Beautiful Response to a Statement "Islam is not Peaceful"

[Abu Zolfiqar]

is Mr. Hassan of Pakistani background -- anyone know?

The snubbing was great too.

he tore them a new one!! but in a very sensible way

the way how it should be done

 

[rubyjackass]

Mehdi Hassan in this case is loud mouth, but utterly lame.

Mehdi Hassan is always a loud mouth. He doesn't support issues based on merit, but blindly supports Islam and then comes up with reasons. I saw him arguing that Burqa should not be banned in the West. Apart from the usual BS about freedoms of life and religion, he says that if a conservative muslim realizes his wife cannot wear burqa outside, he will make her sit in the home forever!! So burqa should not be banned in the west. Only a conniving man can come up with such logic and push so emphatically with the point. In that debate also, he waves his hands and impresses audience with the same vehemence(People like confidence in British debates I guess, they are willing to let any content slide in). You can see this in Doha debate on the topic.

He is not a liberal muslim, but an impostor. I hear people(some of my Hindu friends for example) complaining that muslims demand democracy when they are in minority and that when muslims are in majority they make others live at their mercy. This guy is the poster boy for such fears.

I can easily imagine him debating something like Islam is better than religion X. The only problem is that particular market segment already has big players - the Islamic scholars.

 

[FaujHistorian]

he tore them a new one!! but in a very sensible way

the way how it should be done

he can bark the way he wants but only in a Western democracy.

If he is Iran, or Pakistan, debating with Talib@stards, Mullahs and Ayatullahs,

We know who will get torn apart.

hint. Not the Mullahs and Talib@stards.

peace to you.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

he can bark the way he wants but only in a Western democracy.

If he is Iran, or Pakistan, debating with Talib@stards, Mullahs and Ayatullahs,

We know who will get torn apart.

hint. Not the Mullahs and Talib@stards.

peace to you.

well it's sad that in New York or London or a secular Turkish Republic (with a Muslim majority who are hard working and great human beings) you can practice freely and openly but in some other countries just belonging to a certain "sect" (man-made bull shyt division) can get your head chopped off or get a holy place of worship blown up by a car bomb --- attacks which as i said, are to be blamed on a minority, but one which acts with impunity

so yes, i agree with you





p.s. Mr. Hassan here isn't 'barking' -- he is speaking with respect and not raising his voice; just reasoning

 

[Albatross]

yaara I like your posts.


But this thread is lame. Sorry to say.


People should not participate in discussions such as:


1. Islam is/is not peaceful
2. Hinduism is/is not peaceful
3. Christianity is/is not peaceful



or worse

1. Quran is/is not peaceful
2. Gita is/is not peaceful
3. Bible is/is not peaceful
4. Torah is/is not peaceful


These are concepts and intangible "things", and you cannot associate "actions and reactions" to intangible things.


Pakistani Muslims (or Muslim origin people in the West) are the biggest suckers for such debates

Because we do not know head to foot of a good debate topic, and thus get our nickers in a twist about debates that are useless and in fact harmful to people.

peace to you.

May you live long and prosper

May you have great spiritual experience during this holy month.

Amen

You had a point but it was just spreading some beautiful thing he came across mean I wouldn't have heard such a logicalargument if he dint post it .. He dint say anything bad about any religion its just defending Islam against the propaganda from some schumuks just to cater their own interests ..

well done @RAMPAGE

 

[MilSpec]

 

[shuntmaster]

This is not good.

If you make a mistake, a serious mistake, then you should be held responsible,

and NOT your granpa.

No one should go around and say Oh, Mehdi Hassan is a rapist or bank robber because his granpa was too.

Its a completely wrong analogy. The followers of a religion are expected to see the founder of their respective religion as ideal person and embodiment of what that religion should be. On the other hand, a son need not be the replica of his father.
For Muslims, Mohammed is supposed to be the perfect Muslim man who should be emulated in all aspects of life. The more religious Muslims even dress up and wear body hair like what Mohammed presumably used to.
Ideally Christianity is the embodiment of life of Jesus Christ and his teachings. No Christian can cite an example from life and teachings of Jesus to commit violence. Same goes for Buddha and Buddhists.

