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:agree::agree: i dont know where this ownership question arises from BUT in Quran God said He is Rabul Alamin (He is the God of the entire Universe).

The ownership questions only arises with regards to idols not the One (The Lord) who belongs to entire universe

No It does not arise in Hinduism though it is a poly-theistic religion.Others I dont know.

The Universe as it is is created by Lord Brahma.
The same is looked after/preserved by Lord Vishnu
and it is destroyed by Lord Shiva - to be again created by Lord Brahma.

They are the Holy Trinity in Hinduism. :cheers:
 
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It is good to know that you are interested and enthusiastic enough to read other religious books to increase your knowledge first hand, but then, I remember you mentioning on another thread some weeks back that Abdul Kalam (former President) is not Muslim because he has read Bhagwad Gita. :confused:

So were you trolling then, or are you lying now? Or are you not a Muslim either because of the same factor? :undecided:

It was not me who claimed that rather some points posted by someone and according to our faith there is NO idiol as god.
Reading, studying something for understanding is one thing and reciting beliefs of others, other than Islam and believing in that is another thing.

Reciting it as a belief by a Muslim is negating Islam.
 
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No It does not arise in Hinduism though it is a poly-theistic religion.Others I dont know.

The Universe as it is is created by Lord Brahma.
The same is looked after/preserved by Lord Vishnu
and it is destroyed by Lord Shiva - to be again created by Lord Brahma.

They are the Holy Trinity in Hinduism. :cheers:

:) i dont want to make it purely religion based otherwise there is disagreement on ownership of idiol gods in different parts pf India among hindus.

anyway
 
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:) i dont want to make it purely religion based otherwise there is disagreement on ownership of idiol gods in different parts pf India among hindus.

anyway

no... he is from south india and i am from north still holding valid his points

its other thing he may worship brahma more and I do worship vishnu more.... but we both believe in both of them
 
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Actually a little different in case of Hinduism it preaches that god is within u and all religions lead to the same god within u.

Don't know what is wrong with you people.
as far as my understanding goes in hinduism almost every thing is god or cast of god or some thing like that.Apparently this is the reason you worship stones(carved in particular shape),animals(monkey,elephant,cow),reptiles(snake) and even human beings(ram,krishan).
just one question:How the creation of god becomes god himself?

Does god himself told you people i am also present in these things so you can please me through worshiping these things,or its just justification of your mind.you people want to please god in your way,but why not in a way that god told you?
 
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:) everything. from smallest thing to the largest one including earth, skies, galaxies, heaven and hell.

the entire system within understanding of human and beyond it which even the science has not yet explored

And where is the place for Allah in this entire system of existence?
 
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Does god himself told you people i am also present in these things so you can please me through worshiping these things,or its just justification of your mind.you people want to please god in your way,but why not in a way that god told you?

Well to maintain common sense, He told us that we can worship Him in whatever form we wish - the only condition being that He must be considered omnipresent and He must be in your mind while you worship Him.

Plus there are no limits to His forms.
 
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:) i dont want to make it purely religion based otherwise there is disagreement on ownership of idiol gods in different parts pf India among hindus.

anyway

no... he is from south india and i am from north still holding valid his points

its other thing he may worship brahma more and I do worship vishnu more.... but we both believe in both of them

There you got your answer Jana !

The Holy Trinity is the same for any Hindu from anywhere in the world and as a Hindu I can safely guarentee that.

The gods we worship by choice may vary,for example one may worship Lord Vishnu as his favourite god and I may worship Lord Karthikeya as my favourite god...But that doesnt mean I dont think Lord Vishnu as my god too.
 
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I have studied bhagvad gita and you will be surprised it has prohibited many practices which are prohibited in our faith and you will be surprised that Hindus in India are practicing many things against the teachings of Bhagvad gita.

The Bhagvad Gita is not the Hindu equivalent of the Bible or the Quran. Hinduism has many religious texts including the Upanishads which are probably the most thorough treatises of Hinduism. You would be surprised to know that many of them ignore the concept of God & a couple of them dismiss the idea entirely as being irrelevant.
 
