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Beautiful Response to a Statement "Islam is not Peaceful"

So, was zero, calculus and what not. Matter of fact "inventions" cannot be associated to a certain culture as that culture might have had it from someone else. Muslim advances in mathematics was the success of their "integration of ideas" into workable calculations and formulas,which helped form modern algorithms,calculus,algebra as well as other scientific fields,they were taken from India,Greece,Romans,Spain,China and other parts of the world. I suggest you read Ibn Batuta's writings.


My point is that the person debating on this point is silly by saying " had Muslim mathematicians " have not done that , we would not have computers today . One way or the other throughout the history inventions and discoveries and integration of ideas has taken place . So if not them , maybe the chinese or greeks or Indians or someone else would have figured it out .

It is not the hinge on which present discoveries and hanging on , though its definitely is a great addition to the knowledge of the world .
 
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People should not participate in discussions such as:


1. Islam is/is not peaceful
2. Hinduism is/is not peaceful
3. Christianity is/is not peaceful

I don't understand you objections. The debate was evidently arranged by some debating society at Oxford, presumably at the behest of its members, and it addresses various claims being made about Islam as a religion. One would wish that Islam wasn't the topic of debate but, current events being what they are, it is.

These claims about Islam will continue to be propagated in the popular media, regardless of whether you consider it to be "worthy" or not to respond to them. This debate gives an opportunity to respond to these claims.

My point is that the person debating on this point is silly by saying " had Muslim mathematicians " have not done that , we would not have computers today . One way or the other throughout the history inventions and discoveries and integration of ideas has taken place . So if not them , maybe the chinese or greeks or Indians or someone else would have figured it out .

It is not the hinge on which present discoveries and hanging on , though its definitely is a great addition to the knowledge of the world .

A lot of things could have happened alternatively. By your logic, we shouldn't give the Greeks or anyone else credit for their contributions, since someone else would surely have come up with those inventions sooner or later.

His point is that Muslims made valuable contributions in the chain of human knowledge.
 
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I don't understand you objections. The debate was evidently arranged by some debating society at Oxford, presumably at the behest of its members, and it addresses various claims being made about Islam as a religion. One would wish that Islam wasn't the topic of debate but, current events being what they are, it is.

These claims about Islam will continue to be propagated in the popular media, regardless of whether you consider it to be "worthy" or not to respond to them. This debate gives an opportunity to respond to these claims.



A lot of things could have happened alternatively. By your logic, we shouldn't give the Greeks or anyone else credit for their contributions, since someone else would surely have come up with those inventions sooner or later.

His point is that Muslims made valuable contributions in the chain of human knowledge.




No one denies that .
But saying without those contributions you won't have Laptops/computers is heavy exaggeration .
Also i am amazed till when will "Golden Age of Islam" be used in debates ?? I don't see greeks or chinese ( or even any religious group) doing that and even if they do , these people beat them by light years .
 
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No one denies that .
But saying without those contributions you won't have Laptops/computers is heavy exaggeration .
Also i am amazed till when will "Golden Age of Islam" be used in debates ?? I don't see greeks or chinese ( or even any religious group) doing that and even if they do , these people beat them by light years .

The motion was about Islam as a religion, implying inherent characteristics of Islamic ideology. His reference to the ancient scientists was not for chest beating, but to provide counter examples refuting the claim that Islam is inherently violent and repressive.
 
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The motion was about Islam as a religion, implying inherent characteristics of Islamic ideology. His reference to the ancient scientists was not for chest beating, but to provide counter examples refuting the claim that Islam is inherently violent and repressive.

yea , i did not listen to the whole debate . But lines regarding computers was funny . maybe looking particularly at it doesn't make sense but maybe looking at a holistic level it might/it might not make sense .
 
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I don't understand you objections. The debate was evidently arranged by some debating society at Oxford, presumably at the behest of its members, and it addresses various claims being made about Islam as a religion. One would wish that Islam wasn't the topic of debate but, current events being what they are, it is.

