About martial Arts

[indiatech]

Indian martial arts.

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[The SC]

AS far as traditional fighting systems go , I doubt there is a more complete system than our very own "Kalaripayuttu" , incorporating not just open handed combat , weapon based combat- sticks , long swords , flexible swords ( urumi ) etc but also body massages , healing techniques and a detailed study of the human anatomy , pressure points ( marmam) etc.

Fantastic work Mech for posting the pics :

Here is a documentary on Kalaripayuttu ( Part 1) filmed by Jimmy and Doug , an Iraq war vet and a Math teacher from L.A -- The hosts of a popular show called Fight Quest --dedicated to martial art practices around the globe :

Ninjutsu might be one more complete matrial art.

It is possible to divide ninjutsu to four fundamental categories: taijutsu, ninki (weapons), heiho, and shugyo (religious practices). Taijutsu (lit. body skills) is unarmed fighting techniques divided into kosshijutsu, koppojutsu, dakentaijutsu, jutaijutsu, and taihenjutsu.

Ninjutsu weapons are rather numerous and include conventional weaponry such as short and long swords, naginata, and yari, among others. In addition, there is a large variety of unconventional weapons such as special bladed weapons, concealed weapons, collapsible ladders, floating devices, and many more. It is common among those who practice ninjutsu these days to think that in medieval Japan the goal was to master all aspects and all the techniques associated with ninjutsu. In fact, it was quite the contrary. The aim was at specialization rather than an overall mastership. It is important to remember that being born in medieval or early-modern Japan meant that oneﾕs future depended very much on the family in which one was born--even, or especially if the family did not belong to the samurai class. Thus, those warriors who were skilled in Ninjutsu only specialized in some aspect of ninjutsu, and functioned accordingly within their family. If we look at the famous Iga and Koga regions, we see a few tens of families within which there were the majority of family members who acquired just basic skills, those who specialized in the use of certain weapons or techniques, and those who led the families and specialized in strategy.

Evidently some folks have very little real life experience.

Flowery dances and the like , may be technically scientific , a ninjutsu claw may be a potent weapon in the hands of an experienced practitioner.

Now , lets say we take a real life scenario. A car jacking or a shootout inside a public shopping mall. Can we assume that an ordinary person takes a claw with him to every damn place he goes , or that an "intricately scientific" flowery dance is the first thing that comes to his mind when he sees his young daughter held hostage by an armed thug ?

This is the basic difference between a modern fighting system and traditional forms ---practicality. In modern systems you have no rules , no disqualifications , no rings ( as in typical MMA contests ) . Nothing matters except personal safety within the ambit of the law - which is what distinguishes Krav Maga , Systema , U.S Hand to Hand etc from Traditional forms.

Those with a bit of deeper knowledge will understand that Krav Maga ( for example) incorporates many practical moves from eg Jujitsu ( Groundfighting based) , Taek wondo ( kick defense) , elbow strikes are taken from Muay Thai and so on and so forth.

In short all practical moves are taken and anything unpracticeable discarded which happens to be Flowery dances , exotic kicks ( like 360 degree spin kicks , flying roundhouses etc.) . Such moves look cool on TV but are a no goer in a practical situation.

@The SC : Nice information Mr. Philosopher/Theorist but I would really urge you to step out of your ring into the streets. I 'm sure you will find life drastically different there.

No, but for you an ordinary person brings a gun with him to school or to a shopping mall. what logic are you trying?

Since you are calling on me personally, and showed me that you are a low life, I will wait for you calmly in any dark alley of your choosing and see how "Brave krave" you are.

 

[The SC]

Wing Chun Kung Fu

The Martial Arts style on Wing Chun Kung Fu is Chinese Martial Art that is mostly based on short distance, close range combat techniques and has a few common rules that apply to all of them. The most significant which can be seen in Wing Chun are economization of motion, time and energy and the balance of competing demands.

Due to these principles, Wing Chun is widely considered to be one of the most 'efficient' styles of Kung Fu. Many of the techniques require little amount of energy or movement compared to other styles. For this reason it is a popular style for students with less physical strength. That is not to say that Wing Chun does not require strength, but the moves involved are designed in such a way that strength can be economized.

Wing Chun is pronounced in many ways around the world, which has given rise to its variety of names such as Ving Tsun, however most commonly and in line with Chinese language 'Wing Chun' is the most common classification of this style of Kung Fu.

