Internal and external trolls both failing Pakistanis stand strong.

[nahtanbob]

Indeed


It makes no difference? Hahahaha
The more I talk to you the more I realize that you only have bs coming out of your mouth

Are you going to start a war with India because you shot a MiG-21 ?
Or is India going to hand you Kashmir ?

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Are you going to start a war with India because you shot a MiG-21 ?
Or is India going to hand you Kashmir ?

Are you crazy and off topic? Hell ya

 

[nahtanbob]

Then you must see syria and iraq ... they had similar views about their leaders but now their kids are being eaten by wild animals ...

I agree our armed forces have issues but we have to tackle this matter internally by restrucruring our society not by hating them ... they are a vital part of our nation

On Syria and Iraq you cannot expect people to fight for leaders who oppress them

80% of Iraq is better than Pakistan in all aspects

Are you crazy and off topic? Hell ya

please tell us what differences are we going to see

 

[Death Professor]

was related to topic, so shared it.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

On Syria and Iraq you cannot expect people to fight for leaders who oppress them

80% of Iraq is better than Pakistan in all aspects



please tell us what differences are we going to see

 

[MastanKhan]

Visit UC berkeley, or even the S.U at UCLA, there is no muzzle on anyone. It does not make any sense to talk bad about any profession without reason.
There is ample criticism of aspects of military when needed, An American won't shy away from talking about unecessary defence spending, poor VA managmement, Poor rehabilitation program, unnecessary involvement in wars, maybe you haven't noticed massive protests during the vietnam war, right upto the gulf war.
And like Pakistan if United states Military indulged in massive corruption, Shadow governments, Military coups, Dictatorial regimes trampling the constitution of United states, No American would have tolerated that.

This Blashphemy nonsense finds it's value among pakistanis, Americans have shown right through the 5 decades that people can oppose the regime without the fear of disappearing or being constitutionally charged with medieval laws.

Hi,

I have lived in Berkeley---.

Berkeley is nothing---not even a speck of fly sh-it on the glass window---.

The US is 50 cuntries + 1---. Berkeley does not count for anything even in california but only those living in Berkeley---.

You keep bringing up reality and narrative with regard to USA. What was Saddam's narrative ?
The reality is that most Iraqis were not willing to die for Saddam.
500,000 Iraqi soldiers (Regular Army, Republican Guard, Militiamen) folded in under 3 weeks to 40,000 US ground troops. As few as 10,000 Iraqi soldiers died in initial combat.

Hi,

I thought you were more intelligent than that---.

The iraqi sodliers had nothing to shoot back at---.

The americans decimated them from a distance.

And the fabled BVR comes into force---and an eye openers for pakistni idiot fan boys as well.

The most important part of the iraq war was---that the ground war was fought by the americans from BVR of iraqi forces---. The americans tanks and articles took out the iraqi's before even the iraqi's saw them---.

There are pakistani imbeciles on this board keep harping about WVR---even the results are in front of them yet they are blind---.

Americans troops first decimated the iraqi military ground power from BVR range of ground strikes---when the iraqi army was decimated---then the american military moved into wvr of ground strikes---.

A soldier can only retaliate---when he has something to shoot at---when he can see the damage to the enemy---if he cannot see the damage and starts to die without cause or reason---the fight goes out of the soldiers---.

 

[IceCold]

I feel no emotion in describing reality, which will always win over any narrative. Always.

Its ironic this coming from you considering you live in a country who's whole policy runs on building narratives and launching wars. Case in point Iraq.

 

[MilSpec]

Hi,

I have lived in Berkeley---.

Berkeley is nothing---not even a speck of fly sh-it on the glass window---.

The US is 50 cuntries + 1---. Berkeley does not count for anything even in california but only those living in Berkeley---.

