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Wolf warrior 2 is a big hit in Vietnam, as well as the other Chinese dramas you guys have dubbed for over 50 years
More like Rambo killing Vietnamese
'Wolf Warrior 2' earns $500m, breaks box office record
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It is just a commercial movie for gods sake, he did't say he was shooting a training video for delta force or navy seal, and nobody was expecting that either. The box office has proved that he did damn good a job, and I am sure he now has enough money to hire a few Ex US Special Op soldiers in his next plot, and a few of people like you in the boot camp, along with a couple of Hollywood studios?
Every movie goer knows "Superman Don't Fly" and "Chuck Norris Can't Fight". Your obsession is beyond comprehension.
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First of all, just because a movie make money, that does not mean it is a good movie, a lot of movie have mediocre rating earn money, and even so, that does not mean I have to like it, and as I said, I have my own opinion about movie, I don't like particular type of movie and movie that under played, I don't really care if it earn over billions, when I don't like it, I don't like it, just as I don't like Avatar, or Lord of the Ring, or All Fast and the Furious movie.
Second of all, 700 millions is not a big number in movie business. A lot of movie earn that much, yes, it may have been a milestone in China, but that is hardly anything anyone had not seen in any way, sort or form.
And here is the bit I don't get, as you said, this is a movie (Commercial or not is irreverent), when a movie come on line, some people is going to like it, some people are bound not to like it. I have my own standard, you have yours, so, what I don't understand is why you have to badger me here about why I don't like this movie? I did not badger you about why you like this movie now, aren't I? The thing is, if you go to see Jurassic Park and they use match stick figure to play out the whole movie, if you like it, you like it, I won't challenge you why you like it, but why you challenge me on why I don't like it?
I have already said, probably a few time already, if you like nationalism and patriotic is a thing for you, you will like this movie, if you are not a telegraph reader and you have no interest in Chinese Patriotism and not the flag waving type, this movie would not make sense for you, what more do you want me to say? That people have to like it regardless??
As I said, this is a personal preference, if you are okay with mediocre acting and minimum training, that's your standard being too low, that's not my standard being too high or *** you called it, an obsession. I was a soldier, I don't like people play a soldier and did not do a good job, in this case, a half-*** job, for me and for many soldier, that is an insult, I don't like it is I don't like it, I did not force people to not like it, as I said, you get it, then you get it, if you don't then you don't. If everybody have to like movies because we all know movie is a movie and "Superman don't fly" or "Chuck Norris don't fight" then I guess there are no point having film critic then. Maybe you should tell them they should all be out of the job.
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Personally, I have not watched this movie, so I am not going to make any comment on the movie itself. I was just amazed about the size of its box office and its potential impact on Hollywood. Nobody is saying that the movie can't criticized, there are in fact many in China, and you are certainly entitled to you opinion as an ex US soldier.
The problem is you are trying way too hard in belittling Wu and his movie, as if you represented the "gold standard" of US special force, by which all military (and all action movies) around the would should be judged. Just wondering if you have been a Hollywood movie critic, or you just love to nit-pick on anything Chinese?
Oh wow now our wiki kids aren't just internet marines, strategists, aerospace/aeronautical/army/automotive/rocket/construction engineers, construction managers, business managers, computer/nuclear scientist/physicist, economic/business analyst, diplomats, historians with a summa cum laude at anything but also "highly rated" movie directors and publisher
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Personally, I have not watched this movie, so I am not going to make any comment on the movie itself. I was just amazed about the size of its box office and its potential impact on Hollywood. Nobody is saying that the movie can't criticized, there are in fact many in China, and you are certainly entitled to you opinion as an ex US soldier.
The problem is you are trying way too hard in belittling Wu and his movie, as if you represented the "gold standard" of US special force, by which all military (and all action movies) around the would should be judged. Just wondering if you have been a Hollywood movie critic, or you just love to nit-pick on anything Chinese?
I think beside you have never watched the movie, you also have never watch my first comment, which is my review after I saw this movie illegally online. I write that post because some Pakistani-Swedish asking wanted to see this movie, and I give him my opinion, HONEST opinion.
