India confirms order for IAF's Rafale deal with France

[Blue Marlin]

I know,but that is a good news though.
Now we can expect the deal to be officially signed on India's republic day as Hollande will be the chief guest.
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And THEN,we could "faire péter le champagne".

when that?

 

[egodoc222]

After the deal is signed,expect the presstitutes to unleash their hate against Rafale and why not France !

I won't be surprised!! Prestitutes in the name of 'free' media... Can cook and sell anything!!

 

[SUDIP]

The Indian Air Force's quest for a Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) is finally over with the Indian government confirming the order for 36 Rafale jets with the French government.

According to sources, documents for the government-to-government deal were delivered by New Delhi to Paris on New Year's eve, and the agreement is on the same lines as that for the Mirage 2000 aircraft signed in the early 1980s. IAF will buy all the Rafale aircraft from Dassault, the French aircraft builder and integrator, in a flyaway condition.

As the deal is between governments, the French authorities will ensure that Dassault complies with the terms of reference as it has successfully done in the case of Mirage 2000 -- about 60 of which were delivered beginning 1985. The basic agreement was for 49 and 10 more were acquired later.

Significantly, this is the second deal for IAF - and Indian Army - within one week, the other being for Russian Kamov-31 helicopters signed on Christmas Eve with the Russian Government in Moscow during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit there. That deal involves substantial manufacture of these machines in India as the number is large -- more than 200.

It may be noted that originally IAF was to acquire 126 aircraft after the Rafale was selected in the MMRCA competition some time back, 18 in flyaway condition and 108 as progressively assembled and made in India by HAL under part Transfer of Technology (ToT). Private industry was to be involved, but HAL's share was negotiated as more than 70 percent.

There were a lot of hiccups, over costs of the aircraft -- over $100 million-plus per aircraft -- and offsets from the Indian side and responsibility over the quality of production in India from the French side. Finally, keeping in mind IAF's urgent requirements, the prime minister intervened to order 36 aircraft, or two squadrons, in a direct government-to-government deal during his visit to Paris in April.

This time, the deal involved no production in India but there were still some hiccups over the 50 percent stipulated offsets although aircraft costs would by and large have been the same as for the French Air Force (Armée de l'Air). Offset obligations would always be additional.

Modi, intervening again, spoke directly with French President Francois Hollande on telephone in early September, and expressed difficulty in concluding the deal without the offsets. Hollande graciously agreed, and IAF approved the deal in mid-December. The Ministry of Defence (MoD) delivered a copy of the Inter-Government Agreement in this regard through the established diplomatic channels just as the New Year was set to begin.

Under the deal, Dassault and its main partners -- engine-maker Safran and electronic systems-maker Thales -- will share some technology with DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) and maybe some private sector companies and HAL under the offsets clause. Details are not known but as the aircraft have to be flown and maintained in India for at least three-to-four decades, a lot of information and technology upgrades will be needed to keep them operational.

The twin-engine Rafale combat jet is designed from the beginning as a multi-role fighter for air-to-air and air-to-ground attacks, is nuclear- capable and, thanks to its onboard Electronic Warfare (EW) systems, can also perform reconnaissance and radar jamming roles.

The deal involves delivery of aircraft to begin within three years of signing the agreement -- 2018-end in this case -- but French industry sources told this writer some time back in Paris that Dassault had started planning for the Indian order from mid-2015 itself, and "maybe the deliveries could be faster, if required".
Last year had been lucky for Dassault as the Rafale has also been selected by Egypt and Qatar, while the UAE is considering it seriously.

There are suddenly too many orders, and the only way to meet them is to divert the French Air Force requirements for the next few years. That is being done.

India Confirms Order for IAF's Rafale Deal With France -The New Indian Express

 

[egodoc222]

well it has been over 3 years, and other manufactures will be warey oft his as they may not be interesting in a 3 year or a very long negoation process. as for us we nearly got an order for 28 from kuwait

Good for you

 

[Abingdonboy]

May be....with fgfa deal in turbulence.
We never know....India may the make the enemies worst nightmare true....ordering 108 more under make in India!

