IAF plane in pakistan photo shown to COAS USA

[murshid]

i like to know what's the international law says about these air spece voilations ?

 

[sob]

The report says that the Su-30 was under PAF's firing range but it returned after warning was issued and it was escorted back by a batch of Mig-29's.

Neo, I could not understand the sequence of events, : it was escorted back by a batch of Mig-29's: As per my understanding PAF does not have MIG 29.

Could you please clarify on this point.

 

[insas91]

Can we have the english version of the article please?
There was no violation of airspace. Its just a cooked up news.

 

[fatman17]

BBC is a reliable source! no!

 

[Hellfire]

BBC is a reliable source! no!

debatable?

 

[maverick2009]

I was a PAF pilot and indian SU30 MKI the crown jewels of the IAF was in PAK AIR SPACE and has claimed it was in pakistani air space wat would I DO.

This post claims a lock on

KNOCK it OUT OF THE SKY take your revenge for atlantic incident several years ago.

And acheive a huge pyscological blow on IAF.

" CANT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET A LOCK ON SU30MKI" the PESA radar in SU30MKI is the best radar in South Asia can see you at 150km away

 

[insas91]

BBC is a reliable source! no!

BBC also runs a blog. ITs best if we had an English article.

 

[MZUBAIR]

I was a PAF pilot and indian SU30 MKI the crown jewels of the IAF was in PAK AIR SPACE and has claimed it was in pakistani air space wat would I DO.

This post claims a lock on

KNOCK it OUT OF THE SKY take your revenge for atlantic incident several years ago.

And acheive a huge pyscological blow on IAF.

" CANT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET A LOCK ON SU30MKI" the PESA radar in SU30MKI is the best radar in South Asia can see you at 150km away

Yes, but the facts are proved.
Details and photos were shown to US COAS.
Second they had a chance to destroy Su-30, but they didnt coz
1) If they would destroy it, it will surely crash in civilian area (probabily in Lahore) and SU-30 was completly loaded with weapons.
(Crashed plane takes 30 to 40 KM to get on ground coz of its speed)
2) It moved back on very first warning.
3) The ordered were just to push SU-30 back.

SU-30 was locked by F-16, thats a confirmed news.

 

[Always Neutral]

Yes, but the facts are proved.
Details and photos were shown to US COAS.
Second they had a chance to destroy Su-30, but they didnt coz
1) If they would destroy it, it will surely crash in civilian area (probabily in Lahore) and SU-30 was completly loaded with weapons.
(Crashed plane takes 30 to 40 KM to get on ground coz of its speed)
2) It moved back on very first warning.
3) The ordered were just to push SU-30 back.

SU-30 was locked by F-16, thats a confirmed news.

Confirmed by whom ? Till than its just propoganda. Is the US COAS the boss of PAF now ? Why not show it to the rest of the world. No one is foolish to cross a border with a full load of weapons delibrately unless they mean to use them.

I guess this incident is just some media hype to divert attention and boost the stocks of some well paid journalists who can now do a talk show.

Regards

 

[deltacamelately]

Yes, but the facts are proved.
Details and photos were shown to US COAS.
Second they had a chance to destroy Su-30, but they didnt coz
1) If they would destroy it, it will surely crash in civilian area (probabily in Lahore) and SU-30 was completly loaded with weapons.
(Crashed plane takes 30 to 40 KM to get on ground coz of its speed)
2) It moved back on very first warning.
3) The ordered were just to push SU-30 back.

SU-30 was locked by F-16, thats a confirmed news.

Mzubair,
PAF F-16s MLUs are not exactly comparable to Bloc-52 versions AFAIK. Chances of the Current F-16s to lock on the MKI is doubtful, though in WVR the pilot's skill-set also gets into play. However in a BVR scenario the Falcon gets outsmarted. The MKI isn't a purely Russian aircraft, the avionics are a mix of Russian, French, Israeli and Indian gear. For example the HUD is an Israeli Elbit unit. So the radar and other avionics in the F16 doesn't offer any advantage as in case with typical Russian Aircrafts.

The quality of the N011-M Bars PESA radar is far superior to any other radar in entire asia. India has got its capabilities multifold by replacing the entire data processor. Radar is very important element in any BVR engagement, obviously the F-16 loses out there. One interesting aspect of the Bars is, that it can, through mechanical and electronic steering, detect a target at 60km in the rear quadrant. The radar was initially designed to detect an F-16 at 140-160kms.

The ECM is also Israeli, when used to its full capability, it will probably perform very well against the likes of Rafaels and Eurofighters, which are better comparisons to the MKIs. The F-16's capabilities were very much kept in mind while designing the avionics and ECM for the MKIs, because the F-16s are very well known to the Israelis, much more than the PAF.

So, even in a hypothetical situation wherein a F-16C manages to see the MKI, and as the fight developes, the aircraft would burn fuel fast in avoiding missiles and manoeuvering for shots, the F-16C would get more manoeuverable faster than the Su30 owing to its smaller size. But the MKI can keep firing in missiles and causing the F-16 to evade. If they got to visual range combat then things start to turn very sticky for the F-16. Though it can accelerate faster by now, but it only has a couple of shots and it is fighting an opponent that can point in any direction to lock on and launch its missiles. In the end the F-16 is going to run out of fuel and missiles and find itself in a fight with an ultra manoeuverable and still heavily armed MKI that can still afford to use afterburner that even has a 2nd crew member to help maintain situational awareness.

The MKI is more a peer of the EF Typhoon and Rafael, neither of which would have much trouble taking out an F-16.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^In this particular case the suggestion seems to be that the engagement was WVR, since images were allegedly taken and shown.

 

[Always Neutral]

^^^In this particular case the suggestion seems to be that the engagement was WVR, since images were allegedly taken and shown.

But The translation posted by some one talks of Mig 29's a plane not operated by PAF ?

Regards

 

[Patriot]

I was a PAF pilot and indian SU30 MKI the crown jewels of the IAF was in PAK AIR SPACE and has claimed it was in pakistani air space wat would I DO.

This post claims a lock on

KNOCK it OUT OF THE SKY take your revenge for atlantic incident several years ago.

And acheive a huge pyscological blow on IAF.

" CANT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET A LOCK ON SU30MKI" the PESA radar in SU30MKI is the best radar in South Asia can see you at 150km away

This was confirmed by PAF sources so 100% true but do you really belive Pakistan would have shot it down?It would have started full out war..as the timings were very very intense.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

But The translation posted by some one talks of Mig 29's a plane not operated by PAF ?

Regards

Yes, and one English article after Pakistan carried out the Bubur cruise missile test stated that it was a train hugging missile. That doesn't mean we have to lay railway tracks to Delhi or Bombay to operate it now does it, nor that Pakistan did not carry out the test.

The South Asian media is notorious for getting details wrong - the aircraft description would likely fall into that category - it doesn't negate the fact that an Indian intrusion occurred and the PAF fighter got a lock on the IAF fighter.

Even the IAf admitted that there may have been a 'technical violation' - if they are willing to admit that much then I'd say the chances of the alleged Pakistani claim being valid are pretty high.

 

[Always Neutral]

This was confirmed by PAF sources so 100% true but do you really belive Pakistan would have shot it down?It would have started full out war..as the timings were very very intense.

The same source in PAF who said this as per Neo

The report says that the Su-30 was under PAF's firing range but it returned after warning was issued and it was escorted back by a batch of Mig-29's.

Time to get better sources or this incident took place on X Box of some Air Force Mess over a gin and tonic.

Regards