 

[Albatross]

For indian trolls who couldnt see someone defending Islam so beautifully with logic and wit @FaujHistorian

This guy won the debate 286/168 and the voters were all from oxford so you can imagine how many of them were muslims but atleast they werent hypocrites like you to just speak to either get some likes or to get a fake feel of being the distinguished one .

 

[Lone]

@Marshmallow ! here u go this is the opponent debater's argument ................................

Really this kind of idiot and mis-informed person is being invited in oxford now a days !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RAMPAGE]

Really this kind of idiot and mis-informed person is being invited in oxford now a days !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

she was a last minute replacement !

 

[Lone]

she was a last minute replacement !

Oh man, this idiot can't even differentiate a Religion and a country. Clearly no nation as a whole represents Islam, rather Islam or any religion represents itself with its essence of teachings, not by the followers always.

 

[pkuser2k12]

For indian trolls who couldnt see someone defending Islam so beautifully with logic and wit @FaujHistorian

This guy won the debate 286/168 and the voters were all from oxford so you can imagine how many of them were muslims but atleast they werent hypocrites like you to just speak to either get some likes or to get a fake feel of being the distinguished one .

5 or 6 Pakistani members here have this problem to just speak to either get some likes or to get a fake feel of being the distinguished

 

[FaujHistorian]

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I wouldn't have heard such a logicalargument [in favor of Islam] if he dint post it ..

Yaaar Albatross,

Religious $hit like all other types, flows downhill, so it would have eventually reached you.

hahahahah


OK Seriously!

@RAMPAGE

is my bro in the virtual world. We do high 5s often. This is why I was very respectful in stating anything that I have said so far in this thread.

Look, if you go back and look at my other posts in the thread, you will understand why I said the way I said it.

peace to you.

May you live long and prosper

May you have great spiritual experience during this holy month.

Amen

 

[RAMPAGE]

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[FaujHistorian]

..... The followers of a religion are expected to see the founder of their respective religion as ideal person and embodiment of what that religion should be.

1. .... Mohammed is supposed to be the perfect Muslim man who should be emulated in all aspects of life. The more religious Muslims even dress up and wear body hair like what Mohammed presumably used to.


2. Ideally Christianity is the embodiment of life of Jesus Christ and his teachings. No Christian can cite an example from life and teachings of Jesus to commit violence.


3. Same goes for Buddha and Buddhists.

My dear bro @shuntmaster

you know I respect you as a person.

I am so glad you brought in Jesus and Buddah alongwith Mohammad.

What you say is a pagan belief system dressed as Islam or Christianity or Bhuddism. when you brought #2 and #3 along with #1.


as an Indian (most likely Hindu) you probably are trained to analyze and view religion from pagan perspective (not trying to prove you wrong per se, I am just pointing out different perspectives here. It is upto you figure out right or wrong).

From your perspective you are not wrong to demand that Mohammad too should be measured against those pagan principles of followership.


Interestingly you are not alone.

many many many Muslims believe in the same pagan principles and thus associate Mohammad to be a perfect personality in every which way possible.

Thus these robots want the rest of us to wear the same shoe style as Mohammad
the same clothing as Mohammad
grow beard of the same length as Mohammad
eat the same food
live in the same style of house
travel in the same style of caravan

and so on and so forth


But the problem is

As per Quran

Mohammad, Jesus, etc. were men. Just men. No sons of God, no direct physical relationship with God no nothing.

Just men,

Pious men.

But not "flawless" men or gods.

God the perfect is just one and he is not Mohammad or Jesus or Bhudda.


I hope you understand now.

Oh and while we are at it.


Even the enemies of Mohammd would agree that he spoke truth and didn't lie
He was trustworthy to the point that people left their valuables with him


Now if Muslims as a whole become the most truthful, the most trustworthy, and the most tolerant, then off course you would be right to find a link between him and modern day Muslims.


But if someone comes to you and asks you to grow foot long beard (with no emphasis on character building, truth and honest, tolerance and refinement)

Believe me

he is asking you to become a Talib@stard

and

he is no Mohammad or Jesus.


I can guarantee that.


peace to you.

May you live long and prosper

May you have great spiritual experience during this holy month.

Amen



p.s. please note that I have not tried to drag in the issues with Christians and Bhuddist doing terrible things in 2013. No, I am just trying to address your original assertion of viewing Mohammad from pagan pov.