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thanks for the replies.. i was referring to the fact that no one has ever condemned or condoned this text in where allah and Ram are in one epic!

in fact am surprised that such an amalgamation is possible. I am still trying to find the roots of this amalgamation to understand the context of when and why they had to intertwine these two faiths..

May be Ram is a messenger of Allah.may be not.may be he is one of those 1 lakh plus prophets/messengers which Allah send for guidance of humanity.may be ram is appointed in this region for preaching message of Allah.
Why muslims can't tell decisively ram is prophet or not?
because we have only two sources which can confirm this or deny this.Quran and Hadith(Saying of Prophet Muhammad).in both of them there is no prophet with name is ram.but this does imply that he is not one of one lakh plus prophets.
in short we can't say he was prophet of Allah and neither we can deny.because we don't have enough knowledge/info.

And also for amalgamation you have to understand hindism and hindus.
As for as my understanding goes with hinduism,its very flexible religion,can modify itself with time,in corporate believes of other religions in itself(very proudly).and list goes on.
 
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Don't know what is wrong with you people.
as far as my understanding goes in hinduism almost every thing is god or cast of god or some thing like that.Apparently this is the reason you worship stones(carved in particular shape),animals(monkey,elephant,cow),reptiles(snake) and even human beings(ram,krishan).
just one question:How the creation of god becomes god himself?

Does god himself told you people i am also present in these things so you can please me through worshiping these things,or its just justification of your mind.you people want to please god in your way,but why not in a way that god told you?

ya every atom is made by god and god itself resides in it....

its up to you whome you want to worship... if you are hindu you may create your own god.... you can worship any one and any where because where ever you pray and what ever you pray ..its sure GOD is present there....

you even dont need any idol to worship.... or you can worship your books, musical instruments because god is even there too...

did you get my point??:cool:
 
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ya every atom is made by god and god itself resides in it....

:) everything. from smallest thing to the largest one including earth, skies, galaxies, heaven and hell.

the entire system within understanding of human and beyond it which even the science has not yet explored

subhan allah ,,,,, every atom is made by god and god himself resides in everything from smallest thing to the largest one including earth, skies.....the entire system within understanding of human and beyond it....

the only true path is to become one with god,,,, be it hindu, muslim, sikh, christian,,anyone

how? with true love, devotion, honesty and top of it if god wishes...
 
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Something interesting i received in my email.
@ MODS if this is violating any forum rules please delete it.

Excellent explanation of Hinduism which is not just a religion but way of living life




WHY U R A HINDU....!

Four years ago, I was flying from JFK NY Airport to SFO to attend a meeting at Monterey ,
CA An American girl was sitting on the right side, near window seat.
It indeed was a long journey - it would take nearly seven hours.

I was surprised to see the young girl reading a Bible unusual of young Americans. After some time
she smiled and we had few acquaintances talk.I told her that I am from India

Then suddenly the girl asked: 'What's your faith?' 'What?' I didn't understand the question.

'I mean, what's your religion? Are you a Christian? Or a Muslim?'

'No!' I replied, 'I am neither Christian nor Muslim'.
Apparently she appeared shocked to listen to that. 'Then who are you?' 'I am a Hindu', I said.

She looked at me as if she was seeing a caged animal. She could not understand what I was talking about.

A common man in Europe or US knows about Christianity and Islam, as they are the leading
religions of the world today. But a Hindu, what?

I explained to her - I am born to a Hindu father and Hindu mother. Therefore, I am a Hindu by birth.

'Who is your prophet?' she asked.

'We don't have a prophet,' I replied.
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'What's your Holy Book?'

'We don't have a single Holy Book, but we have hundreds and thousands of philosophical and sacred scriptures,' I replied.

'Oh, come on at least tell me who is your God?'

'What do you mean by that?'

'Like we have Jesus and Muslims have Allah - don't you have a God?'

I thought for a moment. Muslims and Christians believe one God (Male God) who created the world
and takes an interest in the humans who inhabit it. Her mind is conditioned with that kind of belief.