There are two selling point of a movie, plot and acting, that's common for any movie, without either, you sold nothing, it would just be a man (or girl, being gender unbiased) moving around on the screen if you do not have both plot and acting. So, that is the things I wrote about this movie, plot and acting.
plot wise, there are nothing that haven't been reused as a plotline by a series of Hollywood movie, just replace some of the character of these Hollywood Movie to Chinese, you will get the plot. If you watched tears in the sun (A movie with Bruce Willis which focus on a US Navy Seal team evacuate 2 French doctor ended up fighting for the life of a whole African Village. Did it sound familiar?), Taken (Former CIA/Special Force member played by Liam Neeson who went overseas in search of his daughter, which have a similar plot with Wolf Warrior 2 just replacing daughter with wife), and that is the main theme of the movie, the action was "influence" (not gonna say copy, by giving you the benefit of the doubt) by Hollywood movie or TV along the line in Die Hard, Strike Back, The Expandable and so on. So for the plot, it was nothing new, it is not, NOT a unique story, its a combination of plotline from several Hollywood Film.
For acting, an actor have to be believable that he is acting his role accordingly, and in this case, the criticize is, Wu does not act his role believable, it's like you are asking Jackie Chan to play a special force soldier, the reason why Jackie Chan only do Kung Fu Action but not much gun scene is because, as he say so himself, he is not good with a gun, so you will not see him use one in his film often, therefore, no one can criticize him, because there are no such thing. When Wu uses a firearm, you can see his stiffness, and his control is not even at a level that would be taught by Weekend Warrior. When you look at the movie, it's believable that Wu is an airsoft player, trying to do his best in the worse situation. Here below is a 2 minutes Gun Fight Scene in a TV Series called Strike Back (British TV, NOT US TV)
I once work in this production (not in this series I show you) they have a budget of if I remember correctly, 5 millions pound (around 8 millions USD) for a 10 part TV series. Which is high in TV level but not in movie block buster level, these people, men and women played the part play like they are working as a team (even tho they aren't because 2 of them are British, 1 of them is American and 1 of them is Israeli) and that will give you the sense of they are working. And even if one of them failed at acting, you won't notice because they show you what a team looks like, and sometime one of the team member fail.
Now I cannot show you the clip of Wolf Warrior 2 but if you go see that, you will know a lot of action is Wu, alone. That mean the whole focus is on him, everyone else is secondary. Meaning, if Wu is bad, the whole film is bad. And there are nothing worse than try to play something you don't act like it. There are no other word for it, it's simply just bad. And since there are no cheap ticket in movie, just because your budget is 30 millions, doesn't mean I pay less to see that movie, so every movie is being judged by the same standard. Be it a movie with 100k Budget, 30 millions budget or like Die Hard with 100 millions budget.
Are there some good film moment in it? Yes, but those were also let down by the bad moment I saw as a deficient. and Wu, as an actor and director should know his place, if he have focus more in melee action, I would say this movie is not bad, but he show his bad side by putting himself in a situation he is not familiarized with. If that is not being bad, then I don't know what is
I have nothing against Wu and this movie, I said what I felt after watching this movie. I was not involved in this production so why should I care if they bomb or hit? And to answer your question, I also hated "fake" Hollywood action, and particular movie. I hated Pearl Harbor, they are being too fake, the thin red line, for being too boring, and the war scene is simply, crap, I don't like Avatar, because, well, I don't get it. If I don't like a movie, I don't like a movie, you like it, you like it, not no way I would challenge why you like it, everybody have different taste about movie, you like mediocre action movie that neither having a unique plot and credible action, that's your business, I would say your standard is too low but yes I did accept that as a fact by saying, in my very first post, if you like to watch movie and kill time, this movie is for you. This is what I said in my first post.
But I guess since I was labelled as Anti-China (which although have nothing to do with this movie) I am being an hard-arse and obsessed with Wu's bad acting. So, when I said that (The Quote Above), nobody cares. Right?
