Dialogue Pakistan,India And Afghanistan - 30 october 2014 (ARY News)

[ghilzai]

I believe from people I have met and spoken to, everyone has their own view and mindset but the fact is flocks of your countrymen are in India studying.

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I am a Pakistani Atleast do pay attention.

 

[Yeti]

I am a Pakistani Atleast do pay attention.

Yes so you do not live in Afghanistan as you share the mindset of Pakistanis which consider us as the enemy but the same can not be said for everyone in Afghanistan can it?

 

[ghilzai]

Yes so you do not live in Afghanistan as you share the mindset of Pakistanis which consider us as the enemy but the same can not be said for everyone in Afghanistan can it?

I have a large family across the border, I come from a very large tribe and i can assure you that Afghans carry more hatred towards Indians then Pakistanis do, but pointless discussing it her one has to experience it to believe it.

In Pakistan mostly east of the Indus people dont consider you as an enemy as they happily mingle with you, it's us who are west of the Indus that consider you an enemy and that goes back to beginning of time.

So you see same can't be said for everyone in Pakistan can it?.

 

[Havi Sultan]

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There are some links between Pashtun and Indian society I would like to share. Shahrukh Khan is a Pashtun and has family links in Peshawar. The same is with many people with the surname Khan. That is because there has constantly been a push of Pashtuns into Hind, though usually these Pashtuns formed an elite at that time. Lodhis, Suris, Durranis, Khiljis (Ghilzai is an expert on this tribe) all ruled that land once and to supplement their rule they brought other pashtuns. During the rule of Sher Shah Suri the Pashtuns were forced to have only one and only one profession, either to lead or to be in the military. He visualized Pashtuns as the warriors they were and employed many in his army.

Even though the Mughals were known as sworn enemies, especially by ultra nationalists they employed many soldiers who were of Persian or Pashtun descent. Mahabbat Khan is one such man and others are the governors he made for Bengal.

Did you ever know that a person can be Urdu speaker (I hate that term but again because urdu speakers call themselves that because we are dumb people...) and Pashtun at the same time. Meet the Rohilla Pashtuns. They lived in the Indus and gradually developed identity as Urdu speakers because they lost the gift of Pashto (unfortunate). When partition occurred many left my province UP and came to live in Karachi. My people moved after partition but thats a different tangent.

Anyway so they then adopted the identity of urdu speakers because they did not know Pashto. I guess they just identified more with people who had made a bad decision to call themselves urdu speakers or muhajirs but in any case that is their story.

Many Yousufzai's, Dilazaks, Niazis (at that time they knew pashto rather than seraiki and punjabi) too were in what is now India, particularly UP, though we hold it is our territory:

A yousufzai turned muhajir is a man named Saulat Mirza target killer and mass murderer for the MQM.

There is a geographical location named RohillaKhand in UP. Fatehpur has a huge population of Pashtuns.
Ever heard of people with Khan in their surname? Chances are they are Pashtuns. Oh yes and I forgot the Pataudi's. Saif Ali Khan is from the pathan family of Pataudi nawabs.

However I will also say that ideologically the two people differ. Abdul Ghaffar Khan's ideology did not have much support in Pakistan or Pakhtunkhwa. Even the election that was favorable towards the congress was said to have been rigged.

When Nehru came to Frontier regions or Pakhtunkhwa he was greeted by a mob throwing stones.

@ghilzai, its good to see you again. Lets hope I get my account back so we can have more fruitful discussions. Ethnicity is only a threat when used against the state fabric. Otherwise it deserves to be respected and made to flower into a beautiful amalgamation. It is the Talpurs, Mir Chakar's, Allama Iqbal, Gujjars, Durranis all that make us Pakistanis and that includes our culture becase we are diverse and the culture of each ethnic group brings with it something exotic.

 

[Sugarcane]

Shahrukh Khan is a Pashtun and has family links in Peshawar. The same is with many people with the surname Khan.

He and many other with Khan surname have nothing to do with Pashtuns.

