Is PAF any good now after the russian sale of S-400 to Indians

[Windjammer]

Forget about Pakistan even US is finding it difficult to mess with S400.

And where did US exactly had to MESS with the S400.

 

[Arsalan]

Forget about Pakistan even US is finding it difficult to mess with S400.

Lets not blow it out of proportion. S400 while no doubt being an excellent SAM is just that, a SAM, a very small component of massive war machinery that will be in action in case of a war (God Forbade) between US and Russia or Pakistan and India or anyone for that matter.
These are the things one need to realize before coming up with such claims.

Actually no. PAF should now try to be sensible and not spend more money on tech they can't counter.

It is a Russian system not an Indian one that no matter what one do one can never counter it,, not on internet debate anyway. While i agree the procurement by India seem to have same effect on military systems, the sudden addition on inevitability sill i onto go to that extent.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Actually Hitler had lost the war even before second front was opened up firstly in Italy and later in Normandy.
He had lost the war Kursk itself, when Hitlers much superior and very expensive Tigers were crushed by a very crude but much more numerous machines like T-34.

Russian tanker knowing they could not penetrate Tiger's armour, drove their T-34s into the Tiger, thereby disabling their own as well German tanks.

From there on in,It was just matter time, when Russians would arrive Berlin.

wrong again sirji Hitler lost as british along with amercians were able to decode the enigma code before battle of britain and which made hitler loose war on britain and then atlantik war for which hitler went ahead with operation barbarosa and awaked the sleeping beer and not to forget the french & other anty nazi ressistence which made life difficult for germans in western europe and helped allies space as for russian front first mistake hitler made was when he ignoared his central force commanders appeal to attack moscow before rains & winter come and then the battle of leningrad as for T34s well they had huge numbers + there designs were never chnged hence there supply lines never broke + were simple to use and mantain.... but thats not the topic

thing is PAF and PA knows it way too well that they cant fight india without help first the put all hopes with USA and now its china as for air force well they think they have better mantainence and better fighting skills to nullify indian thread or they are made to beleve so but ever since kargil indian militarry machine is in an extended overhaul and mordanization drive and has economy to support it + with germanay , france , UK , USA , Israel and USA sharing there best leathal techs with us all they can do is sulk but they know ........ time has come

 

[Arsalan]

Don't worry. We have a habit of getting what we want.

in about 15 years,,, but yeah,, i do agree you have that habit of getting what you want.

 

[Windjammer]

Lets not blow it out of proportion. S400 while no doubt being an excellent SAM is just that, a SAM, a very small component of massive war machinery that will be in action in case of a war (God Forbade) between US and Russia or Pakistan and India or anyone for that matter.
These are the things one need to realize before coming up with such claims.

The Indians do have the habit of washing the soap before the hands, at one time they were calling the SU-30 as Rapptor of the East, although it doesn't have a single kill to it's credit, and now just because India is acquiring the S-400, suddenly it has become Alien technology.

 

[nForce]

in about 15 years,,, but yeah,, i do agree you have that habit of getting what you want.

Objective is to maintain an inventory that keeps you a step ahead vis-a-vis the perceived threat. As long as that is satisfied, I have nothing to complain about. Do you have any ?

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

@a_b

don't know why you're thinking like that.Even now,India possess S-300(though not formally announced) which is quite a punch considering PAF.does that mean PAF is not in any position to harm India??

There are ways to counter threat.Anti Radiation Missile,EW,missile attack on radar sites etc are always on radar.Mountainous region also gives a blind spot for these missiles.But in today's world,battlefield is integrated.You should think that S-400 as a "Long Sword",but AWACS and other surveillance assets are the tower which will assess any threat long before they reach to destroy this "Sword".What Pakistan is lacking is not just a credible platform,but whole lot of capabilities to counter India as a whole.

IMO we are mixing up things here- and that applies to OP also-

Any S-300 if its there anywhere in India Its for Ballistic Missile defense- and no other purpose- And S-400 most probably would be purchased for the same purpose- for Air-defense against combat aircrafts the systems would consist of LR-SAM, Akash, Point-defense SAMs, VSR-SAMs and MANPADS form the land-

 

[Arsalan]

The Indians do have the habit of washing the soap before the hands, at one time they were calling the SU-30 as Rapptor of the East, although it doesn't have a single kill to it's credit, and now just because India is acquiring the S-400, suddenly it has become Alien technology.

RAPTOR? I guess you are forgetting the World Best Supreme fighter plane title going in circles between Rafal, Euro fighter, Su30 and Mig when the MMRCA was on. Finally it settled on Rafale but with numbers reduced, it is again up for grasp these day. This is nothing new.

For me, if i was a Pakistan military planner, i will look at this deal with open eyes but wont lose sleep over it. Although an extremely potent systems and a threat to our aircraft, i wont term it as a final blow or a GAME ENDING procurement. Some fanboys here have literally blown things out of proportion, sadly, most of them are elite members. I have dropped in a message to them and leave the final decision with them. They can either carry on live yet another delusion or learn to accept the reality.

 

[GURU DUTT]

The Indians do have the habit of washing the soap before the hands, at one time they were calling the SU-30 as Rapptor of the East, although it doesn't have a single kill to it's credit, and now just because India is acquiring the S-400, suddenly it has become Alien technology.

well by that yard stick i remmeber a few years back you were making funny taunts against all russian militarry hardware miliatrry helicopters like Mi-17s and Mi-25-35 , MKI & su-35 , all russian missiles including there air to air and surface to air missiles and radars till china decided to go for su-35 & S400 (even they themselfs make flanker clones and there version of s300) and pakistan decided to go for Mi-17 and Mi35 .... now if that is not double standards what is

 

[Arsalan]

Objective is to maintain an inventory that keeps you a step ahead vis-a-vis the perceived threat. As long as that is satisfied, I have nothing to complain about. Do you have any ?

where did i complained? i was just supporting what you said man!

 

[HariPrasad]

And where did US exactly had to MESS with the S400.

US and Israely stayed away from attacking Iran. Now Russia is deploying S 400 in syria. Lets see the result whether anybody dare to go and attack s400.

 

[Arsalan]

US and Israely stayed away from attacking Iran. Now Russia is deploying S 400 in syria. Lets see the result whether anybody dare to go and attack s400.

If you think this was due to S400,, i salute you and have nothing further to add here.

 

[GURU DUTT]

US and Israely stayed away from attacking Iran. Now Russia is deploying S 400 in syria. Lets see the result whether anybody dare to go and attack s400.

USA or for that matter any power who intends to launch a ground offensive first try to get air supremacy over that area as they did in iraq and later libiya and afghanistan in current times but with something like S400 coming into equation its a seucide to send your air war machine into that area and USA or Israel & even sunni arab sates never dared to go into iran as they always beleved iran has had s300 and now maybe s400 already

 

[HariPrasad]

If you think this was due to S400,, i salute you and nothing further to add here.

I accept your salute with thanks. Bye bye.

 

[GURU DUTT]

If you think this was due to S400,, i salute you and nothing further to add here.

so what according to you stopped USA & its allies going in to iran