Would Turks still be despised and blamed by Europeans if they were not Muslim

[Mamadouso]

No because you can see the example in Russia. They were at war with European powers for centuries and carried out brutal slavery & murder of many minorities as the Russian Empire expanded. But generally, despite the Cold War, most average European folk have a soft spot for Russia because they are white & Christian.

A lot of the white supremacists idolise Putin & Russia, and conversely they hate Turks.

 

[KingWest]

No because you can see the example in Russia. They were at war with European powers for centuries and carried out brutal slavery & murder of many minorities as the Russian Empire expanded. But generally, despite the Cold War, most average European folk have a soft spot for Russia because they are white & Christian.

A lot of the white supremacists idolise Putin & Russia, and conversely they hate Turks.

Thats because the Russian propaganda machine is running strong today. Try to look at it from a more historic standpoint. Russians are always portrayed in the west as bad/gangsters/criminals.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

#Crusades

It’s mostly religious, which may bleed into racism. They are ok with Hungarians and Ashkenazi Jews who are Mongol-Hun origin.

It is the same way how UK is more tolerant of Indian Hindus and Sikhs, but view Pakistanis as a threat.

Islamophobia has been a staple of European or European origin people since the imperial era as they basically rose up in a time when the previous great Muslim empires were declining.

The muslims were a superpower and a superior people at that time(they were humble not stuck up like America for most part.)

The Europeans of the time were not considered civilised, they didn't know how to cook very well using spices and condiments etc. Reading and writing was also a big problem for Europeans. You can read about all this in a book called The House of Wisdom by Johnathan Lyons. The Europeans were at that time where the muslims are today. Lacking in education, technological progress, research and resources etc etc

Probably the reason behind low Muslim-Italian marriages.

My guess is they would still be consider to have 'Arab DNA'.

I make mention of this because Italians are not liked by neo-nazis in Europe because we are supposed to be all the product of Arabs raping Italian women. And this is so far from the truth, even Sicily (ruled by the Arabs) has very, very, very low Arab ancestry (and I am not talking about Middle Eastern admixture for nearly everyone in the Central to Eastern Med has migratory Bronze and Iron Age ancestry from the Greeks and Roman Empire). The Greeks came from just north of Iran and that gets picked up as Middle Eastern.

The Europeans are from the proto-Turks (R1) and despise Anatolian Turks (who are mainly Greek Muslims) for being Turks.

The European far-right is comedy.

No because you can see the example in Russia. They were at war with European powers for centuries and carried out brutal slavery & murder of many minorities as the Russian Empire expanded. But generally, despite the Cold War, most average European folk have a soft spot for Russia because they are white & Christian.

A lot of the white supremacists idolise Putin & Russia, and conversely they hate Turks.

I don't know what it is in having white skin that makes people feel superior. Maybe I don't have it that's why I don't understand.

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

Europeans can eventually get round to tolerance of race, even though they would still keep non-whites at arm's length. They can however never even contemplate tolerating Islam.

Prince Philip begrudgingly accepted Meghan Markle into his family through gritted teeth. As for Meghan's hubby's mother and her boyfriend though once upon a time in Paris...

Respectfully disagree. The common European man/woman(western europeans, not the former iron curtain countries) is more accepting of us than we are of them. If they find common cause beyond the EU, they will become a melting pot like Canada.

 

[Humble Analyst]

I think they will be but not as much.

 

[zectech]

#Crusades


The muslims were a superpower and a superior people at that time(they were humble not stuck up like America for most part.)

The Europeans of the time were not considered civilised, they didn't know how to cook very well using spices and condiments etc. Reading and writing was also a big problem for Europeans. You can read about all this in a book called The House of Wisdom by Johnathan Lyons. The Europeans were at that time where the muslims are today. Lacking in education, technological progress, research and resources etc etc

Probably the reason behind low Muslim-Italian marriages.



I don't know what it is in having white skin that makes people feel superior. Maybe I don't have it that's why I don't understand.