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Wolf Warrior 2 now at the 100th top grossing movie of all time ( this is raw not adjusted for inflation)
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
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So, you are saying,
Only "highly rated" movie directors and publisher can post what he think about movie?
Then SHOULD WE ALL SHUT UP AND HAVE THIS POST DELETED? BECAUSE NONE OF US ARE HIGHLY RATED MOVIE DIRECTORS.
And yes, I directed and produced movie. So? The trailer of the movie I directed have 36k view on you tube, on a budget of $1,200, do you want a link so I can show you? In fact, I am shooting another movie this Friday as a director and fight coordinator. So? What does that have to do with anything? This is an open forum, you have your opinion, and I have mine, if I have to be "Highly rated" movie director to post, then how about you? Beside, I never said I was a highly rated director ever on this forum, and I never said I was a Marine.
So, if for you, you have to beinternet marines, strategists, aerospace/aeronautical/army/automotive/rocket/construction engineers, construction managers, business managers, computer/nuclear scientist/physicist, economic/business analyst, diplomats, historians with a summa cum laude at anything
Should you be the first to shut up?
Kind of stupid now, don't you think?
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This is true.
I was on the F-111 when Top Gun came out. Cruise and company were very believable as far as how pilots ( Type A ) interacts with each other. Busting balls is the norm and if you cannot handle the often personal jabs, you got no bidness being in the military. There were instances where the movie took it too far regarding the animosity between Iceman and Maverick, but we brushed it off as creative licenses in order to make the storytelling effective.
The leather jacket festooned with patches ? Most do not have, but some trying to impress the girls do have such jackets. Motorcycles ? More HD than rice rockets, but a sports car is the preferred.
Cool call signs like 'Iceman' and 'Maverick' ? Absolutely NOT. You are christened by your mates regarding call signs and they will work hard to find uncool ones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Malachowski
Her call sign was 'Fifi'. You would think that is sexist considering 'Fifi' is often a name for a dog, usually a French poodle. But what happened was she once made a cockpit mistake and she cursed at herself -- on open mic -- as 'F-cking idiot, f-cking idiot'. So 'Fifi' stuck. Call signs are %99.999 from a major body part, an accident/mistake you make, an offshoot of your name, or an embarrassing event with you at center, but practically never something like 'Iceman' or 'Maverick'.
But for all the things that we could pick off, the actors were believable ENOUGH as fighter pilots. The key words are 'enough' and 'passable'. I am only a weekend shooter, my preference is pistol over rifle, so I will leave that part up to those who handles guns more regularly.
Over the yrs, I watched a few China/HK movies and to me, the non-action dramas have the highest quality acting and it is a shame that such Asian actors are not recognized by Hollywood. Maybe these talents are not interested in being in Western movies, I do not know, and probably Hollywood biases is a major factor, but as far as the first Wolf Warriors movie goes, it was not good enough to keep.
A lot of actors goes thru some form of 'basic training' that includes firearms familiarization that runs for a few weeks, not just days. And often the entire cast does it together. If Wu is that obviously not very smooth with his movie weapons, looks like Chinese military action cinema have some ways to go.
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what you said remind me of a question someone ask me when I was still in the service, who make the dialogue of the RTO (Radio Telephone Operator) now called ROM. How the dialogue being made, how call sign being made and so on
When you watch movie like "Platoon" let's say. A there are a lot of Radio Call to and from the Platoon and Support Element and other Platoon or Headquarter. And we used to joke about how inaccurate Radio Communication is in movie. A lot tried to get the perfect match, but none came close, the only movie I ever, EVER watched to have Grade A Dialogue is Hamburger Hill. That is because Radio Operation is one of the most complex and important area in battle, you need to communicate clearly in order to be able to function as a unit. And most movie would just have what we called "One way Dialogue" which is you tell whatever the other side what you want. And the other party simply complied and give you want you want.
Problem is, it's not exactly like this in real-life, every transmission is logged and repeat, every question you want to ask you put a break in between message, you don't just butt in like many movie do, that because to ensure the instruction communicated properly, both side need to know what is being said on the radio. Otherwise something called Confusion set in, and in war (Actual war, not movie war), there are nothing but confusion.