These claims about Islam will continue to be propagated in the popular media, regardless of whether you consider it to be "worthy" or not to respond to them. This debate gives an opportunity to respond to these claims.

See here lies the utter lack of understanding that is so prevalent among Muslim Intellectuals. you are not alone.

And obviously the debater Mr. Hassan had no fing idea either.


He should have (and every debater has a right to insist on this) established specific contexts, time periods, geography etc. before the debate.

But he did not.

And went in swords clanking, knight in shining armor trying to defend a little woman aka Islam, from the clutches of big bad European rapist.

This was hardly realistic.

While the opposing debaters were pointing to the uncouth behavior of Islamists in 2013 AD,

This poor thang mehdi hassan was lost somewhere in 850 AD frothing and shouting about algorithms that he has no idea about and perhaps never worked on.

I expected an oxford graduate to do better. It is like Indians saying if they had not invented shunni (zeroo), the world today will not have computers. What the f. Human being in some other place would have invented zero.


Oh and the audience being secular europeans, didn't want to come out looking like prejudiced lot, so they voted "Islam fine fine fine just faaaaaaan" and so many of us want to cheer this drama and go back to smoking Islamist hookah.


Oh bhai meray

The problem of 2013 is not that Islam is good or bad. It cannot be. It is just an abstract idea.

The real problem in 2013 is that so many Muslims are using this Islam to justify their uncouth behavior that is very similar to medieval Christians.

From Iran to Afghanistan to Pakistan to Indonesia to Arab countries, million upon million Muslims are beholden to these 2-bit Ayatullahs and Mullahs as if we are all living in 900 AD,

For so many Muslim intellectuals, defending Islam is more important than cleaning up their own house, their own backyards, fully trashed by apes and monkyes that happen to wear and Islamic topi (cap).

And you my dear come on a public forum,

defending all that,

in

the name of Islam.


That's mighty shameful.


peace to you and peace to all.
 
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See here lies the utter lack of understanding that is so prevalent among Muslim Intellectuals. you are not alone.

No, the only one who has lost the plot here is YOU.

The Oxford Union Society set the terms of the debate and the motion was "Islam is peaceful".

Not in AD 2013, not in AD 850, but Islam, the ideology itself.

You can huff and puff and turn your nose up and refuse to debate, but the real world will shrug you off and continue debating anyway.

In the real world, people are making claims about Islam, the religion, from its inception and throughout its history: about its very foundations. The claimants are not constrained by your artificial restrictions, and their claims need to be answered. This debate was precisely the medium to address those claims.
 
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yea , i did not listen to the whole debate . But lines regarding computers was funny . maybe looking particularly at it doesn't make sense but maybe looking at a holistic level it might/it might not make sense .

I have listened to all of the sections of the argument and counter argument.

In his zeal to defend an abstract idea called Islam, he ended up ignoring and in fact supporting the Islamists. And thus lost a chance to win over his opponents aka pretty sane European intellectuals.

Yeah. His reference to computers is utterly false. Something happened in 850 AD, we all know about it.

But comparing the state of mathematics in 850 AD to 2013 AD is like someone claims that

----- if he didn't "invent" donkey cart, then
----- we would not have had airplanes and rockets and space travel in 2013.

Hip hip hurray to the donkey cart

and

Hip hip hurray to the donkey that brays and some people think he is doing mathematics.


pathetic.

No, the only one who has lost the plot here is YOU.

The Oxford Union Society set the terms of the debate and the motion was "Islam is peaceful".
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It is time to not be a robot and get sucked into something which is not correct to begin with.

Either ask the debating society to correct the topic of such debates (like Islamists are peaceful or not)

or

not participate in them

let alone chest thumping on such $tupid events.


peace
 
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It is time to not be a robot and get sucked into something which is not correct to begin with.

Either ask the debating society to correct the topic of such debates (like Islamists are peaceful or not)

or

not participate in them

let alone chest thumping on such $tupid events.


peace

The society picked a topic which is in the mainstream discourse, whether rightly or wrongly, and the topic is about Islam, the religion itself.

