BAF Chief wants high quality combat Aircraft

[Falcon26]

16 will cost 4-5b$

BAF either should just keep yak130

Or

Buy 40-60 single engine aircraft with local MRO
The contenders are j10, jf17, gripen or f16 each comes with it own issues but gripen and f16 are better choices but both will require blessing from india

Saab Gripen will be ideal for Bangladesh.

 

[Destranator]

So guys should we laugh at BAF or blame govt?

Well at least BAF Chief indirectly said that we are wasting time to buy aircraft!

Blame BAF. The PM has given green signal a long time ago.
BAF is too slow and pathetic to push through the civil and military bureaucratic chains.
The PM will not do BAF's job for them.

This chief is honest and means well but he needs to reform BAF fast. Being Hasina's relative, he has a lot more leverage than his predecessors and has the opportunity to go down in history as one of the best chiefs in history if he manages to get a few squadrons ordered.

 

[War Thunder]

BD is not an indian ally and neither does it have territorial ambition against burma.

People who control your nation and get to decide who rules it are "indian allies".

The sooner you can understand the better for the people f BD.

 

[Destranator]

its quite clear from his speech that airforce wants either typhoon or rafale.....but corona'r "mula" amdr pm eti modhdhe jhulay disn....i think 16 typhoons would cost us 2-3 billions with arranmnts nd necessary infrastructure!!

I doubt he would oppose single engine fighters. He needs to play smart and learn how to manipulate suppliers into put in a technically and politically favourable bid. For example, he can get BAL aligned contractors to become local agents of Saab and lobby for Gripens. I don't care if he fills his osn pockets a bit in the process.


BA plays such games all the time. BAF needs to learn such skills.

 

[VikingRaider]

Blame BAF. The PM has given green signal a long time ago.
BAF is too slow and pathetic to push through the civil and military bureaucratic chains.
The PM will not do BAF's job for them.

This chief is honest and means well but he needs to reform BAF fast. Being Hasina's relative, he has a lot more leverage than his predecessors and has the opportunity to go down in history as one of the best chiefs in history if he manages to get a few squadrons ordered.

You have good points Bhai , but we must not forget that PM said the Mula of Corona virus long days ago!

Okay doesn't matter what is the case , we need modern jets and we need it right now.

But we need it to counter India not Myanmar.

 

[Destranator]

You have good points Bhai , but we must not forget that PM said the Mula of Corona virus long days ago!

Okay doesn't matter what is the case , we need modern jets and we need it right now.

But we need it to counter India not Myanmar.

She said what every PM in the world has said regarding corona austerity. She never said no fighter jets. In fact she confirmed fighter procurement recently.

Utter utter gibberish. This is the BAF chief ladies and gentleman who is blaming everyone but himself and his organisation for its failure.

How will the private sector participate in defense sector when the govt maintains a blanket ban?

The likes of this idiot is why BAF is where it is.... all talk, no action, zero vision . The rejects of army and navy ends up in BAF and it is showing painfully.

Agreed. It is BAF's mindset and culture that is flawed and not actual intent.

Like I said guys, let container ships sink and block Chittagong port for 6 months, oil refineries lit and Dhaka airport knocked out then they’ll come to their senses and buy anything. Just wait and pray Burmese monkeys pull a 10 on us

Some times I wish there was a small scale (zero casualty) air strike on BD by another country just for BAF for Bangladeshis to learn a lesson or two.

 

[Destranator]

Chinese PLA's commitment to defend Burma against any foreign power shouldn't be underestimated. China vigorously defends two countries at the international stage unlike anyone else— DPRK and Burma. Just look at the numbers of Chinese veto. Being an Indian ally , BD can not expect the same treatment from the Chinese which also shares land border with Burma. Therefore, competing with Burma in term of military might effectively means competing against PLA. Denying this irrefutable fact is not unusual for armchair generals but BD government high-ups understand this reality without any doubt. On the other hand, military procurements can also mean large chunks of commissions for many people in the developing nations and let them have it. The biggest mistake for any armchair general is to see Burma without the contexts of PLA.

China has a policy of non-interference. Can you provide any references stating that China would defend Burma?

 

[VikingRaider]

She said what every PM in the world has said regarding corona austerity. She never said no fighter jets. In fact she confirmed fighter procurement recently.

Okay so if you entirely put blame on BAF ,then why BAF chief is saying so?

If he has the green signal why he is making delay to purchase aircraft while saying that we need modern aircraft ,what actually is stopping them?

Agreed. It is BAF's mindset and culture that is flawed and not actual intent.

BAF is not unprofessional , even mentally unstable people will not buy the idea that air force is made with amateurs.

So clearly they aren't getting the budget if they didn't get aircraft yet. And Corona could be the classic excuse for not getting the budget ( I will be the happiest person if I am wrong ).

PM herself is defence minister , so how anything can preventing airforce getting the budget?

@Destranator

China has a policy of non-interference. Can you provide any references stating that China would defend Burma?

Isn't China already defending Burma in Rohingya issues?

And they have right reason to protect them , because China has their own interest in Myanmar.

And non-interference policy is actually unrealistic concept. Maybe China won't interfere directly , but indirectly they are doing so.

And what Bangladesh is doing ? Important from Myanmar and also maintaing good relationship with them.

Could it be a Tom and Jerry game?

