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Can India's PAD and AAD ABM systems effective against pakistans missiles?

american ABM was unable to stop iraqi scud missile which hit kuwait in 2006 if m not wrong ....

how indians ABM are going to stop our ballistic and cruise missiles :what:


Not sure about the news, is it in 2003? But US only fielded Patriot not full BMD system. Above all they also did not field THAAD in Kuwait. This will allow multi-layer BMD system just like India is developing. You will get multiple chances at different altitude to destroy an incoming BM.
 
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american ABM was unable to stop iraqi scud missile which hit kuwait in 2006 if m not wrong ....

how indians ABM are going to stop our ballistic and cruise missiles :what:
Does it really depend upon the nationality or the technology??Anyways there can be no system which will provide 100% security.But presence of an effective system can reduce the damages to a great extent.Henceforth presence of an ABM systemis better than absence of it.Hope u get the message.
 
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Ever heard of "second-stage interception?" You don't need to wait for a missile to begin re-entry before intercepting it.

Now, the United States, Russia, France, and China are the only states, which can indigenously produce MIRV ICBMS. Of the 4, all of them have successfully tested ABMs. So against Pakistan, sure... But towards those 4, it's pretty much a "Only they can hit you, but you can't hit them." scenario.
Topic of the discussion is Can India's PAD and AAD ABM systems effective against pakistans missiles?.I think u need to keep it in mind before posting.
Anyways India is country that does not believe in waging war against each and every nation in this World.Though it will take necessary steps to defend itself from any potential threat.ABM is just one step towards that.
 
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Not sure about the news, is it in 2003? But US only fielded Patriot not full BMD system. Above all they also did not field THAAD in Kuwait. This will allow multi-layer BMD system just like India is developing. You will get multiple chances at different altitude to destroy an incoming BM.

i dont know how ur ABM gona manage huge inventory of pakistani missiles :what:
 
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how many missiles in your inventory???
come up with a source. not secret info from ISI please and of course not personal experiences.

our inventory is more then urz ;) most of ur ballistic missiles are based on old tech :lol: our all missiles are operational while u guys are still evaluating them :smokin:
 
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our inventory is more then urz ;) most of ur ballistic missiles are based on old tech :lol: our all missiles are operational while u guys are still evaluating them :smokin:

:rofl::rofl:
You sure are smokin that green stuff a lot these days. :smokin:

Stop this nonsense. Ours is more than yours. :rofl: Used to say that in 2nd class in school. Even kids of high school would laugh on your logic.
 
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i dont know how ur ABM gona manage huge inventory of pakistani missiles :what:

BMs are costly to produce. Pakistan must not have 'huge' inventory, neither has India, check it again. Just for example: IAF getting get 250 Akash missiles in two years time. As far as I remember India is establishing production line to build 200 AAD missiles and ~35 Prithvi or say PAD missiles per year. Currently India can build ~10 Agni-II per year.
 
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hahaha internet surfing does not always help....really amusing to see some persons talking about disadvantages of liquid propelled missiles without thinking...:rofl::rofl:
 
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Here's an interesting commentary on India's missile defense by a blogger on Nuclear Dreams:

Pakistan is a stone’s throw away from the Indian border, and as Gopalaswamy in this essay and Mian and others in a more detailed 2003 Science and Global Security article explain, flight time for a missile to reach New Delhi from Pakistan would be about 4-7 mins. What would the Indian authorities do in such a short time? Detecting any such signal and confirming it as a true one would consume all the time needed for authorities to determine it as a hostile missile launch from Pakistan. The detection would be done by the Arrow system that India acquired from Israel that’s located about 200 kms from Delhi. But because of this very short flight time, there would be no time for further deliberation and any response would have to be a predetermined one.

As Mian and his colleagues state in their article, there are two forms which predetermined response could take; civil defense and/or retaliation. Retaliation if at all possible in such a short time would have to be very quick. Retaliation against nuclear-tipped missiles would be very difficult in the boost phase (right after the missile lifts off, which gives the defense about 90 seconds to destroy the missile) and extremely dangerous in the terminal phase (the phase before the missile hits the target during which its destruction could nonetheless cause great damage to the home territory). As both articles state, with such predetermined responses the threat of false alarms and nuclear conflict increases, an assertion borne out by several close calls during the Cold War even when the response time was much longer.

