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Killing India’s hidden ‘Cold Start’ strategy

Well plans are made and adjusted to possible pros and cons. Thereafter execution of plan is done. If we go by history then India do have very good record as far as execution of the plan is concerened as compared with her Pakistani counterparts.

We planned 71 and results are in front of us. We planned Siachen and results are in front of us. However if we look at Pakistani record then 65 was unsuccessful and kargil was biggest blunder. However both the plans on paper were superb. Do you agree with that i have said????

It is always guud to see someone so deeply engulfed by self-pleasure.

Here you people missed a few other pleasures, allow me to help:

- Pakistan failed to liberate Kashmir in '47. See how well we planned a the defence.

- Pakistan was brought on knees in 2001 when it was forced to deploy its entire military along the IB, hell yeah we managed to break Pakistan' back by hurting her economically (though we dont want to tell anyone that the actual aim was to 'punish' Pakistan by declaring war onto it, but then we forgot that Pakistan could move earlier to battle locations :lol:)

- We took 'our' land 'back' from Pakistan. We aggressed and occupied Siachen (though i dont know how can one take something 'back' from itself - Siachen was indian territory, right?)

- We made Pakistan shyt bricks by playing a few clips and B-Rolls. Our media (and leaders) didnt an excellent job as it war-mongered while our forces had 'hearty laughs' back at homes (Man, why do india need armed forces if others in india can do the job instead, just wondering?)

- We did some perfect psyops job by leaving a shosha (i hope you understand the word) of CSD. Pakistan is near economical collapse (as it cant make up the defencive imbalance as it lacks the acquisitions), Pakistan is so worried about the CSD that it had already made up plans for countering it (though we the indians still cannot figure out among ourselves whether the CSD actually exists/is workable or not - just see the trend on this thread), Pakistan will not use nukes/would not/cannot/is not able to respond to CS if another terrorists attack take place on indian soil (as if india is our mama's puttar).

Enough or need more masala?
 
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Bangladesh is very very helpful to us, it provides us - a very porous border that allows us access to the indian heartland, and regarding the breakup it was painful at the time, but in the long run it has worked to our advantage, it was hard to defend, and not having an eastern wing with a thousand miles of enemy country in between, has allowed us to do many things.

That baby has grown up to a be a troublesome teenager to india :)
 
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india is unlucky because of a circumstance of history two global super powers, one rising, and the other on the decline, are basically pumping billions into your adversary.

And you are subsidising our weapon purchases, all you buy from the US is then given to us free. And China is matching US military assistance dollar for dollar.

Thanks to the PRC and the USA.

Keep day dreaming..your so called ally's former Pres just revealed in his new book that he was planning an invasion.

And regarding PRC, they are our biggest asian trading partner...no need of worry about it.

And about 'super powership' Man always tend not to see whats happening near him.
 
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Bangladesh is very very helpful to us, it provides us - a very porous border that allows us access to the indian heartland, and regarding the breakup it was painful at the time, but in the long run it has worked to our advantage, it was hard to defend, and not having an eastern wing with a thousand miles of enemy country in between, has allowed us to do many things.

That baby has grown up to a be a troublesome teenager to india :)

Update yourself, they are partnering with us for so many projects. They are throwing out the terrorists now.

They started living in 2010, but u still in 1971..
 
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The better decision you can make from us, how we deal with China.

We both understand that we have border disputes, we set aside our differences and engage in trade.

You can try this too, if China can do it, Bangladesh can do it y u cant? else live in old 20th century.
 
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Keep day dreaming..your so called ally's former Pres just revealed in his new book that he was planning an invasion.

And regarding PRC, they are our biggest asian trading partner...no need of worry about it.

And about 'super powership' Man always tend not to see whats happening near him.

That same guy gave us billions of dollars worth of military assistance, that allowed us to modernise our Armed Forces, we have AWACS, BVR, SPA, and many other things. He also allowed our Pu programme to mature with no threat of sanctions etc.....:pakistan::usflag:
 
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Update yourself, they are partnering with us for so many projects. They are throwing out the terrorists now.