If you have voluntary blindness to the entire anti-war movement during Vietnam right up to largescale opposition to American interventionism by a broad spectrum of society, then there is not much to say. Unlike Pakistan there is neither medieval laws or a fear of a military junta to speak up against Military or any religion. This value actually was enshrined in nature of today's online discourse which you use quite often to criticize the PAF brass. If US practiced Pakistani style state enforced blasphemy for any discourse against military, it would have been a blood bath, on the flipside if US military had conduct like that of Pakistani Military, well that would have been quite a horrific situation to even imagine.

 

[Verve]

If you have voluntary blindness to the entire anti-war movement during Vietnam right up to largescale opposition to American interventionism by a broad spectrum of society, then there is not much to say. Unlike Pakistan there is neither medieval laws or a fear of a military junta to speak up against Military or any religion. This value actually was enshrined in nature of today's online discourse which you use quite often to criticize the PAF brass. If US practiced Pakistani style state enforced blasphemy for any discourse against military, it would have been a blood bath, on the flipside if US military had conduct like that of Pakistani Military, well that would have been quite a horrific situation to even imagine.

Which ones of your mainstream media openly talks against the US military and Pentagon?

As for Vietnam war etc, the protests were against the US government and not against US Military. Protests were to bring the men back home and stop the coffins returning instead. You've flipped that as a movement/protests against the US military instead! Good one!

CIA is part of the military complex and heck it's killed one of your presidents as well. It's funny how Americans talk when they've done worst crimes themselves.

 

[SIPRA]

Are you crazy and off topic? Hell ya

He is not the only one; PDF is replete with them.

 

[El Sidd]

I wish the GoP would also come forward and play her part in the defense of the country against 5th gen narrative. Sadly the GoP is sniffing business in this 5th gen warfare.

 

[MastanKhan]

If you have voluntary blindness to the entire anti-war movement during Vietnam right up to largescale opposition to American interventionism by a broad spectrum of society, then there is not much to say. Unlike Pakistan there is neither medieval laws or a fear of a military junta to speak up against Military or any religion. This value actually was enshrined in nature of today's online discourse which you use quite often to criticize the PAF brass. If US practiced Pakistani style state enforced blasphemy for any discourse against military, it would have been a blood bath, on the flipside if US military had conduct like that of Pakistani Military, well that would have been quite a horrific situation to even imagine.

Hi,

I have respect for you---but please spare me the BS---.

Please don't compound on the silliness of your importance of Berkeley---.

 

[Adonis]

It's all about narrative and perception, reality doesn't matter much. Whole Iraq war was launched on a basis of a narrative, there were no WMD's so how did Americans convince their nation to go into a war? Was it reality or a narrative? Indian's have been bragging about downing a plane but their narrative was repulsed in international media because it was too weak. Jews talk about their narrative that 6 M of them died in holocaust but did that many actually die? Bangladeshi's claim that half a million of their women got raped in 1971 but is it the actual truth? It's all about your narrative vs enemy's narrative, no one gives a __ about reality in today's age.

You are perfectly right on the logic of narrative and perception...I guess Pak army's narrative and perception given to it's people and the world in past 70 years...have reaped us tremendous benefits...

on Kashmir, on Mukti army of Bangladesh, On dealing with our neighbours, On fighting other's wars in the name of religion, On Pashtuns, On Balochis, On democracy, On Jihad etc etc...

 

[Arsalan 345]

What was Saddam's narrative to his army and his people ?

I don't know much about him but he wasn't running any campaign against americans.i think you guys started a useless war because there was no wmd.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Hi,

I have respect for you---but please spare me the BS---.

Please don't compound on the silliness of your importance of Berkeley---.

Sir this @MilSpec comes from a country where thousands of students were suspended from their universities merely for asking how is the josh post pulwama attack, to this day anyone who raises doubt about IAF bogus claims is rated as terrorist/traitor
Tell him to criticize Indian army's war crime in IOK without getting lynched
Prostitution rackets , sex scandals corruption is prevalent in entire military apparatus but god forbid if anyone raises their voice about it they lose their jobs and life too in some cases