You exactly know what i am up to, so let's cut the chase.
Exactly cut the stupid exaggerations and talk on topic. will do world of good to both of us...
Fine let c how you are going to correct me....
Man i never knew india, the mighty india, the having-superiority-in-every-field-of-defence-india can hold us from our balls and can make us do whatever it wants whenever it wants. Man, india can crush us with its air superiority, with its superior strategies and shinier weaponry darn they can do it with 9%-growing-every-year economy. Alas, they are just waiting for the ABM, and then they are all done, right?
Is this how you correct someone by saying you are not clear. Xeric make up your mind. Either correct me or cut the crap...
Is that what you wanted to say, because that's the only thing i can make out of your above quoted post.
No this is not what i want to say. If you are not clear then why don't you ask??? Why all that BS above??? As said i am just proving my point how our cold start will put lot of strain on your coffers. What i am trying to say is that offensive doctornies like Cold Start forces you to match your adversary all the time. My example was that there was time when IAF had decisive edge over their PAF counterparts in BVR department. This was one thing that really bited Pak during Kargil and we all know about it...With doctorines like CSD one cannot relax and think "well there cannot be full-fledge war" so lets modernize in contrast with economy.
i wonder if india is indeed so strong and hefty in all spheres, what's stopping you from getting Kashmir back, stopping 'terrorists' from crossing over and taking over remainder of Siachen. i dont understand though, why would india need Obama's mouth to say Pakistan 'needs to control it's terrorist heavens'?
Let's get something very clear...and i will not repeat it again(since have done many times)...All i am talking about is how CSD will put a big hole in your economy. Don't make my post a d!ck measuring competiton.
Regarding all the rant above then being a think tank you should have known that India is happy with status quo because it favors us. We control the heights and your lifeline(water). That is why you will find even an average Indian ready to convert LOC into borders. B/w since you are not able to take rest of the kashmir from us can i infer that Pak is nothing against India??? What kind of stupid argument is that???
Also i dont know if MKIs and BVRs would solve the dud grenade problem of yours or if it would help decrease the night blindness of your Army.
Now you are behaving really naive. If you believe all that then i cannot help. In fact being an adversary i will love you to belive it....
And who are you trying to fool, boy?
You might not know but "boy" is racist remark. Anyways i don't want to indulge in all this nonsense. I am not trying to fool anyone. All i am saying is that you had to increase 25-30% of your defence budget and this increase in unprecedented especially when economy is down the drain...This by no mean is gradual increase the way you are trying to portray it......
What exactly did we buy from the 25-30% hike in the budget? Even if we bought something what bearing exactly does that equipment have on your CSD? Who the fcuk are you trying to fool, while we fight a full fledged war in our West and increased more defence budget?!
You are telling me that you have increased your defence budget by 30% to fight with TTP???? OK i believe you..lets cut the crap now....
^^ There's a fcuk lotta difference between 'thinking' 50 years ahead and taking steps that would give realization to your 50-years-ahead thinking.
Are you fine??? I am talking about the next 5 - 10(hyphen means "to" i.e 5 to 10 years). Not sure why you are harping on 50 years again and again. And this is just an example to tell you how cold start is going to be a headache... All the big tickets items i have talked about are not wet dreams.... All of them are reality...work is in progress... This is how defense mechanism work for every country. You consider the current threats and possible future threats. Not sure what is putting you off....
india is making 155 its standard calibre, india is going100% mechanized soon, india is going to the biggest plane buyer in the world, man you would be welcome to BS me when india would actually do something to this effect and i have told this thing a 100 times to you guys. If that be the case then on the revelation of every modernization plan that country had nothing else to do other then sitting around watching the enemy die its own death! But then there's something know as being realistic and considering things that are tangible!
OK man so we are not modernizing at all...If you cannot see any tangible acquisations and the planned one's then i cannot help.
May be Op Prakaram and 2009 wanabe stand of was just a love bite.