What the debaters for the motion were saying is precisely what you and I are saying: that it is the Islamists who are violent, not Islam itself. That there is nothing inherent in the message of Islam that promotes violence.

What you are proposing as the motion (Islamists) is but one of the arguments in the broader debate about Islam.

And we don't have the luxury of not participating in debates. The other side won't stop making their claims and silence from our side will be portrayed as capitulation or acquiescence.
 
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I noticed few posts discussing this off-topic issue. So I can feel free to barge in. :)

... were equal in their innocence,...

They were all humans. ...

Shia & Brailvi & even Wahabis have this belief that Prophets are sin-less. There's no evidence that they provide just conjecture. Quran & Hadees says something else (references below). ALL of them were as human as anyone else, EXCEPT that they were chosen to deliver the message & act it out i.e. demonstrate it. Be a practical example.

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No human is sinless, including Prophets.
Being forgiven is not same as never committing a sin.


Q:7:23:They said: Our Lord! We(Adam & Eve) have wronged ourselves......

Q:26:82:And Who, I ardently hope, will forgive me my(Ibraheem) sin on the Day of Judgment.

Q:38:25:So We forgave him(Dawood) that; and lo! he had access to Our presence and a happy journey's end.

Q:28:16:He said: My Lord! Lo! I(Mosa) have wronged my soul, so forgive me. Then He forgave him.

Q:47:19:So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women.

Q:48:2:That God may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;


It's ONLY that Prophat Muhammad(saw) was forgiven his faults in this world while other Prophets & other humans will have to wait for DOJ(Day of Judjement) for decision on them.

Bukhari:2:19:-
Narated By 'Aisha : Whenever Allah's Apostle ordered the Muslims to do something, he used to order them deeds which were easy for them to do, (according to their strength endurance). They said, "O Allah's Apostle! We are not like you. Allah has forgiven your past and future sins." So Allah's Apostle became angry and it was apparent on his face. He said, "I am the most Allah fearing, and know Allah better than all of you do."

Bukhari:55:577:-
Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "Abraham did not tell a lie except on three occasions."

Bukhari:60:3:-
Narated By Anas : The Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection the Believers will assemble and say, 'Let us ask somebody to intercede for us with our Lord.' So they will go to Adam and say, 'You are the father of all the people, and Allah created you with His Own Hands, and ordered the angels to prostrate to you, and taught you the names of all things; so please intercede for us with your Lord, so that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' Adam will say, 'I am not fit for this (i.e. intercession for you).' Then Adam will remember his sin and feel ashamed thereof. He will say, 'Go to Noah, for he was the first Apostle, Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth.' They will go to him and Noah will say:

'I am not fit for this undertaking.' He will remember his appeal to his Lord to do what he had no knowledge of, then he will feel ashamed thereof and will say, 'Go to the Khalil-r-Rahman (i.e. Abraham).' They will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking. Go to Moses, the slave to whom Allah spoke (directly) and gave him the Torah.' So they will go to him and he will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' and he will mention (his) killing a person who was not a killer, and so he will feel ashamed thereof before his Lord, and he will say, 'Go to Jesus, Allah's Slave, His Apostle and Allah's Word and a Spirit coming from Him. Jesus will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, go to Muhammad the Slave of Allah whose past and future sins were forgiven by Allah.' So they will come to me and I will proceed till I will ask my Lord's Permission and I will be given permission. When I see my Lord, I will fall down in Prostration and He will let me remain in that state as long as He wishes and then I will be addressed.' (Muhammad!) Raise your head. Ask, and your request will be granted; say, and your saying will be listened to; intercede, and your intercession will be accepted.' I will raise my head and praise Allah with a saying (i.e. invocation) He will teach me, and then I will intercede. He will fix a limit for me (to intercede for) whom I will admit into Paradise. Then I will come back again to Allah, and when I see my Lord, the same thing will happen to me. And then I will intercede and Allah will fix a limit for me to intercede whom I will let into Paradise, then I will come back for the third time; and then I will come back for the fourth time, and will say, 'None remains in Hell but those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned (in Hell) and who have been destined to an eternal stay in Hell.' " (The compiler) Abu 'Abdullah said: 'But those whom the Qur'an has imprisoned in Hell,' refers to the Statement of Allah: "They will dwell therein forever." (16.29)