 

[Kaniska]

I expected a lot from this interaction...But you know nothing has happened...Honestly I feel that I am big fan of Swamy, but his role should be limited to internal politics...I find the an civilian person from the Pakistan side ...I fotgot his name, he is the best suitable person to conduct the role...Indian side was completely misrepresented...Neither Swamy not Manisankar represent any amount of public sentiment from India...Swamy is too much of a right wing and Mani is too much of nothing...He is just an useless politician even his party does not listen to him..

Here is my thought about India-Pak-Afgan triangle.

1- If Pakistan beleive that after US withdraws, then India will be out..Then they are in day dreaming mode...First of all US will not be out all together...In a techncial sense, it will pull out its Army, but its impact and representation and hold on the geopolitics of Afgan will be there for another decade.

2- India is simply playing victim card in Afganistan...The best statergy for India to become more popular is to be a victim in Afganistan and try to manipulate public opinion of Afganistan towards anti Pakistan mode...Again, India's main target is to make them more anti pakistan rather than Pro Indian...And i feel India is very much suessful with it as of now.

3- Indian has its presence since 1998 in Afganistan....15 year is a long time to understand the people,mindset and do all the manipulation in politics as well as military wise to play according to the gallery...Without sending any Army, India's target is to increase its soft power inside Afganistan...The more and more Afganistan will be attacked and impacted by Pakistan, India will stand and presented as a contrasting nation with helping hand starting with education, medial, economy and other non military things..

4- Afgann students are in studying in INDIAN university and colleges since last 13 year..This is a generation of student who has seen and influenced by Indian nationhood as a whole...So those kids will be a big asset who are cultivated by India for a long run diplomacy in Afganistan..

So in a nutshell, India has build its foundation and assets inside Afganistan in such a positive way, that even if US goes out, its impact will exists and India will be playing a descisive role to acheive its objective wrt Pakistan and AFganistan,

 

[Havi Sultan]

He and many other with Khan surname have nothing to do with Pashtuns.

Check this out:

 

[jaunty]

Indian side was completely misrepresented...Neither Swamy not Manisankar represent any amount of public sentiment from India...Swamy is too much of a right wing and Mani is too much of nothing

Agreed. None of them are suited for such debates.

 

[Sugarcane]

Check this out:

What i should do with this?

 

[idune]

Here is my thought about India-Pak-Afgan triangle.

There is no india in Pakistan and Afghanistan relation. india does not have any physical connectivity and Afghanistan is not immediate neighbor of india. What india had been done so far spend some money on some corrupt Afghan puppet and used terrorism to draw deceptive attention to itself. Things are changing and perhaps will change for good.

Upset with delay, Kabul shelves request for arms aid from Delhi | The Indian Express

Only Pakistani policymakers can make sure india has no role in Afghanistan and does not allow any sort of transit through Pakistan.

 

[Havi Sultan]

What i should do with this?

Its his family in Peshawar.

 

[KingMamba]

I have a large family across the border, I come from a very large tribe and i can assure you that Afghans carry more hatred towards Indians then Pakistanis do, but pointless discussing it her one has to experience it to believe it.

In Pakistan mostly east of the Indus people dont consider you as an enemy as they happily mingle with you, it's us who are west of the Indus that consider you an enemy and that goes back to beginning of time.

So you see same can't be said for everyone in Pakistan can it?.

Ghilzai yaar I am East Indusi I hate Indians too. Btw welcome back brother.

 

[Sugarcane]

Its his family in Peshawar.

So what, living in Peshawar don't make person Pashtun

 

[Kaniska]

There is no india in Pakistan and Afghanistan relation. india does not have any physical connectivity and Afghanistan is not immediate neighbor of india. What india had been done so far spend some money on some corrupt Afghan puppet and used terrorism to draw deceptive attention to itself. Things are changing and perhaps will change for good.

Upset with delay, Kabul shelves request for arms aid from Delhi | The Indian Express

Only Pakistani policymakers can make sure india has no role in Afghanistan and does not allow any sort of transit through Pakistan.

Its your perception and you are of course entitled with your delusional perception as you like...But having seen and spent 4 year of my engineering degree course the Afganistan students in my engineering college provides me at least better information than what you can even provide to others...

 

[KingMamba]

Indians should not have been invited in said dialogue to begin with.