Internal and external trolls both failing Pakistanis stand strong.

[BHarwana]

The claims of a 5th generation war are being peddled only to divert attention from the real issues of a failing economy, dismal governance and mounting social issues.

How? Every news media is paddeling about economy and all internal political issues everyday. The problem is people now know too much to be fooled.

 

[VCheng]

How? Every news media is paddeling about economy and all internal political issues everyday. The problem is people now know too much to be fooled.

The people are being fooled by being told that evil foreigners are the cause of the economic and other hardships, so that they do not hold those actually responsible accountable.

 

[BHarwana]

@VCheng now here is a thread of India crimes against Muslims in India by RSS and this discussion has gone viral and everyone is condemning India from every continent. The thread will cross 1M views by tonight and Twitter India's attempts to block this has failed.
Please feel free to condemn India and raise voice for humanity.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1134172446733602816

 

[SIPRA]

The Army has achieved its position of illegal dominance by actively undermining every other state institution, let us be clear. However, this also means it is the only institution that remains effective - but only up to a point and only for serving its own needs. Pakistan pays the price, just take a look at the state of affairs in the country.

Here, I don't agree with you. The story begins from the first day. To start with, All India Muslim League (AIML), was politically a very weak organization, in comparison with Indian National Congress (INC). It was replete with a number of top politicians, from Punjab, UP, Bengal and Sindh, who were fundamentally very self-centered and hardly with any grain of character. I don't want to name them; since it may start another futile discussion. First eleven years of political rule (1947-58) is a shameful reading, if one compares it with India, and there lies the foundation for the supremacy of the military, in this country, which is now continuing.

 

[BHarwana]

The people are being fooled by being told that evil foreigners are the cause of the economic and other hardships, so that they do not hold those actually responsible accountable.

You want people to believe this because this saves you from the back lash but are people believing you that is the main question because logic and truth is against you.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135518576352251905

 

[VCheng]

@VCheng now here is a thread of India crimes against Muslims in India by RSS and this discussion has gone viral and everyone is condemning India from every continent. The thread will cross 1M views by tonight and Twitter India's attempts to block this has failed.
Please feel free to condemn India and raise voice for humanity.

Persecuting minorities is a shame for any society that perpetrates it, but what has that to do with the topic of this thread except whataboutery.

there lies the foundation for the supremacy of the military, in this country, which is now continuing.

What you have offered is an attempted justification for the present state of affairs, that is all. It does nothing to change the fact that such illegal dominance remains wrong for the country. This must change if Pakistan is to progress.

You want people to believe this because this saves you from the back lash but are people believing you that is the main question because logic and truth is against you.

To me it does not matter if anyone believes me or not. My vindication comes from actual results. Reality wins over it all.

 

[BHarwana]

Persecuting minorities is a shame for any society that perpetrates it, but what has that to do with the topic of this thread except whataboutery.



What you have offered is an attempted justification for the present state of affairs, that is all. It does nothing to change the fact that such illegal dominance remains wrong for the country. This must change if Pakistan is to progress.



To me it does not matter if anyone believes me or not. My vindication comes from actual results. Reality wins over it all.

I was explaining truth to you. How truth stands out and how hybrid war started lies fail. People have even designed new flag for India.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135525258050646016

 

[VCheng]

I was explaining truth to you. How truth stands out and how hybrid war started lies fail. People have even designed new flag for India.

Whataboutery is never an explanation for the truth.

 

[BHarwana]

To me it does not matter if anyone believes me or not. My vindication comes from actual results. Reality wins over it all.

What is reality? Some dream you saw last night? Nope reality is something you are trying to achieve in this very thread. Like you associated your self with reality in this very thread 10 time proving you are no where near reality. Your self association with reality is speaking against you. So what is your reality?

 

[VCheng]

What is reality? Some dream you saw last night? Nope reality is something you are trying to achieve in this very thread. Like you associated your self with reality in this very thread 10 time proving you are no where near reality. Your self association with reality is speaking against you. So what is your reality?

More whataboutery. I am not the topic of this thread. Please discuss the argument, not the person if this discussion is to continue.

 

[SIPRA]

What you have offered is an attempted justification for the present state of affairs, that is all.

This is not an "attempted justification"; this is a historical perspective.

It does nothing to change the fact that such illegal dominance remains wrong for the country.

Of course, it is wrong. Where have I said, that it is right. What I am saying is that it was a natural consequence of certain historical processes.

This must change if Pakistan is to progress.

Yes. It must change; but it wouldn't change; unless a decisive majority of the Pakistani don't want and commit to change it.

 

[BHarwana]

Whataboutery is never an explanation for the truth.

Few words which you keep repeating to make people believe in you will do you no good in becoming a truthfull person. You need to have some truth full base to accomplish this. Some will stand with you because they will ignore the truth and their bias will make them like you but In reality they know what you are trying to achieve and that is where truth win because truth is justified by hearts not tongue.

 

[VCheng]

This is not an "attempted justification"; this is a historical perspective.



Of course, it is wrong. Where have I said, that it is right. What I am saying is that it was a natural consequence of certain historical processes.



Yes. It must change; but it wouldn't change; unless a decisive majority of the Pakistani don't want and commit to change it.

Well, as I said above, I will support the right of Pakistanis to determine what they want for their country. If they continue to make the wrong choices, who am I to disagree? They are the ones to pay the price for their follies, as they have in the past.

Few words which you keep repeating to make people believe in you will do you no good in becoming a truthfull person. You need to have some truth full base to accomplish this. Some will stand with you because they will ignore the truth and their bias will make them like you but I'm reality they know what you are trying to achieve and that is where truth win because truth is justified by hearts not tongue.

That rant simply is beyond my comprehension, to be honest.

 

[BHarwana]

Well, as I said above, I will support the right of Pakistanis to determine what they want for their country. If they continue to make the wrong choices, who am I to disagree? They are the ones to pay the price for their follies, as they have in the past.



That rant simply is beyond my comprehension, to be honest.

Lol again your attempts of being netural with being not netural at all. This duplicity of yours is making you look evil. Eg if Pakistan makes a choice which is against what you wanted is wrong how? Are you the word of truth? Who gave you that status? Then you support Pakistan's decision when you have already told that it is wrong so means you are not supporting it and have condemned it already.

See you are not netural but bias and your hate inside you and the idea which your own heart rejected has exposed you.

 

[LeGenD]

anyway the narrative was wrong and there was no wmd.it was a big lie and most americans see this as a mistake.i have seen many americans criticizing bush regime.

Narrative = no WMD in Iraq

Fact = hidden caches of chemical weapons found in Iraq throughout the years (2004 - 2011). Numerous cases of exposure and injuries, information deliberately suppressed to counter panic.

1) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

2) https://edition-m.cnn.com/2014/10/15/us/iraq-chemical-weapons/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/