God's Messenger alluded to the latter when `A'isha -- may God be well pleased with her -- upon seeing him spend the night standing in prayer until his feet were swollen, asked him: "O Messenger of God, why do you place such a burden on yourself when God has forgiven you all your sins past and those to come?" He replied: "Should I not be a thankful servant?" (Muslim, "Munafiqun" #79, Tirmidhi, "Salat" #197)






Some like to play around saying that what Prophets did was "Tark-e-Oolaa" & NOT sin... For those with such baseless conjecture>>>

Arabic word for "SIN" is "ذنب"
Pleural is "ذنوب"
Now read Quranic verses 47:19 & 48:2 in Arabic.............



Q:47:19:-
فَاعْلَمْ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَـهَ إِلأاللَّهُ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لِذَنبِكَ وَلِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَـتِ

Q:48:2:-
لِّيَغْفِرَ لَكَ اللَّهُ مَا تَقَدَّمَ مِن ذَنبِكَ وَمَا تَأَخَّرَ وَيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكَ وَيَهْدِيَكَ صِرَطاً مُّسْتَقِيماً



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Prophet himself forbade us from going overboard in praising him ...

Bukhari:Volumn 8, Book 82, Hadith Number 817.
... Then Allah's Apostle said, 'Do not praise me excessively as Jesus, son of Marry was praised, but call me Allah's Slave and His Apostles.' ...


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Prophet even forbade us from praising him over prophet Yunus(Jonah), then why praise him so-much that attribute things to him that belong to GOD only ...

Bukhari:volume:4, Book:55: Hadith Number:624 (also 608, 625, 626)
Narated By 'Abdullah : The Prophet said, "None of you should say that I am better than Yunus (i.e. Jonah) ...... (Explaining this Hadees Dr Israr Ahmad said, Jonah was one prophet who was punished right there & then for his deed by making a fish swallow him...)
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Bukhari:Volumn 004, Book 055, Hadith Number 626.
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Narated By Abu Huraira : Once while a Jew was selling something, he was offered a price that he was not pleased with. So, he said, "No, by Him Who gave Moses superiority over all human beings!" Hearing him, an Ansari man got up and slapped him on the face and said, "You say: By Him Who Gave Moses superiority over all human beings although the Prophet (Muhammad) is present amongst us!" The Jew went to the Prophet and said, "O Abu-l-Qasim! I am under the assurance and contract of security, so what right does so-and-so have to slap me?" The Prophet asked the other, "Why have you slapped". He told him the whole story. The Prophet became angry, till anger appeared on his face, and said, "Don't give superiority to any prophet amongst Allah's Prophets, for when the trumpet will be blown, everyone on the earth and in the heavens will become unconscious except those whom Allah will exempt. The trumpet will be blown for the second time and I will be the first to be resurrected to see Moses holding Allah's Throne. I will not know whether the unconsciousness which Moses received on the Day of Tur has been sufficient for him, or has he got up before me. And I do not say that there is anybody who is better than Yunus bin Matta."


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For indian trolls who couldnt see someone defending Islam so beautifully with logic and wit @FaujHistorian

This guy won the debate 286/168 and the voters were all from oxford so you can imagine how many of them were muslims but atleast they werent hypocrites like you to just speak to either get some likes or to get a fake feel of being the distinguished one .
The point is not that he defended Islam. The point is that he took a position in a debate in which the base question, if looked at logically is as non-sensical as 'This table is peaceful'. The real question should have been 'Is Islam the reason for the current surge of violence in the world'. Talking about a religion in such a long timeline simply helps to obfuscate and distract by pointing out atrocities committed in the name of other religions. But hey look around now.