Haq's Musings: India-Pakistan Military Balance
 
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For you liquid = old, outdated tech and solid = deadly missile
But the truth is far from it. Read something about liquid propelled missiles and why rockets are liquid propelled and only cheap rockets are solid propelled.
Not true.

Liquid propelled missiles have much greater control. Its thrust can vary with time and can be increased or decreased or even be stopped in case the mission needs to be aborted.
True.

A solid booster once lit can not stop or change its course.
A booster rocket's, or booster stage's, job is to simply motivate the vehicle. It does not mean steerage mechanisms cannot be installed. It simply mean there is no need to steer the vehicle -- at this time.

Solid fuel can be throttled, not as responsive as liquid fuel, but its output can be modified once its BURN properties are known, as shown below...

Launch of the Titan 3C Solid-Fuel Rocket
This mixture is in the long cylindical casings, strapped each side of the other three stages of the rocket. As it burns from the bottom up, the propellant is packed in different shapes. It gives a high thrust for the first 50 seconds after ignition and then, to reduce structural stress, burns more slowly after lift-off, giving about one-third of the original thrust for the rest of its total of about 2 minute duty.

solid_fuel_thrust.jpg


A solid fuel rocket may be a stage of a larger vehicle, which can be composed of several rockets, or stages. A solid fuel rocket can contain several stages of its own composed of several shapes. Each shape is carefully studied as to its thrust output, from rise to fall. The sequencing of these shapes are important if the flight path itself contains phases. Each stage, or shape, will be ignited by the flame from the previous shape. Inter-stage, or inter-shape, points are where shut-off mechanisms can be installed, but like steerage mechanisms, shut-off devices can be unneeded. So why install them when weight is a penalty?

That is why the first stage of Prithvi is solid and the final stage is liquid propelled.

Your missiles are solid propelled because creating solid propelled missiles is easier and cheaper. Liquid propelled missiles are very complex to build and very expensive too.
At this point of the totality of the flight, to simply motivate the vehicle, a solid fuel first or boost stage is good enough. Once the vehicle is at a certain desired phase, that first or boost stage is nothing but useless weight so it is better to discard it. This begs the question of why would anyone want to use a liquid fuel stage after this...

Liquid-propellant rocket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The advantages and disadvantages of liquid fuel are clearly outlined. For the Prithvi, after boost stage discard, the vehicle would be clearly lightened so the superior throttling, or thrust varying capability, of this fuel would make a reasonable argument as to why it is used. But liquid fuel's maintenance requirements begs the question as to why would anyone want to burden field troops with increased technical tasks?
 
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After over half an hour of searching the internet this is what you come up with.

Agni II is inducted since 2004. Its been 6 years since its in service.
Also do you wonder why Prithvi still uses a liquid stage while we have the tech of solid stage, cause it is suitable for the missile.

For you liquid = old, outdated tech and solid = deadly missile
But the truth is far from it. Read something about liquid propelled missiles and why rockets are liquid propelled and only cheap rockets are solid propelled.

Liquid propelled missiles have much greater control. Its thrust can vary with time and can be increased or decreased or even be stopped in case the mission needs to be aborted.

A solid booster once lit can not stop or change its course. That is why the first stage of Prithvi is solid and the final stage is liquid propelled.

Your missiles are solid propelled because creating solid propelled missiles is easier and cheaper. Liquid propelled missiles are very complex to build and very expensive too.



lol i am not wrong agni was failed in a night test last year :rofl: still this missile is under evaluation n testing phase :lol: ... :rofl:
 
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lol i am not wrong agni was failed in a night test last year :rofl: still this missile is under evaluation n testing phase :lol: ... :rofl:

lol i am not wrong ,Agni 3 is now ready for induction this year.Keep up with the changes man.Why still living in stone age??:blink:

Anyways a missile development process requires lot of testing,many of which may be unsuccessful.The Scientists work upon the shortcomings to make them more accurate,so that it may hit where it hurts the most.:devil::devil: .U see the development process is indegeneous and there may be pitfalls.But it is still better than picking up a ready-made systems ,renaming it and calling it indegeneous development.Hope u get the message:azn:
 
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lol i am not wrong agni was failed in a night test last year :rofl: still this missile is under evaluation n testing phase :lol: ... :rofl:

Agni-2 has many superior technologies. OK, tell us one country whose missiles never failed during development, testing or trial? Failure is an integral part of development. Every time they failed, they came up with a better system.
 
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PAD - AAD can fail to stop missiles as per the law of probability and physics, but its definitly better to have it than not to have.
 
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