They started living in 2010, but u still in 1971..

Their armed forces and intel agencies have not received the memo. LOL :bunny::pakistan:
 
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That same guy gave us billions of dollars worth of military assistance, that allowed us to modernise our Armed Forces, we have AWACS, BVR, SPA, and many other things. He also allowed our Pu programme to mature with no threat of sanctions etc.....:pakistan::usflag:

If you wirte more like this, you will be labeled as CIA agent by ur fellow ppl, beware..

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Their armed forces and intel agencies have not received the memo. LOL :bunny::pakistan:

Yes they do get the same and are planning an joint excercise with IA:victory:
 
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The better decision you can make from us, how we deal with China.

We both understand that we have border disputes, we set aside our differences and engage in trade.

You can try this too, if China can do it, Bangladesh can do it y u cant? else live in old 20th century.

Yeah, they refuse to give proper visas to people of IOK, they also are surrounding your country with what you people called "pearls" = giving india a "pearl necklace" if you get the inference.

All that aid with the US and PRC has enabled them to help modernise our Armed Forces, in fact the US is giving us new equipment that will allow much more espionage against india, we have the equipment know to monitor indian comms, including phone, SMS email :china::usflag: and process that with Computers.:china::usflag:
 
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If you wirte more like this, you will be labeled as CIA agent by ur fellow ppl, beware..

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Yes they do get the same and are planning an joint excercise with IA:victory:

So what, we train their officers, and they give us total access to you.
And we will get first hand info about your tactics :):pakistan:

Who would have thought these two global powers interests would converge like that :) :)
 
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It is always guud to see someone so deeply engulfed by self-pleasure.
Same applies on you, no????

Here you people missed a few other pleasures, allow me to help:
Better you discuss on the topic or let me know and we can stop the exchange of opinion, no??? No need to read things out of context just to pamper your false ego. The message is clear - which is if we go by history then Indian have been able to execute their plans much better then pakistani counterparts however that do not guarantee this will be repeated again. Now i would appreciate if Mr, think tank can point out the flaw in my assertion....

- Pakistan failed to liberate Kashmir in '47. See how well we planned a the defence.
Liberate is a wrong word here. pakistan attacked Kashmir in 47 and yes Indian forces did move in and halted their move. This is nothing but fact no matter whatever you want to name it....And no i do not enjoy in taking pleasures from Past becase they are past. What i am interested is in present and future...Better you also start looking at it...

- Pakistan was brought on knees in 2001 when it was forced to deploy its entire military along the IB, hell yeah we managed to break Pakistan' back by hurting her economically (though we dont want to tell anyone that the actual aim was to 'punish' Pakistan by declaring war onto it, but then we forgot that Pakistan could move earlier to battle locations :lol:)
I never said that we brought Pak to its knees, though Musharraf did said that Pakistani soil will not be allowed to be used by terrorist against India. Anyways our i don't see any indian said that stand off was a success for India. It is our failure to mobilize quickly that gave birth to Cold Start. See we are not sensitive to our mistakes. We acknowledge them and improve upon them....

- We took 'our' land 'back' from Pakistan. We aggressed and occupied Siachen (though i dont know how can one take something 'back' from itself - Siachen was indian territory, right?)

Not sure then why pak attacked her own land(as Kashmir is claimed by them). B/W we never occupied Siachen and yes it was always ours. All we did was to ensure enemy gets a bloody nose if it tries to take our territory and as far as i know we were succesful, no???


- We made Pakistan shyt bricks by playing a few clips and B-Rolls. Our media (and leaders) didnt an excellent job as it war-mongered while our forces had 'hearty laughs' back at homes (Man, why do india need armed forces if others in india can do the job instead, just wondering?)
It will take some time for Pakistani's to understand that war's are fought on diplomatic front first before going to actual war field. You just don't do a kargil and then go for diplomacy to cover the sins...