So, for example. to call a Medivac in NATO country, you follow a standard called 9-liner
And here is a sample script
Line 1. Location of the pick-up site.
Line 2. Radio frequency, call sign, and suffix.
Line 3. Number of patients by precedence:
A - Urgent
B - Urgent Surgical
C - Priority
D - Routine
E - Convenience
Line 4. Special equipment required:
A - None
B - Hoist
C - Extraction equipment
D - Ventilator
Line 5. Number of patients:
A - Litter
B - Ambulatory
Line 6. Security at pick-up site:
N - No enemy troops in area
P - Possible enemy troops in area (approach with caution)
E - Enemy troops in area (approach with caution)
X - Enemy troops in area (armed escort required)
* In peacetime - number and types of wounds, injuries, and illnesses
Line 7. Method of marking pick-up site:
A - Panels
B - Pyrotechnic signal
C - Smoke signal
D - None
E - Other
Line 8. Patient nationality and status:
A - US Military
B - US Civilian
C - Non-US Military
D - Non-US Civilian
E - EPW
Line 9. NBC Contamination:
N - Nuclear
B - Biological
C - Chemical
* In peacetime - terrain description of pick-up site
lol, a page worth of information just to call medivac? Why people didn't use 9-liner properly is a question but the truth is, it's not like Movie producer cannot find RTO or ROM to act as advisor (There are at least thousand, if not millions of them), then why communication is not really to the letter In movie? The answer is not they cannot find, but rather, it's no point to find one
the ROM handbook is like 200 pages long with specific calls out and communication method. To have an actor fully train as a ROM would takes weeks if not months, and to the effect they didn't have much of a dialoge to begin with, people identify war film with, not how the guy on the radio talk. So, what if the guy didn't speak a whole page of script to call a medivac? it didn't matter, because people did not pay the ticket to see him speak on the radio calling medivac, they come to see the action. Hence, no one cares.
On the other hand, how an actor walk, shoot, move, even how he put his scope on his rifle is quite clear, it bugged most people if these aren't accurate, in the end, there are something passable, not passable, but in a general sense believable as a soldier, that would be it, people don't care if he uses 9-liner or not.
To us, we used to be in war and understand the true nature of war, we would have said "why he didn't ask for Chinook or Blackhawk" to a soldier actually fighting in Afghanistan, that is an issue because not everywhere can be accessed using a Chinook, but to a movie goer, that does not matter, and while we pick on the dialogue a lot, other audience goes out none the wiser.
This is Wolf Warrior 2 Trailer
Skip forward to 1:07
You will see Wu pulling out his side arm and shoot an African. the he shot, the camera cut to different scene. This shot is very bothering. Set aside anybody who was a former special force. even who was a former soldier, you have some firearms training right @gambit not as much as me, but you do know how to shoot a pistol, and how a pistol work.
Now can you tell me what WILL happen in the next shot when he shoot the pistol sideway like this?
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Okay, let me tell you (Assuming you can't answer) casing eject sideway, that's where the deflector is, if he shoot like that, the bullet casing comes out on the side of the weapon will be projected outward AND BACKWARD like so
Now, if he shoot like that, the bullet casing is going to hit his face if he is lucky, but the gunsmoke (Which is choke of sulphur) will most definitely blown into his face and you will go blind. And in the word of John Reese of Person of Interest (Not going to type this for you)
Fast forward to 0:39.
This is what we usually make fun (some time in TV or movie like this scene in person of interest) this is not about artistic license, but a general resentment toward people who don't use firearm properly, and in this case, the person who use this move (what we called gansta move) is supposed to be a special force soldier? LOL. He need more gun training.....
Now if you want to do that scene, you do that in John Reese way and that's badass
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I grew up in Hawaii and learned to shoot at Camp Smith's range. Started with the venerable SW 38. So far, I have not tried 'gangsta' yet. But I may try 'John Wick' the next time our group head out to the hills.
