Is PAF any good now after the russian sale of S-400 to Indians

[ebrahym]

Don't worry. We have a habit of getting what we want.

the only country in line of getting them but still has not is Belarus ..... india has requested for its purchase but i dont think they will acquire it for atleast 4 coming years .... probably less .....

Bro Uncle Sam will loose a valuable customer and more importantly access to middle east through Pakistan if they allow the Pakistanis to purchase from Russia . It will be the end of their so called friendship

i certainly agree as i have posted above their sale of nuclear capable(probably) F-16 to pakistan might just be to counter russian sale ........ but as i see there is a clear difference between F-16 and Su-35

 

[GR!FF!N]

@a_b

don't know why you're thinking like that.Even now,India possess S-300(though not formally announced) which is quite a punch considering PAF.does that mean PAF is not in any position to harm India??

There are ways to counter threat.Anti Radiation Missile,EW,missile attack on radar sites etc are always on radar.Mountainous region also gives a blind spot for these missiles.But in today's world,battlefield is integrated.You should think that S-400 as a "Long Sword",but AWACS and other surveillance assets are the tower which will assess any threat long before they reach to destroy this "Sword".What Pakistan is lacking is not just a credible platform,but whole lot of capabilities to counter India as a whole.

 

[Desi_Guy]

the only country in line of getting them but still has not is Belarus ..... india has requested for its purchase but i dont think they will acquire it for atleast 4 coming years .... probably less .....


i certainly agree as i have posted above their sale of nuclear capable(probably) F-16 to pakistan might just be to counter russian sale ........ but as i see there is a clear difference between F-16 and Su-35

Ofcourse......one is offering the best technology that they have at their disposal while the other is the same platform that the PAF already operates .
If ever Su 35 materialises (Which I highly doubt to be frank) then Pakistan should opt for it for sure ,I mean it will not only keep a check on Indian MKI but also keep the Indian Rafales guessing . But yeah that would mean the end of US friendship and start of Russian .

 

[Windjammer]

No weapon system is impregnable, we heard so much about Patriots and later the Israeli Dome, it can't even totally stop the rudimentary rockets fired by the Palestinians.... besides, no matter how advanced the system, at the end of the day, it's only as good as the operator.

 

[nForce]

It's a war of attrition. At one point, Pakistan will simply not be able to afford the cost to keep up.

 

[Windjammer]

It will always be quality v quantity.

 

[ghauri05]

It will always be quality v quantity.

India definitely has more quantity but now it is also getting some quality equipment e.g Rafael n S-400(number may be low)

 

[vizier]

Forget about ancient gulf war iraqi sa2 or your hq2 counters. Flying low or anti radar missiles without gps and long range will make you suffer just more planes.
-Ecm and towed decoys just have slight probability to evade them.practice with China S300. That would also perfect Jf 17 system.
-Also cruise missiles with basic more stealthy geometries like square cross section can be made. There were no supercomputers in 60s when first stealths came.Geometric stealth is enough for a small cruise missile.
-India wont need Mig29 or others for interceptor. They can turn bomber escorts giving you disadvantage.Instead of relying on ancient hq2 sam, obtain a better system at least to protect airbases high altitude.
-Mountain airbases and super long highways can be used for emergency landing takeoff as well

 

[Osiris]

It will always be quality v quantity.

You clearly do not have the quantity, but what quality are your talking about?
Your weapons systems no more advanced than Indian ones, some are even inferior.

As far debate quality vs quantity is concerned. Quantity almost mostly wins. Just as in world war Germany's far superior technology could not stop hordes of Russian tanks.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You clearly do not have the quantity, but what quality are your talking about?
Your weapons systems no more advanced than Indian ones, some are even inferior.

As far debate quality vs quantity is concerned. Quantity almost mostly wins. Just as in world war Germany's far superior technology could not stop hordes of Russian tanks.

why are you breaking there bubble

as for WW@ hitler lost cause he got bizzi in too many fronts at the same time and his supply chains became too streched and eventually they broke

but thats off topic onli owr M2Ks and Mig29s are enof for there whole air force forget about the punch which Jags and MKIs can make not even talking about alnd , aerostat and AWACS based air defnce of inida and the future with AKASH- SPYDER-BARAK-S400 with top sat cover is totally a diffrent ball game for them

as for OP pakistan has not to worry about S400 till it decides to go on offensive against india

 

[Osiris]

why are you breaking there bubble

as for WW@ hitler lost cause he got bizzi in too many fronts at the same time and his supply chains became too streched and eventually they broke

but thats off topic onli owr M2Ks and Mig29s are enof for there whole air force forget about the punch which Jags and MKIs can make not even talking about alnd , aerostat and AWACS based air defnce of inida and the future with AKASH- SPYDER-BARAK-S400 with top sat cover is totally a diffrent ball game for them

as for OP pakistan has not to worry about S400 till it decides to go on offensive against india

Actually Hitler had lost the war even before second front was opened up firstly in Italy and later in Normandy.
He had lost the war Kursk itself, when Hitlers much superior and very expensive Tigers were crushed by a very crude but much more numerous machines like T-34.

Russian tanker knowing they could not penetrate Tiger's armour, drove their T-34s into the Tiger, thereby disabling their own as well German tanks.

From there on in,It was just matter time, when Russians would arrive Berlin.

 

[Windjammer]

You clearly do not have the quantity, but what quality are your talking about?
Your weapons systems no more advanced than Indian ones, some are even inferior.

As far debate quality vs quantity is concerned. Quantity almost mostly wins. Just as in world war Germany's far superior technology could not stop hordes of Russian tanks.

Indeed we do not have the quantity but since the subject is about PAF, it was indeed the quality of our pilots training which was the main factor in defeating a much larger air force repeatedly. it was this quality that PAF was able to counter and shoot down your latest MiG fighters with the obsolete F-86s.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Actually no. PAF should now try to be sensible and not spend more money on tech they can't counter.

 

[HariPrasad]

there are ways to destroy sam sites , and most of the sam sites are destroyed with in first few days of full blown war , terrain hugging and then bombing sams , jamming and the bombing , saturating the airspace with drones and let them fire to know their locations , destroying with special ground forces , s400 will be a serious threat for us but it can be countered

Forget about Pakistan even US is finding it difficult to mess with S400.

 

[Saurabh jindals]

there are ways to destroy sam sites , and most of the sam sites are destroyed with in first few days of full blown war , terrain hugging and then bombing sams , jamming and the bombing , saturating the airspace with drones and let them fire to know their locations , destroying with special ground forces , s400 will be a serious threat for us but it can be countered

Are you talking about Third generation warfare here Terrain hugging ? Jamming S 400 Radar ? by whome JF -17 ? Take some information little bit available on internet.