- We did some perfect psyops job by leaving a shosha (i hope you understand the word) of CSD. Pakistan is near economical collapse (as it cant make up the defencive imbalance as it lacks the acquisitions), Pakistan is so worried about the CSD that it had already made up plans for countering it (though we the indians still cannot figure out among ourselves whether the CSD actually exists/is workable or not - just see the trend on this thread), Pakistan will not use nukes/would not/cannot/is not able to respond to CS if another terrorists attack take place on indian soil (as if india is our mama's puttar).
Not sure what you wanted to convey but one thing is for sure that people here do consider nukes as "ladoos"...B/W official stand is clear there is no CSD. You want to believe the official version then awesome...


Enough or need more masala?
I don't think i enjoyed the off-topic discussion, so next time if you can don't post things out of context...
 
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US has provided billions from Pentagon slush funds, and allowed us to provide thousands of things, that don't get the headlines.

For example tens of thousands of bullet proof helmets and jackets, thousands of night vision devices, enabling our forces to fully operate at night. hundreds of SPA and APC making our Strike Corps, fully mechanised, with india you still have these vital formation with infantry in trucks.

China has helped us set up a MLRS plant with transfer of technology, that have range of well over 100km which will allow us to target you effectively.

The modernization is taking place at a frightening pace, that's why the indian defence and diplomatic people are concerned. :)
 
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Once the Pu based thermo nuclear weapons and city killers come on line, with a viable design, it will be impossible for india to contemplate a nuclear exchange, it will involve india being removed from the map, a MAD scenario. It is a terrible thing to say, but it is the world we live in.
 
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but what's the point...Either you are just frustrated and want to get it out on internet or you genuinely want to enter into a meaningful debate. I cannot think of another reason to get into a page long post. Since you consider whatever i have written as bable then what it makes you???
You exactly know what i am up to, so let's cut the chase.


Please read the post again. In your haste to hit the reply button you have missed some key points... We inducted MKI's way back in late 90's...may i know what counter you fielded??? Even our Mig21-Bisons were BVR capable when your top-notch knew nothing about BVR fight. In short with CSD in the background one cannot slip in matching the adversary if parity needs to be maintained irrespective of the economic conditions. Am i clear????
No you are not clear.

Man i never knew india, the mighty india, the having-superiority-in-every-field-of-defence-india can hold us from our balls and can make us do whatever it wants whenever it wants. Man, india can crush us with its air superiority, with its superior strategies and shinier weaponry darn they can do it with 9%-growing-every-year economy. Alas, they are just waiting for the ABM, and then they are all done, right?

Is that what you wanted to say, because that's the only thing i can make out of your above quoted post.

i wonder if india is indeed so strong and hefty in all spheres, what's stopping you from getting Kashmir back, stopping 'terrorists' from crossing over and taking over remainder of Siachen. i dont understand though, why would india need Obama's mouth to say Pakistan 'needs to control it's terrorist heavens'?

Also i dont know if MKIs and BVRs would solve the dud grenade problem of yours or if it would help decrease the night blindness of your Army.

When was the last time you increase your defence budget even when your country was in such a shabby economic condition??? Are you saying increase of almost 25-30% is steady increase??? Whom are you trying to fool xeric????
And who are you trying to fool, boy?

What exactly did we buy from the 25-30% hike in the budget? Even if we bought something what bearing exactly does that equipment have on your CSD? Who the fcuk are you trying to fool, while we fight a full fledged war in our West and increased more defence budget?!