The popularity that this Martial Art enjoys today is mainly attributed to Bruce Lee. Many of his principles and theories such as "no limits as limits" are at the root of Wing Chun teachings, for example, not being bound by conventional processes and thoughts but rather find a method which is more economical. This is also why it is popular for Wing Chun instructors or high grade students have studied more than one style of Martial Arts.


Although finding a more economical method of carrying out a technique is encouraged in this style, it must be kept within the theories and philosophies of the style. Despite this, much of the curriculum is based around three hand forms (tan, bong, fook), one wooden dummy form, one long pole form and one butterfly knives form.


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The Indian Special Operation forces practice this form of Martial Arts.



A normal person should always train for the street fights coz no one aspires to win a championship.Street fights are quick and very unpredictable.

And i have had the taste of a street fight against 7 guys and trust me its very different than fighting in a do-jo.But if you have the training and the stamina you will come victorious no matter the opponent is 1 or 7.

You are lucky you haven't met a master, he would have given you a dojo lesson on the street, the difference is that the floor is a bit harder.

 

[The SC]

AS far as traditional fighting systems go , I doubt there is a more complete system than our very own "Kalaripayuttu" , incorporating not just open handed combat , weapon based combat- sticks , long swords , flexible swords ( urumi ) etc but also body massages , healing techniques and a detailed study of the human anatomy , pressure points ( marmam) etc.

Fantastic work Mech for posting the pics :

Here is a documentary on Kalaripayuttu ( Part 1) filmed by Jimmy and Doug , an Iraq war vet and a Math teacher from L.A -- The hosts of a popular show called Fight Quest --dedicated to martial art practices around the globe :

Ninjutsu might be one more complete matrial art.

It is possible to divide ninjutsu to four fundamental categories: taijutsu, ninki (weapons), heiho, and shugyo (religious practices). Taijutsu (lit. body skills) is unarmed fighting techniques divided into kosshijutsu, koppojutsu, dakentaijutsu, jutaijutsu, and taihenjutsu.

Ninjutsu weapons are rather numerous and include conventional weaponry such as short and long swords, naginata, and yari, among others. In addition, there is a large variety of unconventional weapons such as special bladed weapons, concealed weapons, collapsible ladders, floating devices, and many more. It is common among those who practice ninjutsu these days to think that in medieval Japan the goal was to master all aspects and all the techniques associated with ninjutsu. In fact, it was quite the contrary. The aim was at specialization rather than an overall mastership. It is important to remember that being born in medieval or early-modern Japan meant that oneﾕs future depended very much on the family in which one was born--even, or especially if the family did not belong to the samurai class. Thus, those warriors who were skilled in Ninjutsu only specialized in some aspect of ninjutsu, and functioned accordingly within their family. If we look at the famous Iga and Koga regions, we see a few tens of families within which there were the majority of family members who acquired just basic skills, those who specialized in the use of certain weapons or techniques, and those who led the families and specialized in strategy.

 

[The SC]

Jeet Kune Do

Jeet Kune Do, or "Way Of The Intercepting Fist" was created by Bruce Lee in 1967. The art is a scientific approach to street fights and is designed to work in real situations. It incorporates the training methods, techniques, combative principles, strategies and philosophies found to be most effective from the many different disciplines and systems that he researched and compiled during his lifetime. Originally centered around a modified form of Wing Chun, the art also blended his ideas on the strategies of Western boxing and the use of principles and tactics from Western Fencing.

The art grew to include what was most efficient, whatever its source. What was taken from various systems was simply modified to fit his needs at the time. Through experimentation and constant practice the art continuously evolved to include all ranges of fighting. Functionality in combat is the most important goal. He felt that a martial artist cant be bound by any single style or method, but should employ what is useful and efficient regardless of its origin, style or method. The ability to adapt to any kind of opponent or situation is critical. As a result he created an art that is non-classical, simple, direct, fast, powerful and deceptive.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

You are lucky you haven't met a master, he would have given you a dojo lesson on the street, the difference is that the floor is a bit harder.

A master wont have brought 7 guys with him..My sensei after the incident told me to be lucky to have had some experience..He said some of us train life long and dont face any action in real life..so i should consider myself lucky to have tasted a real fight.

 

[The SC]

Tai Chi Chuan

Tai Chi Chuan is a Chinese Martial Art which translates as meaning "supreme ultimate fist".