Which religion is still in the headlines? And who wants it in headlines? Leaders like Obama who wanted it played down because they want to spare their countrymen of violent backlash? or the self-appointed custodians of Islam who demand that the 'other' has to be hated?

And why do these liberated muslims only shout at fellow liberals in liberal countries? Why don't they take the responsibility and take upon the task of freeing the minds of fellow muslims from the extremists? Instead of picking up petty fights in the West about associating terms like Islamist, religious and extremist with muslims, they should show the mirror to the other muslims not stand in the way and show their pretty face to us.

I have heard only one rational argument so far, although unsatisfactory. It says Islam is still young!! I wonder how many centuries it takes for Islam to stop thinking about conquering the world?
 
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Mehdi hasan's oxford speech:A deconstruction by robert spencer


Mehdi Hasan (like so many Islamic supremacist spokesmen) refuses to debate me, so I will debate his recent Oxford Union appearance, in which he argues that Islam is a peaceful religion.

Hasan begins by apologizing to Anne-Marie Waters, one of those who was arguing that Islam was not peaceful. He apologizes for the Bali bombing, the murder of Theo Van Gogh, and more, and then says, voice dripping with irony, "Yes, that was all of us, that was the Qur'an, that was Islam..." The camera cuts to Waters shaking her head, as she is apparently aware that Hasan is indulging in a common rhetorical trick that Islamic supremacists employ: to claim that those who point out that the Qur'an, Sunnah, and Islamic law teach violence against unbelievers are blaming all Muslims collectively for the misdeeds of a few. No one of any significance in this debate actually does this, but it is a slick diversionary tactic. It is, however, completely empty of any real substance. To see why, imagine if a Christian behaved in a way that was merciful and forgiving (hard as that may be to imagine for some), and someone pointed out that Christ taught mercy and forgiveness, so that the Christian's actions accorded with Christ's teaching -- and then the Mehdi Hasan figure in this analogy said, "Oh, you're saying that all Christians are merciful and forgiving." What Hasan is saying here is equally absurd.

Hasan then invokes "the Conservative Prime Minister of the United Kingdom," who he says has declared "these views" to be "anathema." He is apparently referring to Cameron's statement that "there is nothing in Islam that justifies acts of terror." But this is just another rhetorical trick, again devoid of substance. For surely Hasan would not argue that the office of Prime Minister of the United Kingdom confers upon one some special knowledge of Islam. And Cameron is not known for being a scholar of Islam: if a Prime Minister who had studied just as much about Islam as Cameron has, or more, were ever to say that Islam was not a religion of peace, Hasan would not be repeating his views as if they carried weight, but would condemn him for his ignorance. Consequently, this is just an argument from authority, which is the weakest of all arguments -- particularly when the authority in question is not even an authority on the matter at hand.

Hasan then implies that Waters' views would be welcomed by the openly racist British National Party -- again retailing the numbingly familiar charge that opposition to jihad and Islamic supremacism constitutes racism. To that I repeat my numbingly familiar response: what race is jihad terror against innocent civilians again? I keep forgetting. Then we hear about the Muslim who discovered algorithms -- yet another rhetorical trick, since inventions or discoveries by Muslims say nothing one way or another about whether or not Islam is a peaceful religion. Or can one not make mathematical discoveries if one adheres to a religion that teaches warfare?

Hasan also says that there would have been no Renaissance or Reformation (he probably means Enlightenment) in Europe without the role of the Muslim philosophers Avicenna (Ibn Sina) and Averroes (Ibn Rushd). Very well; then why wasn't there a Renaissance or Enlightenment in Muslim countries with Avicenna and Averroes? Because they were condemned as heretics, and philosophical exploration withered in the Islamic world. Al-Ghazali in The Incoherence of the Philosophers argued that the philosophers were heretics who should be put to death. Averroes countered with The Incoherence of the Incoherence, but the damage was done, and it was left to the West to figure out what to do with the algorithms and philosophical discoveries of which Hasan is so proud, while Muslims largely ignored or condemned them. Hasan doesn't touch on that rather obvious fact.