What was so funny is nearly everything the neo-nazis racists and their racist fake scientists from the 19th century hated... turns out the racists are what they once (and still do) hate. They hate Mongoloid Asians, the neo-nazis descend from Mongoloid Asians. They hate black skin, the neo-nazis descend from and are still cousin to dark skinned Papuans and Negritos. The neo-nazis hate Turks, they are descended from proto-Turks.

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

Its seems to me the hatred of Turks is more of racial hate than religious one thoughts

Yeah I think so too. Because despite the fact that Syrian Refugees are the number one cause of rapes in Europe right now you barely see any hatred towards them. Whereas Turks receive the bulk of the hatred. The reason? Because historically we were the biggest threat to Europe and we still hold the lands which they want.

The fact is that the west supports the Arabs and the Kurds. They give them weapons and support. If we look back in time the alliance between the Arabs and the west runs deep. The Byzantines had made a deal with the Arabs. Part of this deal was to Islamify and thus Arabize the Turks. This would pacify the greatest threat to European civilization - the Turkic people who had haunted them since long ago.

People need to realise that religions were, even in earlier times, nothing but a tool for controlling populations. Yes there were many leaders who believed in their religion. However they would often twist it to their desire in order to control their populous. More importantly religions were used as a way of assimilation. So it's not a surprise that the west striked a deal with Muslims in order to convert the Turks.

Although they succeeded in converting us they didn't fully destroy our culture. They only slowed us down. After capturing city after city the Europeans had felt hopeless. So instead of looking east they looked west. Towards the Atlantic. And instead of looking to religion they began their quest for scientific knowledge. Us Turks had unintentionally started the renaissance. Once the Europeans realised the importance of science and innovation they also came to the realization that religion can be used to subdue their enemies. So they had sent men to the middle east hundreds of years ago in order to make sure that the Ottoman empire doesn't have a renaissance of its own. If anybody had tried to innovate or spread scientific thought they would get assassinated.

They had kept it like this until the early 20th century when the British had started the Arab revolt. They even tried to reduce Turkey into a small state which bordered the black sea. They again used religious fanatics in order to subue any opposition to the Sevres agreement.

So if you ask me I think that the west loves Arabs and religious Turks. Reason? They have been good tools for the west. The West's hatred is Towards Kemalists and Turkists. Don't forget that Ataturk was the only Ottoman general to have never lost a battle and he is also the one who had absolutely destroyed the British plan for Anatolia.

 

[nahtanbob]

It’s mostly religious, which may bleed into racism. They are ok with Hungarians and Ashkenazi Jews who are Mongol-Hun origin.

It is the same way how UK is more tolerant of Indian Hindus and Sikhs, but view Pakistanis as a threat.

Islamophobia has been a staple of European or European origin people since the imperial era as they basically rose up in a time when the previous great Muslim empires were declining.

When was the last time Huns pilaged anything in Europe ?

The thing about Turks, and why the world always will fear a strong Turkey has not a lot to do with religion. It has to do with the Turkic World. If Turkey gets stronger, they will be able to absorb Azarbeidjan. Knowing this, Iran has a lot to lose in their Northern provinces. Furthermore, a strong Turkey can gain easy control of central asia. And thus this is against Russias interest because Turkey will be able to get a foot in Russias soft underbelly (this explains Stalins moves in these countries). Even more, China will face difficulties in their Xianjan provinces in such a case and will be vulnorable in the West.

Hitler also stated that one of the biggest threats to Germany was a Turkey that was in control of Azarbaidjan.

If Turkey can ever control central asia, the worlds most important regions will be in Turkeys hands and as such Turkey will be the strongest country in the whole region. Thus it is also easy to see why the West is against this. If Turks where a stand alone people with no brethren in the neighbouring countries, other powers would have nothing to fear and Turkey would be left more or less alone. Religion has not much to do with it in my eyes.

What makes Turks think that all Turkic peoples want to live under Ankara rule ?

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

The poll and the thread title is unfair and misleading; otherwise, Arabs and The ''west'' would not have co-operated against the Turks in WW1 or now.

The same coin with different sides...