The FGFA and MMRCA requirements are not and never have been linked/mutually exclusive. It is orginal MMRCA requirement (where does one think this requirement has suddenly evaporated to?) AND FGFA and with the latter in trouble it will likely be MMRCA+ to cover the interim.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Good for you

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good for you. i know what will happen next, but its best to sit and watch.
btw the typhoon has more export orders than the rafale

 

[Abingdonboy]

India confirms order for IAF's Rafale deal with France - The Economic Times

Nope. Won't accept it until production on the first Rafale for the IAF begins.

We've been burnt so many times

@Abingdonboy 36 only what about reliance deal

Two seperate deals. 36 through a govt-govt off the shelf agreement to address the urgent requirements of the IAF as the PM stated in Paris, April 2015 .

The MII element is being handeled by private entities on both sides, as has been reported, Dassualt has been given the authority to tie up with an Indian entity as it so wishes as long as the product meets a specific set of requirements.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@Vauban we should toast with this on prez hollande visit and formal signing of 36

Let DPP 2016 be formally launched and MII part of Rafale to come then the treat can be more expensive types..

 

[Hulk]

This would not be limited to 36 Fighters.

@Abingdonboy

I think there might be a follow up order of 20 or so but not 126. @Abingdonboy is only one which has hopes.

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Few morons trolled me when i said its a done deal.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I think there might be a follow up order of 20 or so but not 126. @Abingdonboy is only one which has hopes.

50 Rafales with no MII content at a time when the orginal 126 (let alone follow ons) MMRCA is still nowhere near fulfilled, the FGFA is nowhere to be seen and the SQN strength is going through the floor? Does that make sense from any angle? Please tell me which bases these Rafales would be limited (you won't be able to base them in the bases orginally earmarked for MMRCAs as the number is too few to justify the cost of asscoiated infrastructure)? Please tell me the MRO arrangement for such a pitiful number? You won't get full MRO services in India (as the IAF has for every other fighter it has in service). The 4th largest airforce in the world doesn't buy 36(/50) fighters off the shelf and especially not in the current poltical landscape (MII is Modi's main policy agenda and he personally oversaw this deal).

The notion that anything below 100 is the final figure is getting more and more absurd my friend.

Otherwise tell me how the shortfall is going to be made up- more MKIs? Not happening. More LCAs then?

It is a fact that Dassualt are in advanced stages of talks for follow on orders of Rafales to be made in India but if the govt-govt deal for 36 jets bought off the shelf took almost a year (April-December), it is going to take a lot longer to secure something as complex as localised produciton of this scope.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

I hope they station these birds in NE. That way I will be able to watch them flying every day.
ps: Living in between two AF bases located in close proximity does help. Come on RAFALE, its time to give Sukhois companty.

 

[Hulk]

50 Rafales with no MII content at a time when the orginal 126 (let alone follow ons) MMRCA is still nowhere near fulfilled, the FGFA is nowhere to be seen and the SQN strength is going through the floor? Does that make sense from any angle? Please tell me which bases these Rafales would be limited (you won't be able to base them in the bases orginally earmarked for MMRCAs as the number is too few to justify the cost of asscoiated infrastructure)? Please tell me the MRO arrangement for such a pitiful number? You won't get full MRO services in India (as the IAF has for every other fighter it has in service). The 4th largest airforce in the world doesn't buy 36(/50) fighters off the shelf and especially not in the current poltical landscape (MII is Modi's main policy agenda and he personally oversaw this deal).

The notion that anything below 100 is the final figure is getting more and more absurd my friend.

Otherwise tell me how the shortfall is going to be made up- more MKIs? Not happening. More LCAs then?

It is a fact that Dassualt are in advanced stages of talks for follow on orders of Rafales to be made in India but if the govt-govt deal for 36 jets bought off the shelf took almost a year (April-December), it is going to take a lot longer to secure something as complex as localised produciton of this scope.

I hope you are right, just that I do not see any hint anywhere. What is MII?

 

[Globaltracker81]

I hope you are right, just that I do not see any hint anywhere. What is MII?

'Make in India'

 

[Cyberian]

Deal still yet to be signed?