According to her (or anybody who doesn't know about Hinduism), a religion needs to have one Prophet,
one Holy book and one God. The mind is so conditioned and rigidly narrowed down to such a notion that
anything else is not acceptable. I understood her perception and concept about faith. You can't compare
Hinduism with any of the present leading religions where you have to believe in one concept of god..

I tried to explain to her: 'You can believe in one god and he can be a Hindu. You may believe in multiple
deities and still you can be a Hindu. What's more - you may not believe in god at all,
still you can be a Hindu. An atheist can also be a Hindu.'

This sounded very crazy to her.. She couldn't imagine a religion so unorganized, still surviving
for thousands of years, even after onslaught from foreign forces.

'I don't understand but it seems very interesting. Are you religious?'
What can I tell to this American girl?

I said: 'I do not go to temple regularly. I do not make any regular rituals. I have learned some of
the rituals in my younger days. I still enjoy doing it sometimes.'

'Enjoy? Are you not afraid of God?'

'God is a friend. No- I am not afraid of God. Nobody has made any compulsions on me to perform these rituals regularly.'

She thought for a while and then asked: 'Have you ever thought of converting to any other religion?'

'Why should I? Even if I challenge some of the rituals and faith in Hinduism, nobody can convert me
from Hinduism. Because, being a Hindu allows me to think independently and objectively,
without conditioning. I remain as a Hindu never by force,but choice.' I told her that Hinduism is not a religion, but a set of
beliefs and practices. It is not a religion like Christianityor Islam because it is not founded by any one person
or does not have an organized controlling body like the Church or the Order, I added.
There is no institution or authority. 'So, you don't believe in God?' she wanted everything in black and white.

'I didn't say that. I do not discard the divine reality. Our scripture, or Sruthis or Smrithis –
Vedas and Upanishads or the Gita - say God might be there or he might not be there.
But we pray to that supreme abstract authority (Para Brahma) that is the creator of this universe.'

'Why can't you believe in one personal God?'

'We have a concept - abstract - not a personal god. The concept or notion of a personal God, hiding behind the clouds of
secrecy, telling us irrational stories through few men whom he sends as messengers, demanding us to worship him or
punish us, does not make sense. I don't think that God is as silly as an autocratic emperor who wants others to respect him
or fear him.' I told her that such notions are just fancies of less educated human imagination and fallacies,
adding that generally ethnic religious practitioners in Hinduism believe in personal gods.
The entry level Hinduism has over-whelming superstitions too.


The philosophical side of Hinduism negates all superstitions.

'Good that you agree God might exist. You told that you pray. What is your prayer then?'

'Loka Samastha Sukino Bhavantu.. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti,'

'Funny,' she laughed, 'What does it mean?'

'May all the beings in all the worlds be happy. Peace, Peace, Peace..'

'Hmm ..very interesting. I want to learn more about this religion. It is so democratic, broad-minded and free' she exclaimed.

'The fact is Hinduism is a religion of the individual, for the individual and by the individual with its
roots in the Vedas and the Bhagavad-Gita. It is all about an individual approaching a personal
God in an individual way according to his temperament and inner evolution - it is as simple as that.'

'How does anybody convert to Hinduism?'

'Nobody can convert you to Hinduism, because it is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices.
Everything is acceptable in Hinduism because there is no single authority
or organization either to accept it or to reject it or to oppose it on behalf of Hinduism.'

I told her - if you look for meaning in life, don't look for it in religions; don't go from one cult to another or from one guru to the next.

For a real seeker, I told her, the Bible itself gives guidelines when it says ' Kingdom of God is within you.' I reminded
her of Christ's teaching about the love that we have for each other. That is where you can find the meaning of life.

Loving each and every creation of the God is absolute and real. 'Isavasyam idam sarvam' Isam (the God)
is present (inhabits) here everywhere - nothing exists separate from the God, because God is present everywhere.
Respect every living being and non-living things as God. That's what Hinduism teaches you.