Delaying buying planes , and preparing for India for the long run , but maintaing friendly relationship with them too?

Don't think so ( I used to think so at past ) , as BAF chief's message is telling different thing!

 

[Michael Corleone]

Any acquisition from western countries would require indian blessing
This is true for pakistan as well..hence why our french avionics and german subs were blocked

Without india blessing bengaldesh will likely not be able to acquire gripen or f16s

Yes j10/jf17 are obviously availed (& so are chinesw subs)

Yeah makes sense.
best would be to source from countries that didn’t win contracts in india... gripen, f16, EFT etc

What is the reason for conflict (?) / mistrust between Burma & Bangladesh? Is there a land dispute?

St. Martin Island and rohyngas...

 

[GumNaam]

@Homo Sapiens ,exactly , and I have been saying the same thing since NRC and CAA days.

That's the reason ,I want to join Chinese block as westerners are allied to India. For the rest of my thoughts,I already expressed all of them in some other posts in the thread.

Because most of them are dumb emotional folks and rest are intellectuals.

They don't live in reality. If any enemy will start attacking , they ( intellectual minded) shall be the front liners who will surrender and accept the slavery , while others will at least try to fight alongside army.

it sounds harsh ,but it's reality.

for the rest of your message , you just said my words. Agree with every word of your message.

Bluntly put, india keeps coming up in the picture and not in a good way...be it China, or Pakistan or Bangladesh or Nepal or Sri Lanka, india keeps coming as the single biggest hurdle to peace & prosperity in the region. simply removing the rss/bjp isn't going to change anything since the congressis have just as hegemonistic ambitions. It is high time that China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka & Nepal commit themselves to removing this hurdle called india once & for all. breaking india in 1947 was not enough, it's time we consolidate regional peace & prosperity by breaking india further down into tiny Bhutan sized mini nations that are not going to be a threat to anyone and are going to behave themselves...

 

[nahtanbob]

If every one would have just done fine then why did USA end up losing thousands of soldiers, trillions of dollars wasted, a million plus civilians killed in Afghanistan with no end in sight?

The issue is not who is doing fine, but that USA has betrayed Pakistan regarding Afghanistan which is an openly acknowledged fact - The facts I have stated are clear: Pakistan was sanctioned, key defense articles blocked, blamed for extremist that USA itself created to fight Soviets, and once interests changed weapons are now blocked to Pakistan but are allowed to its arch enemy India; to date USA has provided no diplomatic support in with India, but India is provided all the support.

Spouting the nonsense of your army generals does not change anything

Look up what the word betrayal is.
" the action of betraying one's country, a group, or a person; treachery "
What is the betrayal exactly here ?

American support to Pakistan and Afghan rebels was to expel the Soviets from Afghanistan. When the Soviets left the mission was completed.

Pakistani Army choose to back religious fanatics over secular groups in Afghanistan and for that matter in Pakistan

It is amazing extremists in Nicaragua, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Cambodia decide to give up weapons and settle down in life. I am supposed to believe Afghans are different.

 

[KaiserX]

I have been hearing of BAFS procurement of fighter jets since the last 20 years. In the meantime they have upgraded some obsolete F7s to BG standards. Burma now has JF17Bs which will remain a major threat to the BAF and the future as well.

Comparing of JF17s vs BAF obsolete MIG29s taking them out very easily....

 

[KaiserX]

Bluntly put, india keeps coming up in the picture and not in a good way...be it China, or Pakistan or Bangladesh or Nepal or Sri Lanka, india keeps coming as the single biggest hurdle to peace & prosperity in the region. simply removing the rss/bjp isn't going to change anything since the congressis have just as hegemonistic ambitions. It is high time that China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka & Nepal commit themselves to removing this hurdle called india once & for all. breaking india in 1947 was not enough, it's time we consolidate regional peace & prosperity by breaking india further down into tiny Bhutan sized mini nations that are not going to be a threat to anyone and are going to behave themselves...

Dont include BD in any way. They are firmly in the HINDUSTANI CAMP and will remain so as long as Hasina (Modis GF) remains in power. There is a reason Pakistan sold Burma JF17s.

 

[SpaceMan18]

She said what every PM in the world has said regarding corona austerity. She never said no fighter jets. In fact she confirmed fighter procurement recently.

Agreed. It is BAF's mindset and culture that is flawed and not actual intent.

Some times I wish there was a small scale (zero casualty) air strike on BD by another country just for BAF for Bangladeshis to learn a lesson or two.

Yeah I wish Myanmar would strike us just so BAF can finally wake up from their BS


We need these fighter NOW , it takes time to make a deal to eventually the company to start making the jet to our pilots training in them to in the end for pilots to mature in the aircarft.

BAF has no time

Dont include BD in any way. They are firmly in the HINDUSTANI CAMP and will remain so as long as Hasina (Modis GF) remains in power. There is a reason Pakistan sold Burma JF17s.

China probably controls the sale of JF-17s lol

 

[VikingRaider]

Yeah I wish Myanmar would strike us just so BAF can finally wake up from their BS

I don't think Myanmar will strike us so easily, other than crossing their border line.

But that doesn't mean that we won't remain prepare , of course we have to be prepared.

But our main goal is India , I can bet in few years ( maybe a decade or two ) India is going to be our main enemy and directly will strike on us.