 

[KingWest]

What makes Turks think that all Turkic peoples want to live under Ankara rule ?

Its not a question of others living under someone elses rule. Turkic people are one of the most related people to each other there are. If you look at their history it is only natural for them to work closer together. Obviously, since Turkey has the most inhabitants, is the most developed Turkic country and the Oguz branch is also the branch with the most people, the Turkish from Turkey will have the most influence in these regions. You can already see this in Azerbeidjan where the people there are slowly taking over the Istanbul accent. So because Turkey has both the most soft and hard power in the Turkic world, Ankara has the most chances to achieve something political like a union for instance.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Turkish folks can’t be anything other than the Muslims with the highest standards of Edep and Haya with an insatiable thirst to drink the Sherbet-i Shehadet in the Meydan-i Jenk spread over the entire known world!!! The question in this thread is oxymoronic for the Serdar-i Mujahit on a 24/7 “Hodri Meydan” mode!!!

 

[Nein]

To be honest the Turkic invasions of Europe happened long before the Turks became Muslim like the Huns, Avars, Bulgars and the Khazars.

Atilla was a reviled figure.

Hate of Turks is both religious and racial. Because the Turks were an Islamic Superpower literally stopped numerous european conquests of the Islamic World many times not to mention they striked at the heart of Europe which is Vienna.

Despite the gradual weakening of the Ottoman Empire they were still a formidable force until its collapse after world war 1.

My answer is basically yes and no. Turks are hated because they kicked European *** numerous times not mention the dark propaganda done against them centuries before modern media.

White supremacists and white nationalists dont like competition especially if its from non whites and non europeans. Not to mention Turks enslaved a lot of white people. Tell this to every white supremacist they get triggered.

Either way europeans now try to spread propaganda that we are not Turks but Arabs and the Turks countered it with KaraBoga.

 

[nahtanbob]

Yeah I think so too. Because despite the fact that Syrian Refugees are the number one cause of rapes in Europe right now you barely see any hatred towards them. Whereas Turks receive the bulk of the hatred. The reason? Because historically we were the biggest threat to Europe and we still hold the lands which they want.

The fact is that the west supports the Arabs and the Kurds. They give them weapons and support. If we look back in time the alliance between the Arabs and the west runs deep. The Byzantines had made a deal with the Arabs. Part of this deal was to Islamify and thus Arabize the Turks. This would pacify the greatest threat to European civilization - the Turkic people who had haunted them since long ago.

People need to realise that religions were, even in earlier times, nothing but a tool for controlling populations. Yes there were many leaders who believed in their religion. However they would often twist it to their desire in order to control their populous. More importantly religions were used as a way of assimilation. So it's not a surprise that the west striked a deal with Muslims in order to convert the Turks.

Although they succeeded in converting us they didn't fully destroy our culture. They only slowed us down. After capturing city after city the Europeans had felt hopeless. So instead of looking east they looked west. Towards the Atlantic. And instead of looking to religion they began their quest for scientific knowledge. Us Turks had unintentionally started the renaissance. Once the Europeans realised the importance of science and innovation they also came to the realization that religion can be used to subdue their enemies. So they had sent men to the middle east hundreds of years ago in order to make sure that the Ottoman empire doesn't have a renaissance of its own. If anybody had tried to innovate or spread scientific thought they would get assassinated.

They had kept it like this until the early 20th century when the British had started the Arab revolt. They even tried to reduce Turkey into a small state which bordered the black sea. They again used religious fanatics in order to subue any opposition to the Sevres agreement.

So if you ask me I think that the west loves Arabs and religious Turks. Reason? They have been good tools for the west. The West's hatred is Towards Kemalists and Turkists. Don't forget that Ataturk was the only Ottoman general to have never lost a battle and he is also the one who had absolutely destroyed the British plan for Anatolia.

That should make Erdogan a darling of the West

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

That should make Erdogan a darling of the West

Well the west did put him to power. That's for sure.

 

[nahtanbob]

Well the west did put him to power. That's for sure.

is that really true ?