With a great flourish, Hasan then says: "Modern antisemitism in the Middle East was imported from -- finish the sentence? -- Christian, Judeo-Christian Europe, where I believe certain bad things happened to the Jewish people." That Christian antisemitism existed and still exists in some quarters is undeniable. That Christians participated in the Holocaust is undeniable. But Hasan's claim that Islamic antisemitism is an import from Christian Europe is false. The Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, didn't live in Berlin during World War II, make broadcasts for the National Socialists, and raise up a Muslim SS division because he had been influenced by Christian antisemitism. He did all that and more because his Qur'an told him that the Jews were the worst enemies of the Muslims (5:82), were under the curse of Allah (9:30), had been transformed by Allah into apes and pigs (2:63-65; 5:59-60; 7:166); etc. He did it because he read in the Hadith Muhammad saying that the end times would not come until Muslims killed Jews and the Jews hid behind trees, and the trees would cry out, "Oh Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!" (Sahih Muslim 6985). The Qur'an and Hadith are loaded with antisemitic material, and Muslims who believe in the Qur'an and Hadith have behaved in antisemitic ways throughout history. Hasan quoted Thomas Friedman as telling him that if Muslims had controlled Europe, the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. That may be true. The chief drivers of the Holocaust, however, were not Christians, but Social Darwinist atheist materialistic relativists. Christianity doesn't actually teach that mass murder is justified any more than Islam does. The six million might still be alive, however, not because of some Islamic belief in general human dignity -- it has no such belief, but instead teaches that "Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another but harsh to the unbelievers" (Qur'an 48:29). They would be alive in a Muslim Europe because they would be needed to pay the jizya, the tax that historically financed the great Islamic empires. Certainly this is preferable in all respects to mass murder, but it is not quite equivalent to an enlightened belief in the universal dignity of the human person.

Then we get the familiar tu quoque indictments of Christianity: the Crusades, the Inquisition, the anti-Jewish pogroms, etc. Again: even if Christianity were the most evil, hateful and violent belief system on earth, that wouldn't establish anything either way about whether or not Islam is a peaceful religion or not. Of course, Hasan is trying to say that all religions, or at least Christianity, have followers that commit violence in their name, and so no judgments can be made on that basis. And it's true: the question of whether or not Islam is a peaceful religion can only be established by an examination of the canonical texts and teachings of Islam, not by the behavior of individual Muslims (or Christians). That's because one cannot be sure that any individual believer is acting in accord with the teachings of the religion without examining those teachings. When one examines them, one finds that Christians committing violence in the name of Christ were violating the teachings of Christianity, and that Muslims committing violence in the name of Islam were acting in accord with the teachings of the Qur'an and Muhammad. I am sure Mehdi Hasan would disagree with that statement, but he says nothing whatsoever in this video to disprove it. When he invokes the attacks on abortion clinics, he fails to note that there is not a single Church or Christian authority who supports such attacks. Yet some of the leading Muslim clerics worldwide, such as Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, endorse Jew-hatred, jihad violence, jihad-martyrdom suicide attacks, etc. Hasan, of course, does not mention that.

Hasan says that 113 out of the 114 chapters of the Qur'an begin by introducing the god of Islam as a god of mercy and compassion. He doesn't mention that the one chapter that does not, sura 9, is the one that contains the verse of the sword ("slay the pagans wherever you find them" -- 9:5) as well as the verse calling on Muslims to wage war against and subjugate Jews and Christians (9:29). He admits that Islam is not a pacifistic religion, and that the Qur'an contains verses that enjoin war and violence, and says that "a minority of Muslims" take those verses out of context. But he doesn't explain what that context is; instead, he shifts ground to point out that the people who are arguing against his proposition are not experts on Islam, and invokes Robert Pape, who argued that most suicide terror is committed by non-Muslims. Not only is Pape wrong; he's on the dole of Hamas-linked CAIR.

