, read history from any books other than those published by Pakistani education board , they are quite infamous for distraughting history.

1000 years were more than enough to make sure no more hindus exists on face of earth,mostly converted becuase they were tired of their higher caste hindus he thinks they are God in face of human,and lower csates are dogs and other animals

Yeah, We cant do jack about Pakistan except for Splitting your country into two. Dont believe me, look at the picture below:

the only victory in last 1000 years that too with the help of Bengali Muslims
otherwise from Muhammad bin Qasim to till today we have just shown your @55es,last time i checked after alot of blabbering and chest thumping to teach Pakistan a lesson and Do "baharat ke 10 Kadam Pakistan ho jaiga Khatam"
your govt couldn't do a shit

As for the daddy comment, which side fought with American weapons in previous wars we all know clearly

fighting with their weapon and calling them father are two different things we are dealing Murikans since 50s but we were never culturally subservient to them
while in india

My advice, learn lessons from history, move on. Learn from Your two eastern neighbours, and focus on the path of developmen

Learn from eastern neighbors

 

[LeGenD]

But the problem is other folks are outsmarting and out maneuvering them, and they don't know how to counter them. Most probably the USA can't keep its tempo and needs to readjust much more than others. The sooner they do it the better. Days of global policing may come to a sharp end. The common folks see a bleak future be it medical or educational expenses, or prospects of higher wages. In some places the Chineses are setting the real estate prices. Already it's a 20t loan and it'll only go high...

I am not sure about that.

The US:

1. Checkmated the monopoly of OPEC recently. Assault on Iraq and Libya and focus on domestic oil production were all steps towards this end.
2. Is moving towards energy self-sufficiency with focus on domestic oil and shale gas production, and promotion of electric automobiles. In a span of 20 years, this shift will be almost complete.
3. Took advantage of unrest in Syria and checkmated Russian designs there. For now.
4. Is looking for ways to reduce its dependence on China for economic matters. India is perceived as a viable alternative for this purpose.
5. China-containment initiative in effect via renewed terms of engagement with India and Vietnam. Signals are positive for the US so far.
6. Stopped Iran from going nuclear.
7. Friendly regime in Afghanistan.

Contrary to the popular belief in some circles, US is doing very well in the geopolitical arena.

Anti-American sentiments - within some states - are toothless affairs and largely restricted to discussions only. They do not translate to real-time impact anywhere. Americans understand a fact - control over the governments across the world. That is what matters in the end. The art of imperialism.

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Mahmoud Ahmedinejad used to shout against the US day and night. But what happened in the end? A compromise was reached with the US on nuclear front. And Ahmedinejad left the office with dignity.

Now, Tayyip Erdogan is shouting against the US day and night. This is also a political stunt to look strong and give the impression that Turkey has an independent foreign policy. In reality, Erdogan wants to consolidate his power in the country. Nothing else will change.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

1000 years were more than enough to make sure no more hindus exists on face of earth,mostly converted becuase they were tired of their higher caste hindus he thinks they are God in face of human,and lower csates are dogs and other animals

Fact of the matter is even Westerners adore Indian Hindu culture with open arms. Hindusm being oldest surviving religion in human history. Even after 1000 years of supression from Muslim rulers, the spread is only increasing. I wont blow the trumpet of our contribution to human history.
Caste problem is only relavent in couple of states of northern India. Others dont give two hooth about which caste you belong.

the only victory in last 1000 years that too with the help of Bengali Muslims

Fellow bengali muslims of yours who were being raped & murdered by their western Muslim brothers just because they spoke a different language. Does your religion taught you that?

otherwise from Muhammad bin Qasim to till today we have just shown your @55es,last time i checked after alot of blabbering and chest thumping to teach Pakistan a lesson and Do "baharat ke 10 Kadam Pakistan ho jaiga Khatam"
your govt couldn't do a shit

We dont need to invade a worthless country. With people like you who are taught in Madrassas that 1 Muslim=100hindus etc has brought your country to todays condition. Keep killong each other in the name of religion.

fighting with their weapon and calling them father are two different things we are dealing Murikans since 50s but we were never culturally subservient to them
while in india
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You mean above picture where a typical nonsense Hindu organisation praying for Donald Trump to become President of USA makes us culturally subservient to USA than what are going to call US President Barak Obama who always carries a Ganesh Murti with him? Americans being culturally subservient to Hindu's. Bravo.

Says a guy who himself is keeping Donald Trump as DP.

Learn from eastern neighbors
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That means you still take a dump in the open or what. Using toilet a good habbit kid. Atleast fellow in the picture has learned that lesson. In India, under swach Bharat mission, scientific toilets has been made for each & every poor in the country. Result of a good economy.

 

[LeGenD]

Pakistan has tried, the US puts restraints and tries to postpone. Did you see the trouble we went through trying to get block 52? We can't even get an older version without some trouble! It's annoying.

We ended up being the only Muslim country with nukes because we worked for them and are powerful enough without nukes to bite back against anyone who tries to stop us.

The American senate set a condition that Pakistan will have to pay full price of any weapon it purchases from the US. No more concessions.

We ended up being the only Muslim country with nukes because we worked for them and are powerful enough without nukes to bite back against anyone who tries to stop us.

That was not the case, my friend.

A member here got it right. US looked the other way.

@The_Sidewinder

Do not turn this thread into another pointless Pakistan versus India debate. This thread is about Pak-US relations only. Thank you.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

@The_Sidewinder

Do not turn this thread into another pointless Pakistan versus India debate. This thread is about Pak-US relations only. Thank you.

Just answering a troll who took a dig at my religion. I am not interested in commenting in a post other than Indian Defence Sector otherwise.

 

[AshishDelhi]

i feel pity for you hindus since you can't do a jack about Pakistan you are now expecting your new daddies to fight us for you,No wonder why your nation was always slave of foreigners forever

All this time you did dirty work for US in Afghanistan, allowed them to use Pakistani bases for attacking USSR, NA, TTP, Taliban. Allowed them to bomb Pakistanis, mistakenly PA personnel too. And then you claim that they are our daddy. Wake up and see the reality.
USA didn't change its policies, just that you are of no use to them and are discarded by them. Your relationship was not of father son but of a....you did dirty work, were pounded and not useful now. That is why you are not getting any money for using your base or free planes.
That's why you are asking China for alms in return of using Pakistani port, bases, roads.