Hinduism is referred to as Sanathana Dharma, the eternal faith. It is based on the practice of Dharma, the code of life.
The most important aspect of Hinduism is being truthful to oneself. Hinduism has no monopoly on ideas.-
It is open to all. Hindus believe in one God (not a personal one) expressed in different forms.
For them, God is timeless and formless entity.
Ancestors of today's Hindus believe in eternal truths and cosmic laws and these truths are opened to anyone
who seeks them. But there is a section of Hindus who are either superstitious or turned fanatic to make this
an organized religion like others.. The British coin the word 'Hindu' and considered it as a religion.

I said: 'Religions have become an MLM (multi-level- marketing) industry that has been trying to expand the
market share by conversion. The biggest business in today's world is Spirituality. Hinduism is no exception'

I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa Paramo Dharma' - Non violence
is the highest duty. I am a Hindu because it doesn't conditions my mind with any faith system.
A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion is a fake and does
not value his/her morals, culture and values in life.
 
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Dharmic and Abrahamic religions are not the same, in Abrahamic religions (in my opinion) is always about 'fear' of god and 'submitting to his will'.

In Dharmic religions concept of 'god' is quite abstract. eg: would you call Buddha one of "Allah's messengers" ?

Considering the fact that one of the basic tenets of Buddhism is to deny the existence of a Creator (God) ?
 
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Something interesting i received in my email.
@ MODS if this is violating any forum rules please delete it.

Excellent explanation of Hinduism which is not just a religion but way of living life




WHY U R A HINDU....!

Four years ago, I was flying from JFK NY Airport to SFO to attend a meeting at Monterey ,
CA An American girl was sitting on the right side, near window seat.
It indeed was a long journey - it would take nearly seven hours.

I was surprised to see the young girl reading a Bible unusual of young Americans. After some time
she smiled and we had few acquaintances talk.I told her that I am from India

Then suddenly the girl asked: 'What's your faith?' 'What?' I didn't understand the question.

'I mean, what's your religion? Are you a Christian? Or a Muslim?'

'No!' I replied, 'I am neither Christian nor Muslim'.
Apparently she appeared shocked to listen to that. 'Then who are you?' 'I am a Hindu', I said.

She looked at me as if she was seeing a caged animal. She could not understand what I was talking about.

A common man in Europe or US knows about Christianity and Islam, as they are the leading
religions of the world today. But a Hindu, what?

I explained to her - I am born to a Hindu father and Hindu mother. Therefore, I am a Hindu by birth.

'Who is your prophet?' she asked.

'We don't have a prophet,' I replied.
0A

'What's your Holy Book?'

'We don't have a single Holy Book, but we have hundreds and thousands of philosophical and sacred scriptures,' I replied.

'Oh, come on at least tell me who is your God?'

'What do you mean by that?'

'Like we have Jesus and Muslims have Allah - don't you have a God?'

I thought for a moment. Muslims and Christians believe one God (Male God) who created the world
and takes an interest in the humans who inhabit it. Her mind is conditioned with that kind of belief.

According to her (or anybody who doesn't know about Hinduism), a religion needs to have one Prophet,
one Holy book and one God. The mind is so conditioned and rigidly narrowed down to such a notion that
anything else is not acceptable. I understood her perception and concept about faith. You can't compare
Hinduism with any of the present leading religions where you have to believe in one concept of god..

I tried to explain to her: 'You can believe in one god and he can be a Hindu. You may believe in multiple
deities and still you can be a Hindu. What's more - you may not believe in god at all,
still you can be a Hindu. An atheist can also be a Hindu.'

This sounded very crazy to her.. She couldn't imagine a religion so unorganized, still surviving
for thousands of years, even after onslaught from foreign forces.

'I don't understand but it seems very interesting. Are you religious?'
What can I tell to this American girl?

I said: 'I do not go to temple regularly. I do not make any regular rituals. I have learned some of
the rituals in my younger days. I still enjoy doing it sometimes.'

'Enjoy? Are you not afraid of God?'