After that comes another familiar charge: that those who argue that Islam is not peaceful are agreeing with jihad terrorists: "Osama bin Laden would be nodding along," he says, to everything that those who argued that Islam was not peaceful had said. This is yet another rhetorical trick, not a real argument. For without establishing that bin Laden is wrong about Islam, which Hasan hasn't done, it's just a kind of guilt-by-association tactic: This evil person believes what you believe, therefore your belief must be wrong. He goes on to say that mainstream Muslims don't agree with bin Laden, but even if that is correct, truth isn't established by a majority vote, either. The question of whether or not bin Laden's actions accord with Islamic teaching can only be established by examining Islamic teaching, not by taking a vote among Muslims who, like all people when they vote, are influenced by a huge variety of factors -- and those factors may not have anything to do with what Islam teaches. Hasan then tried to establish that Islam teaches peace by invoking several Islamic scholars. Embarrassingly for him, one of those whom he invokes is Sheikh Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, who has indeed issued a fatwa against terrorism. He is also a chief framer of Pakistan's notorious blasphemy laws, which have been used to victimize countless Christians in Pakistan. Not exactly a shining example of a peaceful Islamic teacher.

Extrapolating from the teachings of the two scholars he invokes, Hasan says that mainstream Islam doesn't teach that one should go out and "kill people willy-nilly in the high street, or anywhere else, on a bus or a mall, based on verses of the Qur'an that you cherry-picked without any context, any understanding, any interpretation, or any commentary." He doesn't address, however, the point that the Woolwich jihad murderer, Mujahid Adebolajo, said: that the Qur'an tells Muslims to fight those who fight them. He saw Lee Rigby, a soldier who had fought in Afghanistan, not as an innocent non-combatant -- in other words, not as one of the people Hasan is saying that Islam says not to fight -- but as one who was making war against Islam. Is this interpretation correct or not? Hasan doesn't say. He doesn't talk about it at all.

Hasan says shortly thereafter that there are different interpretations of what Sharia is, and that "you empower the extremists" by saying that there is only one version of Sharia. This is yet another familiar claim, advanced by the likes of Reza Aslan and others. It ignores the fact that wherever and whenever Sharia is implemented, be it Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, or elsewhere, it looks pretty much the same: stonings, amputations, death for apostasy, subjugation of women, etc. To claim that it is nebulous beyond definition reminds me of a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party whom I knew in college. She claimed that true communism had never been seen anywhere, not in the Soviet Union, not in Communist China, not anywhere. This was just a dodge in order to avoid having the atrocities of Communist regimes laid at Marxism's feet. So also is Hasan's claim here just a dodge to try to prevent the atrocities of Sharia regimes from being attributed to Sharia. The striking similarities of Sharia regimes across the globe, however, argue against him.

If Islam is what is motivating jihad terrorists, he concludes, "why aren't the rest of us doing it?" This is the crowning point of his case: that "99.99% of Muslims" aren't committing acts of jihad terror. If Islam isn't peaceful, why aren't the vast majority of Muslims behaving violently? But this is an absurd point. The Catholic Church teaches that contraception is sinful. Yet polls consistently show that the vast majority of Catholics use contraception. Does this mean that the Catholic Church doesn't teach that contraception is sinful? No, it simply means that the vast majority of Catholics have other priorities and influences aside from Church authority. So also do most Muslims have other priorities and influences beyond Islamic teaching. Most people of all religions just want to live their lives and be left alone. This is ultimately irrelevant to what Islam teaches.

Hasan concludes by reiterating that to say that Islam is not a peaceful religion would be a manifestation of bigotry. No: the question of whether or not Islam is peaceful is a question of fact. If it is true, it is true. Calling it bigotry doesn't make it any less true.

Mehdi Hasan in this speech has shown himself utterly bereft of any actual arguments to establish that Islam is a religion of peace. No wonder he won't debate me.
 
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