I see you are a Think Tank....Are you thinking about only present??? Don't you think it is flawed???? I am not talking about 50 years from now...I am talking about next 5-10 years. This is very valid period from defense perspective. The big ticket items that i am talking about are not dreams. They are facts and work is in progress. You will have to start countering them now. If you think in 5 years Pakistan would become super-duper economy then i am sorry, such wishful thinking have no takers in real world...Yes such words look great in a forum....but you being a think tank and pretty offensive in your replies you should be a little careful about them. There is no point in mis-leading people...
^^ There's a fcuk lotta difference between 'thinking' 50 years ahead and taking steps that would give realization to your 50-years-ahead thinking.

india is making 155 its standard calibre, india is going100% mechanized soon, india is going to the biggest plane buyer in the world, man you would be welcome to BS me when india would actually do something to this effect and i have told this thing a 100 times to you guys. If that be the case then on the revelation of every modernization plan that country had nothing else to do other then sitting around watching the enemy die its own death! But then there's something know as being realistic and considering things that are tangible!

Ohhh comon Xeric. Don't talk nonsense here. what the hell you mean by surviving sanctions??? Who said India will eat Pakistan???
May be Op Prakaram and 2009 wanabe stand of was just a love bite.

i have already told the ways and means that you people would use to present yourselves as an angle.

Of course us being a bigger economy have more might to limit the impact of sanctions. You being a smaller economy will face the brunt of sanctions much more than us. Are you saying that sanctions did not impact Pak at all???? Are you going to be that naive????
Oh shyt, now it seems i am talking to some kid off the block.

i was referring to the sanctions post the A bomb explosions.

What the heck you mean by that the sanctions did not impact us? It did hurt us, we did suffer and we had problems, but that's not the issue. The issue is that we are still standing. Our F-16 still flew when the sanctions were imposed on spares and we still pull up Kargil.

We are having a bad time, BTW when was the last time we had a guud time?

When 2005 earthquake struck people said we'll just collapse. We halted the new GHQ construction, isnt it still underway now?

We faced dire power shortage, we have poor economy but arent we still committed on the Western border? Had things been so bad we must have packed our bags and came back to the barracks.

The war in the West, the CSD on the East and then the floods in the middle...mercy God mercy..!! But see, we still give you nightmares as evident from your leaders behavior during Obama's visit.


In short what i meant to say was that we survived and we still are surviving. We have seen the worst!

Exactly my point....In short with thriving economy and new geo-political might complemented with India's offensive doctorine like CSD you will have to do all that even more. As said you don't have luxury of time. Any mumbai like attack and no US can stop an Indian onslaught. This is reality. If you wanna ignore it be my guest
We'll see to that.

Like i said first you have to fulfill the two requirements that i wrote before another terrorist dares to attack india ;)

Then stop reading BS. because you are not talking like a think tank here. What was the total expenditure for full-fledge deployment for Pakistan??? What was your GDP at that time??? Weren't you under sanctions at that time??? So in short it hurt you more than us....Are you denying that???? Nobody said that it will kill Pakistan, people just said it is going to hurt them more than us, which is reality....

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It did hurt us, whois denying that. But as you probably are trying to portray that a hike in defence budget would (allegedly in response to CSD) would shatter Pakistan. No Sire, we would eat grass and still fund the military. Dont believe in what our uber-elites have to say on some blogs. We are sacrificing guud living standards since our inception and we still dont mind carry on like that. If you think otherwise you are quite mistaken.


Another BS. Are you saying Indians were not aware that you had a bomb???? B/W why 1999??? We had our first explosion in 1974 when you knew nothing about abc of nuclear bomb. So please keep such imaginary nonsense to yourself...
Duh..??

What's the point exactly?


Time has changed and every thing changes. Those who don't want to believe this end up being surprised. The reality is we are fine with status quo. Pakistan is just a nuisance to us and that's all. We are improving as we speak. One that was applicable 2 decades back is not applicable now...Please do a reality check.
If nuisances would commit majority of the armed forces both during peace and war (as it had and would in future), we would love to keep that status :)

BTW, that was such a U turn, sir.

Look i am not interested in games. I am just telling you that how CSD is going to dent your coffers. CSD, limited and two front wars are reality of South Asia. Anything above them is complete destruction....So these concepts are very real. Now are you capable to match the new threats i will leave it for you to decide. As far as i am concerned i am working hard so teach enemy a good lesson in case they comit something grave....
Like i always say, CSD has is spread over us like a cancer, and we wont survive it the next instance. Happy?