Oh man th eproblem is you in your self-righteous attitude don't want to listen to anything....Op Parakaram exposed our slow mobilzation and that is what gave birth to CSD....Unlike Pak our establishment understands that knee jerk reactions are not work of mature countries..... War in whatever form should only be the last option.....We have given diplomacy a chance this time and may be in your false ego you are not able to see the damage that we have done to you but fact will not change...Also we have made it ample clear that any more such attack will mean war...now what part is not clear to you???
i have already told the ways and means that you people would use to present yourselves as an angle.
no comments..Keep living with your illusions...
Oh shyt, now it seems i am talking to some kid off the block.
Trust me the way you are responding it looks like the other way....
i was referring to the sanctions post the A bomb explosions.
What the heck you mean by that the sanctions did not impact us? It did hurt us, we did suffer and we had problems, but that's not the issue. The issue is that we are still standing. Our F-16 still flew when the sanctions were imposed on spares and we still pull up Kargil.
We are having a bad time, BTW when was the last time we had a guud time?
When 2005 earthquake struck people said we'll just collapse. We halted the new GHQ construction, isnt it still underway now?
We faced dire power shortage, we have poor economy but arent we still committed on the Western border? Had things been so bad we must have packed our bags and came back to the barracks.
The war in the West, the CSD on the East and then the floods in the middle...mercy God mercy..!! But see, we still give you nightmares as evident from your leaders behavior during Obama's visit.
In short what i meant to say was that we survived and we still are surviving. We have seen the worst!
Oh my god....do you even read what i am saying??? All i am saying is that sanctions/arms race or whatever is going to impact you. We being a bigger economy can afford it. A negative impact on an economy slows down your momentum and will not allow you to be an independent nation.....I not even once said that Pakistan will fall like peck of cards. Anyways you will not understand or may be you don't want to....
We'll see to that.
Like i said first you have to fulfill the two requirements that i wrote before another terrorist dares to attack india
Again ignoring meaningless comments...
It did hurt us, whois denying that. But as you probably are trying to portray that a hike in defence budget would (allegedly in response to CSD) would shatter Pakistan. No Sire, we would eat grass and still fund the military. Dont believe in what our uber-elites have to say on some blogs. We are sacrificing guud living standards since our inception and we still dont mind carry on like that. If you think otherwise you are quite mistaken.
Finally something to agree upon. Yes this is what i have been trying to portray. This is what is called pakistan being shattered. When you expect your netizens to eat grass but fund the military you are putting yourself in a conflict which is not sustainable....Things are changing. India is not a nation of License Raj of 90's anymore. 9% growth soon going to be double digit is no joke....B/W Please learn your own history....Pakistan was churning out better GDP growth than India in early years of her independence....It is sanctions and your love for Jihaad that did you...anyhow i am not trying to belittle pakistan here however this is one conflict that you cannot win, period. If last 63 years of struggle and yet no success cannot wake you then what can i do.....
Duh..??What's the point exactly?
Point is that our nuclear explosion was not against Pakistan....It was against China...It it was to bully Pakistan then we had our first explosion way back in 74.
If nuisances would commit majority of the armed forces both during peace and war (as it had and would in future), we would love to keep that status
BTW, that was such a U turn, sir.
Xeric, as said we are fine with Status quo. Just look at our history and tell me any incident when we tried to change the status quo. And no you don'w want to keep the same status, you want to change the status. As said before we can afford it, so yes Pakistan is nothing but a nuisance for us. Also i would appreciate if you can suggest how exactly what was a U turn...
Like i always say, CSD has is spread over us like a cancer, and we wont survive it the next instance. Happy?
No, i never said that...Connect with my earlier comment on Paper Plan vs its execution. 65, kargil all were very good plan's on paper, however there execution did not go well.....CSD will succeed or not only time will tell, however it is definitely causing lot of discomfort across the border...
Please make up you mind first. What's exactly your stance:
1-There's no CSD, it never existed.
or
2-CSD would be Pakistan's end if another attack happens.
or
3-CSD is a 'brilliant' psyops shyt against Pakistan.
or
4-Or you are just another confused soul mixing it up all over and shifting the poles as it suits the discussion?