'God is a friend. No- I am not afraid of God. Nobody has made any compulsions on me to perform these rituals regularly.'

She thought for a while and then asked: 'Have you ever thought of converting to any other religion?'

'Why should I? Even if I challenge some of the rituals and faith in Hinduism, nobody can convert me
from Hinduism. Because, being a Hindu allows me to think independently and objectively,
without conditioning. I remain as a Hindu never by force,but choice.' I told her that Hinduism is not a religion, but a set of
beliefs and practices. It is not a religion like Christianityor Islam because it is not founded by any one person
or does not have an organized controlling body like the Church or the Order, I added.
There is no institution or authority. 'So, you don't believe in God?' she wanted everything in black and white.

'I didn't say that. I do not discard the divine reality. Our scripture, or Sruthis or Smrithis –
Vedas and Upanishads or the Gita - say God might be there or he might not be there.
But we pray to that supreme abstract authority (Para Brahma) that is the creator of this universe.'

'Why can't you believe in one personal God?'

'We have a concept - abstract - not a personal god. The concept or notion of a personal God, hiding behind the clouds of
secrecy, telling us irrational stories through few men whom he sends as messengers, demanding us to worship him or
punish us, does not make sense. I don't think that God is as silly as an autocratic emperor who wants others to respect him
or fear him.' I told her that such notions are just fancies of less educated human imagination and fallacies,
adding that generally ethnic religious practitioners in Hinduism believe in personal gods.
The entry level Hinduism has over-whelming superstitions too.


The philosophical side of Hinduism negates all superstitions.

'Good that you agree God might exist. You told that you pray. What is your prayer then?'

'Loka Samastha Sukino Bhavantu.. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti,'

'Funny,' she laughed, 'What does it mean?'

'May all the beings in all the worlds be happy. Peace, Peace, Peace..'

'Hmm ..very interesting. I want to learn more about this religion. It is so democratic, broad-minded and free' she exclaimed.

'The fact is Hinduism is a religion of the individual, for the individual and by the individual with its
roots in the Vedas and the Bhagavad-Gita. It is all about an individual approaching a personal
God in an individual way according to his temperament and inner evolution - it is as simple as that.'

'How does anybody convert to Hinduism?'

'Nobody can convert you to Hinduism, because it is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices.
Everything is acceptable in Hinduism because there is no single authority
or organization either to accept it or to reject it or to oppose it on behalf of Hinduism.'

I told her - if you look for meaning in life, don't look for it in religions; don't go from one cult to another or from one guru to the next.

For a real seeker, I told her, the Bible itself gives guidelines when it says ' Kingdom of God is within you.' I reminded
her of Christ's teaching about the love that we have for each other. That is where you can find the meaning of life.

Loving each and every creation of the God is absolute and real. 'Isavasyam idam sarvam' Isam (the God)
is present (inhabits) here everywhere - nothing exists separate from the God, because God is present everywhere.
Respect every living being and non-living things as God. That's what Hinduism teaches you.

Hinduism is referred to as Sanathana Dharma, the eternal faith. It is based on the practice of Dharma, the code of life.
The most important aspect of Hinduism is being truthful to oneself. Hinduism has no monopoly on ideas.-
It is open to all. Hindus believe in one God (not a personal one) expressed in different forms.
For them, God is timeless and formless entity.
Ancestors of today's Hindus believe in eternal truths and cosmic laws and these truths are opened to anyone
who seeks them. But there is a section of Hindus who are either superstitious or turned fanatic to make this
an organized religion like others.. The British coin the word 'Hindu' and considered it as a religion.

I said: 'Religions have become an MLM (multi-level- marketing) industry that has been trying to expand the
market share by conversion. The biggest business in today's world is Spirituality. Hinduism is no exception'

I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa Paramo Dharma' - Non violence
is the highest duty. I am a Hindu because it doesn't conditions my mind with any faith system.
A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion is a fake and does
not value his/her morals, culture and values in life.

excellent post... summary of Hinduism for those who are unknown to Hinduism
 
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