Please make up you mind first. What's exactly your stance:

1-There's no CSD, it never existed.

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2-CSD would be Pakistan's end if another attack happens.

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3-CSD is a 'brilliant' psyops shyt against Pakistan.

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4-Or you are just another confused soul mixing it up all over and shifting the poles as it suits the discussion?


It is absurd that you are totally ignoring the numerical superiority that we always enjoyed over you. It is absurd that you are ignoring 126 top-notch fighters as few MRCA's and other big ticket items. Moreover it is highly absurd that you are rejecting that all this will put a big hole in your budget.
Man, i are you nuts or what?

Since when Pakistan had anything more than india?

Nor do i remember Pakistan spending a lower share of GDP over defence, so then what's fuss about? We as a Nation are burdened by the defence expenditures, but that's not our worry; the question is, is the Nation willing to allow more expenditure on defence even at crucial times? If yes, then you people are screwed!


Xeric, time is changing. You guys are ignoring India's rising geo-political might. These days countries are talking about giving us permanent seat in UNSC something that we could not even dream about 2 decades back....Think mr think tank, think....
Lolz...india has been leaning towards this status since the day i learned to read, and you have portrayed as if its something new out of the box. Listen Mr, till the time we are holding the US from its balls, you aint getting a tosh. think mr not-a-think-tank!

The US is up for pleasing you but it wont do take a such that would cause sudden and dire imbalance in the region. Making a step child out of three nuclear powers in the region is as stupid as it can get.



No man, there is not going to be any terrorist attacks. and if at all you will see action. There should not be any two thoughts on this one....
i wish i see some action against you people before i shed away the khaki! It's been quite a while since i moved back from the LoC.


Xeric make up your mind. There is a common saying that common sense is not common. Now either you are thinking that Yanks are fools or you are making a fool out of yourself. If this is common sense that till Yanks are there India cannot dare to move a single tank on your side then how are you using CSD as a tool to push back US pressure on moving troops???? Look US is a super-power and there is no denying the fact but saying that US can arm-twist India when it comes to foreign policy is just empty rhetoric. Do i need to remind you the stark difference b/w what Obama said prior to Indian tour and in Indian Parliament?? What you and many Pakistani members here ignore is the ever increasing geo-political might of India...No offense but India is not Pakistan that can be forced to have a U turn on foreign policy by a mere call....

No doubts that you have displayed more restraint then Pakistan in dealing with the yanks, but then they know who to keep you tied up. We'll see if you people can do a single thing other than fiery speeches, absurd and aggressive statements and virtual threats till the time the US is stuck in Afg and i;ll again say, it doesnt require a brain to figure this out.

Imagine, you people fingering us one more time and we moving our entire forces towards East and the WoT goes for a six. How not so charming. i am sure those high ups of yours sure have a brain to make use of.

Like i said, there aint happening a 'terrorist' attack in india till the time the US is dependent upon our support.
 
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Both Chinese and Pakstani military will destroy Hindia. When it's all set and done Hind parliament will be prisoners of war and subject to appropriate punishment. In fact, many of the Hindian paras. will no longer be on the forum because their land and homes will be ruin, Internet services will be offline, electricity as well. Recently, A Chinese think tank backed by Chinese government officials and military announced that the best plan of action for China's interest would be to destroy and break Hind, deleting it's cities and institutions, and other structures. The official report went onto say China must also break Hindia into mini states, advised with the help of Pakistan.

In fact, a new map used by Chinese textbooks in both and some military and civil institutions as well as displayed to the government defense ministers and members shows a future map of Hindustan were at least 12 new mini states are carved out under foreign influences. A Chinese 4 star General recently commented his troops if ordered by PRC Government are prepared to strike deep inside Hind and capture New Delhi within 2 days.

China has it's own "cold start" strategy for Hindia and it's already preparing it's offensive and defensive assets on the China-Hind border.
 
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