Hello...start reading the post before making these imaginary accusations...How many times i have to say that official version is we deny CSD but all the recent acquisitions and planned one's suggests that it is very much a doctorine. As far as my personal stand i have clearly said that official denial was only diplomacy...It is very much there and work is going on...
Man, i are you nuts or what?
Keep harping such things...This just shows the maturity of a think tank...
Since when Pakistan had anything more than india?
Show me where did i claim that??? Any comprehensive problems??? What i am saying is that we always had a numerical superiority over you and now quanlitative edge is also coming into play...Quantity and Quality is going to be a big headache especially with WOT and economy in bad shape...CSD pressure also going to make matter's worse...Now will Pak be able to cope with it, only time will tell...My point for the 100th time, CSD will put lot of strain on your budget...
Nor do i remember Pakistan spending a lower share of GDP over defence, so then what's fuss about? We as a Nation are burdened by the defence expenditures, but that's not our worry; the question is, is the Nation willing to allow more expenditure on defence even at crucial times? If yes, then you people are screwed!
Please explain how are we screwed??? The problem is you don't want to say the obvious...And no with so much dependency on WB you cannot increase defence budget.....You will end up defaulting if they pull out...
Lolz...india has been leaning towards this status since the day i learned to read, and you have portrayed as if its something new out of the box. Listen Mr, till the time we are holding the US from its balls, you aint getting a tosh. think mr not-a-think-tank!
That is the problem...you guys are convinced that you are holding US from balls whereas there are bomb explosion everywhere in pak...anyhow we have nothing to do with it...this is someting between Pak and US.... If you still have not realized the long term strategic relations between India and US then you better should stop calling yourself think tank...
The US is up for pleasing you but it wont do take a such that would cause sudden and dire imbalance in the region. Making a step child out of three nuclear powers in the region is as stupid as it can get.
What imbalance??? Are you assuming here??? Where was this imbalance worries when you were under sanctions??? They did it after 65 when we were getting armed by Russia and they did not bother. They did the same in 90's and PAF lost almost a decade. Where was the thought of imbalance when they signed nuclear deal with us and ignore repeated request by Pak??? where was this thought of imbalance when Obama openly endorsed our long term quest for UN permanent member??? Are all this figment of my imagination or you are deliberately ignoring them??? Look we have hard core cash. Both India and US are moving towards long term strategic relations..The conditions are very much there and things are moving at a rapid pace...If one chose to ignore writing on the wall then i am sorry, cannot help.....Please don't put too much hope on this impabalance thingi....You have paid in the past and there is high probablity you will end up paying even more dearly....
i wish i see some action against you people before i shed away the khaki! It's been quite a while since i moved back from the LoC.
Sorry i will always pray that time don't come...However you can always join the jihadi pigs and try your hands....
No doubts that you have displayed more restraint then Pakistan in dealing with the yanks, but then they know who to keep you tied up.
And what exactly is that??? You very well know that we never had great relations with Yanks. Today we have good realtions with them but in no way we are dependent on them. So yes you do budge against pressure from super-Power but to an extent....Think about it- lets say India do a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. Do you think Pakistan will budge against US pressure and will not retaliate??? Now if you with so much dependency on them will not stop then what made you think India will??? And it is you who is saying that we handle them well as compared with Pak, right???
We'll see if you people can do a single thing other than fiery speeches, absurd and aggressive statements and virtual threats till the time the US is stuck in Afg and i;ll again say, it doesnt require a brain to figure this out.
Actually it do...Point is are you willing to apply it??? In democracies there are limits to which you can do certain things. The way Pakistan blocked NATO supplies when 3 of your army personnels got killed the same way another mumbai and New Delhi will be compelled to react...Have no confusion about it...
Imagine, you people fingering us one more time and we moving our entire forces towards East and the WoT goes for a six. How not so charming. i am sure those high ups of yours sure have a brain to make use of.
Already explained...Onus is on you not to let that happen....
Like i said, there aint happening a 'terrorist' attack in india till the time the US is dependent upon our support.
This is how you think and i have no problems. I know this that another terror attack on India and your desire to meet us before you shed away Khakhi will come true...