India confirms order for IAF's Rafale deal with France

[Dash]

used f-16

Brother, he is a very new member, and you are making him a troll of the future. Pls be a little sensitive.

 

[Manidabest]

Oh my bad, Its the J-20 which is banned for Exports, J-31 will take time to fully get matured for Induction (could be 2023-25) so ya.. you guys have the option to buy j-11 or buy more used f-16 for now and keep some money reserved to get the next Gen fighters in good numbers

J11D a new variant should be inducted

 

[shree835]

The Rafale is highly priced. This is actually due to the fact that the French Armee de l'Air (French Air Force) wanted a plane that could fit the roles of "seven planes in one" (directly translated from the words of a top ranking French official). This would explain the high price.

This is a sensible discussion ... well how about better J11 or SU35???



this is over confidence .....

SU-35...!!!! Just forget it..... You Should Say this is time to order some CHINI Maal.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

@shree835
My concern is not the low numbers of Rafale but the total reduction in our numbers. By the time we will receive the 2 squadrons of Rafale , we will have to retire 4 squadrons of Mig27s, at least 4 of Mig21s and 2 of Jaguars. To replace all of these, we will at best have 2 squadrons of Rafale, 2 squadrons of Su30mki and 2 squadrons of Tejas. We still fall short of 4 squadrons. We need to get second hand mirages and new Mig29s to fill up the gap .

 

[shah1398]

Any info on the revised price tag per piece or its same $100 million-plus per aircraft?

 

[Bharat_Bhakt]

@shree835
My concern is not the low numbers of Rafale but the total reduction in our numbers. By the time we will receive the 2 squadrons of Rafale , we will have to retire 4 squadrons of Mig27s, at least 4 of Mig21s and 2 of Jaguars. To replace all of these, we will at best have 2 squadrons of Rafale, 2 squadrons of Su30mki and 2 squadrons of Tejas. We still fall short of 4 squadrons. We need to get second hand mirages and new Mig29s to fill up the gap .

point is a single squadron of Rafale is more capable than the 4 squadrons of Mig27 & Mig21combined

 

[Manidabest]

The Rafale is highly priced. This is actually due to the fact that the French Armee de l'Air (French Air Force) wanted a plane that could fit the roles of "seven planes in one" (directly translated from the words of a top ranking French official). This would explain the high price.



SU-35...!!!! Just forget it..... You Should Say this is time to order some CHINI Maal.

yeaa we should forget that just like u forget S400 defence system without PAKFA

we r happy to acquire CHINI MAAL as long as it meet our requirements that is to target indians

 

[cerberus]

yeaa we should forget that just like u forget S400 defence system without PAKFA

we r happy to acquire CHINI MAAL as long as it meet our requirements that is to target indians

Kid we forget nothing we already paid 295 million $ for preliminary design for FGFA

S-400 is already on verge of official sign
The MOU already signed BTW reliance. Almatz for production of S-400

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/12/25/4522/print/?h

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[Ankit Kumar]

point is a single squadron of Rafale is more capable than the 4 squadrons of Mig27 & Mig21combined

This logic may be right for a country size of UK or France, not for India. Because the enemy is replacing its inventory 1 for 1 with an aircraft which is twice as capable than its predecessor.

 

[shree835]

yeaa we should forget that just like u forget S400 defence system without PAKFA

we r happy to acquire CHINI MAAL as long as it meet our requirements that is to target indians

Don Worry ...We need both....First S400 (It will make pakistan no fly zone) will come to India and later FGFA....We are very good in Bargain...YOU KNOW RIGHT...???

 

[anant_s]

I thought LCA was the Mig 21 replacement...

Well thats how the story began in 1980s with IAF projecting a requirement of a cost effective point defence fighter for MiG 21 replacement by mid 90s. & it will still perform about the same role that MiG 21 performed/performs.

Whither LCA though??

FOC is expected by end of this year along with possible addition of AESA radar (LCA Mk 1A).

 

[Bharat_Bhakt]

This logic may be right for a country size of UK or France, not for India. Because the enemy is replacing its inventory 1 for 1 with an aircraft which is twice as capable than its predecessor.

if they are replacing there inventory so are we we are also upgrading owr jaguars mirage 2000 and mig 29s and buying/making Su-30 MKI's and the fact a big order for LCA MK1A is already placed and with 36 french built rafales coming on fast track basis plus the possibility of russian single seat PAKFA in equal numbers as those of rafales means there is no way IAF will be a slouch. And the concept of 1 to 1 procurement is obsolete now in the world of omni role / multi role fighter jets

 

[shree835]

@shree835
My concern is not the low numbers of Rafale but the total reduction in our numbers. By the time we will receive the 2 squadrons of Rafale , we will have to retire 4 squadrons of Mig27s, at least 4 of Mig21s and 2 of Jaguars. To replace all of these, we will at best have 2 squadrons of Rafale, 2 squadrons of Su30mki and 2 squadrons of Tejas. We still fall short of 4 squadrons. We need to get second hand mirages and new Mig29s to fill up the gap .

Thats right...To fill the gap of MiG21 , 100+ Tejas MK1 A is progressing well....and Tejas MK2 is also going good....Later if IAF is happy with Rafale , we will go for follow-up order....Here history will repeat again same as SU-30MKI.

Please make a note capability of Rafale is equivalent to 5+ aircraft... only 36 is very good enough to convert pakistan air force into no air force.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Well buddy what I meant is. That the operational requirements of our air force are also increasing.

A simple example.we replace 3 Mig27 squadrons with 1of Rafale. Now think it this way, may be the Rafale equivalent to 8 Mig27s, but is one squadron enough to do the duties required?

If I go by your logic, we need not go for more than 36 Rafales and another 2 squadrons of Flankers . Is it realistic? No.

By doing so we may maintain our level of capabilities what we had 10 years ago, but we will loose the gap advantage which we had over our adversary.

1on 1 replacement is still well and good for India.

if they are replacing there inventory so are we we are also upgrading owr jaguars mirage 2000 and mig 29s and buying/making Su-30 MKI's and the fact a big order for LCA MK1A is already placed and with 36 french built rafales coming on fast track basis plus the possibility of russian single seat PAKFA in equal numbers as those of rafales means there is no way IAF will be a slouch. And the concept of 1 to 1 procurement is obsolete now in the world of omni role / multi role fighter jets

Thats right...To fill the gap of MiG21 , 100+ Tejas MK1 A is progressing well....and Tejas MK2 is also going good....Later if IAF is happy with Rafale , we will go for follow-up order....Here history will repeat again same as SU-30MKI.

Please make a note capability of Rafale is equivalent to 5+ aircraft... only 36 is very good enough to convert pakistan air force into no air force.

Yes 100 Tejas might be on order, but what I am trying to say is, will they be manufactured within 7 yearsyears from now? When we are giving up about 2 older squadrons each year?

 

[shree835]

well if u think weapons make armies win then Nato should have conquered Afghanistan successfully and Afghanistan would have been peaceful but sadly President of Afghanistan is famously dubbed as Mayor of kabul



well i think they are banned but experts in here can confirm .. i think with more lobbying Pakistan can get its hands on J11b and also Pakistanis are thinking to jump on 5th generation fighter like j31 soo i hope they come up with something better more advanced and not very costly fighter....

There is few points that you have to keep in your mind…


CHINI guys are not going to give you directly J31 or J20.


First they will ask you to buy all variant of J10 then other J….


In short you cannot Jump to you wished J version….You must have to go by each and every J.


CHINI guys want to make money from each and every variant that they have created from you…Don forget you are Major market for CHINA like North Korea.


Just remember you are not a Chooser.