As a style of Chinese Kungfu, Tai Chi Chuan (Taijiquan) is considered a short range fighting system. It utilises strikes, kicks, stamps, locks, throws and trips. From the early 20th century, Tai Chi Chuan has been used as a system of improving health and wellbeing for people across China, and it's popularity in its' homeland has led to it's spread across the globe.

This has led to a general misunderstanding of the nature of Tai Chi Chuan, with many people considering it to be a form of meditative exercise, such as Yoga.

The Chinese style of Tai Chi Chuan is one of the 'Neijia' (Internal) martial arts and it has its roots firmly based in Chinese history, as one of the most acknowledged martial arts forms followed and practiced in current times. The direct translation of this style of martial art means “the supreme ultimate fist” in Mandarin.

The origin of this style is accredited to Zhang Sanfeng, a Taoist monk who lived in the Ming Dynasty (although there are also claims that he lived some 100 years earlier, in the Song or Yuan Dynasty).

The basics of Tai Chi Chuan strongly recognize the power of Yin and Yang coming together. The perfect blend of these two contrasting ideologies is necessary for learning this martial art style. Students of Tai Chi do not rely on muscular strength or trying to "out do" their opponent. Instead, they yield to the greater force of an attacker, and lead that force to its end point, then whilst the opponent's power is spent, they counter attack.


There are a huge number of Tai Chi Chuan practitioners who consider this form to me more of a meditative exercise than a martial art form, whereas there are others who are fascinated by the combat aspects of it. The person who can strike a good balance between the mental as well as physical aspects of this style of martial arts is the one who will be able to make the optimum use of this form. Unlike other hard forms of martial arts, this style has been used as an effective cure for various ailments over the years.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

No, but for you an ordinary person brings a gun with him to school or to a shopping mall. what logic are you trying?
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Read the post again slowly and try comprehending a little this time.

Since you are calling on me personally, and showed me that you are a low life, I will wait for you calmly in any dark alley of your choosing and see how "Brave krave" you are

To answer some childish posts here comparing martial arts in fights, there is no such fantasy, in reality, anyone who fully masters a traditional martial art can defend himself against any other fighting arts.
- your Post

If you are arrogant enough to make your analysis ( which is remarkably flawed not just to me but to several practitioners ) and post your conclusions as the Gospel truth then don't shy away from a personal debate.

No worries in challenging you to a debate on a personal level, isnt it what we are here on the forum to do ? discuss ?

You portraying an opponent in a debate as a "lowlife" makes you look like a real coward.

As far as fighting you in an alleyway is concerned , I have no hesitation at all. Its what I ve trained most of my years for - to protect myself and those around me from thugs. Just remember , the alleyway isn't your practice Dojo and will be different.

 

[russellpeters]

that said the Shaolin Monastery was founded by another south Indian pallava brahmin, Buddhabhadra was his ordained name.

 

[The SC]

Read the post again slowly and try comprehending a little this time.




To answer some childish posts here comparing martial arts in fights, there is no such fantasy, in reality, anyone who fully masters a traditional martial art can defend himself against any other fighting arts.
- your Post

If you are arrogant enough to make your analysis ( which is remarkably flawed not just to me but to several practitioners ) and post your conclusions as the Gospel truth then don't shy away from a personal debate.

No worries in challenging you to a debate on a personal level, isnt it what we are here on the forum to do ? discuss ?

You portraying an opponent in a debate as a "lowlife" makes you look like a real coward.

As far as fighting you in an alleyway is concerned , I have no hesitation at all. Its what I ve trained most of my years for - to protect myself and those around me from thugs. Just remember , the alleyway isn't your practice Dojo and will be different.

Logic is not your thing, so please get away from debates, or fights as a matter of fact.
You are hurt badly and you are not a martial artist, otherwise you wouldn't have started this kind of debate.

I knew a lot of ignorant and arrogant black belts from different styles who have been beaten by street fighters with no martial art background at all, is it the fault of the martial art or the person who practices it with ignorance and with spirit not in-line with martial arts ultimate objectives.
A true master avoids these situations, but in an extreme case he will be able to fight dangerously for the health of arrogant and stupid minds, and we are not talking about dojos here, but something like MMA fights where you can see what a real champion is compared to big mouthed fake martial artists. You need brains two not only Katas and sparing with a partner or two, and mostly experience in real street fights under different conditions.
I'll bet anything, you are a coward, although I do not want to insult you, I do want to show you that your post was provocative and comes from an ignorant mind, as unfortunately most Indian and Jewish postings on different subjects throughout this forum.

 

[The SC]

that said the Shaolin Monastery was founded by another south Indian pallava brahmin, Buddhabhadra was his ordained name.

How come we can not find one trace to India in Shaolin kung fu?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Logic is not your thing, so please get away from debates, or fights as a matter of fact.


I knew a lot of ignorant and arrogant black belts from different styles who have been beaten by street fighters with no martial art background at all, is it the fault of the martial art or the person who practices it with ignorance and with spirit not in-line with martial arts ultimate objectives.

I dont agree with this line.A person who doesnt know any fighting form doesn have a chance of beating a guy with knowledge of a fighting form.

I dont know how they train people in other forms but my Sensei taught me MMA in 3 levels..1st 4 weeks were purely defensive tactics..the next 4 weeks were a mixture of firstly defending and then counter attacking..the next part was purely offensive and no defending...the last few weeks were gun and knife disarming.

I cant see how a guy with no skill of a fighting form can tackle a guy who has the skill and stamina to last.Infact many a time i ask my friends to punch me or kick me and they are clueless how they are unable to even touch me..and this was me playing purely defensive.

The fight i had with those 7 guys who didnt know any fighting form is the biggest example of the fact that a guy like me who is no Master can kick ***** of not 1 but many guys who dont have any knowledge about fighting...LOL i still remeber when i punched one dude on his nose he had no clue what was comming and when it hit he started bleeding like anything...when i hit my second punch to the other guy on his teeth again he had no clue and i could feel his teeth and felt like i have broken his one teeth(didnt have time to ask)...

I wasnt used to this in dojo coz every one knew how to defend and was prepared for most moves you do.Guys with no experience when fighting a martial arts guy should attack in large numbers and together if they want to win.

A true master avoids these situations

Indeed he does.I was told my by Sensei to only fight if there is no option beacuse they dont want people to learn Martial Arts and go on beeting every one they find on the streets unnecesarily.

 

[The SC]

I was talking about street fighters. those guys have experience in fighting on the street.
Most martial artists with enough experience, will beat these guys some how or scare them off depending on the situation.
But some martial artists just do not "have it", they either lack the courage, the technique or have no clue of what a street fight is, and if surprised by an attack they do not know how to respond, so they might try to flee or get beaten.
And we are not even talking about armed street fighters, it is scary when some one is armed and you are not.
So the best thing to do is to avoid these situation, and in an extreme case when you are left with no other choice but to defend yourself or people close to you, a martial artist has always some edge in hand to hand combat, and most of the time how to handle someone with a knife, but against fire arms, you have to be highly specialised to handle such a situation...

 

[Al-zakir]

Korean style.

Taekowndo--Offensive
Hapkido--Defensive.

In my younger days I got involved with Taekwondo because I was amused by it's flying kick. I was good at it. Got few championship trophies.

Later I got involved with Hapkido. It's defensive style art but can disfigure attacker joint if apply on right part of the body.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Logic is not your thing, so please get away from debates, or fights as a matter of fact.
You are hurt badly and you are not a martial artist, otherwise you wouldn't have started this kind of debate.

I knew a lot of ignorant and arrogant black belts from different styles who have been beaten by street fighters with no martial art background at all, is it the fault of the martial art or the person who practices it with ignorance and with spirit not in-line with martial arts ultimate objectives.
A true master avoids these situations, but in an extreme case he will be able to fight dangerously for the health of arrogant and stupid minds, and we are not talking about dojos here, but something like MMA fights where you can see what a real champion is compared to big mouthed fake martial artists. You need brains two not only Katas and sparing with a partner or two, and mostly experience in real street fights under different conditions.
I'll bet anything, you are a coward, although I do not want to insult you, I do want to show you that your post was provocative and comes from an ignorant mind, as unfortunately most Indian and Jewish postings on different subjects throughout this forum.

Everyone on the forum could make out who was a real coward the moment you made me an online challenge to meet me in " any dark alley" of my choosing.

Neither do you have logic nor real life expertise in martial arts. What I am betting is you memorized a number of pages of Info on various East Asian martial arts and are trying ,albeit in a futile and pathetic way to make an impression.

I needn't prove either my bravery or my experience by bragging online so spare me your stupid rants . My last post to you . Carry on sunshine