Nobody is 'trying way too hard' or just because the movie is Chinese.Personally, I have not watched this movie, so I am not going to make any comment on the movie itself. I was just amazed about the size of its box office and its potential impact on Hollywood. Nobody is saying that the movie can't criticized, there are in fact many in China, and you are certainly entitled to you opinion as an ex US soldier.
The problem is you are trying way too hard in belittling Wu and his movie, as if you represented the "gold standard" of US special force, by which all military (and all action movies) around the would should be judged. Just wondering if you have been a Hollywood movie critic, or you just love to nit-pick on anything Chinese?
If you make a movie that contains a profession, you better believe it that the people who are in that profession are going to pick at that movie regarding their profession. Can you blame them ? If Hollywood make a movie that involves the Chinese language, there is no doubt that you guys are going to pick at any character that speaks Chinese in that movie. Anything from accent to idioms, you will find wrong or at least inadequate. You think Top Gun was immune just because Tom Cruise was good looking and the Navy supported the movie ?
Belittling Wu ? Now you are being way too sensitive just because you and he are fellow Chinese. Wu's character is a soldier, therefore, anything 'soldierly' from uniform to weapons handling, professionals are going focus on the things that they are familiar with. Further, if you make a movie about gymnastics, your actor's body and his movements are going to be central to the believability of the movie. A long time ago, I was instructed about the craft by an English friend who has experience on stage doing Shakespeare live. Her word was 'gullibility'. It is not used to denigrate the audience. Rather, it is used in the technical sense in that the audience is willing to be led, to be gullible on what your story is telling them. So just like a movie about gymnastics where an actor's body and movements are central to the 'gullibility' of the story, an action movie that involves weapons and their handling must be credible enough for the audience to accept.
Professionals are willing to be gullible regarding how their profession is used in a movie. The less prominent that profession, the more willing the audience is going to grant a pass. So if a lawyer is just a passing character, that actor does not need to speak the lawyer lingo to the fullest. But professionals do have a threshold that they will not tolerate any story that does not do their profession justice. If the story has courtroom actions prominently in the overall story, all actors had better be able to speak law-speak with passable acceptance.
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I grew up in Hawaii and learned to shoot at Camp Smith's range. Started with the venerable SW 38. So far, I have not tried 'gangsta' yet. But I may try 'John Wick' the next time our group head out to the hills.
Nobody is 'trying way too hard' or just because the movie is Chinese.
If you make a movie that contains a profession, you better believe it that the people who are in that profession are going to pick at that movie regarding their profession. Can you blame them ? If Hollywood make a movie that involves the Chinese language, there is no doubt that you guys are going to pick at any character that speaks Chinese in that movie. Anything from accent to idioms, you will find wrong or at least inadequate. You think Top Gun was immune just because Tom Cruise was good looking and the Navy supported the movie ?
Belittling Wu ? Now you are being way too sensitive just because you and he are fellow Chinese. Wu's character is a soldier, therefore, anything 'soldierly' from uniform to weapons handling, professionals are going focus on the things that they are familiar with. Further, if you make a movie about gymnastics, your actor's body and his movements are going to be central to the believability of the movie. A long time ago, I was instructed about the craft by an English friend who has experience on stage doing Shakespeare live. Her word was 'gullibility'. It is not used to denigrate the audience. Rather, it is used in the technical sense in that the audience is willing to be led, to be gullible on what your story is telling them. So just like a movie about gymnastics where an actor's body and movements are central to the 'gullibility' of the story, an action movie that involves weapons and their handling must be credible enough for the audience to accept.
Professionals are willing to be gullible regarding how their profession is used in a movie. The less prominent that profession, the more willing the audience is going to grant a pass. So if a lawyer is just a passing character, that actor does not need to speak the lawyer lingo to the fullest. But professionals do have a threshold that they will not tolerate any story that does not do their profession justice. If the story has courtroom actions prominently in the overall story, all actors had better be able to speak law-speak with passable acceptance.
dude, it's a "movie", Wu Jing is a "Actor" not a solider. is vin diesel a race car driver? lmao, no one cared because he can act in fast and furious. In this movie Wu Jing plays a "spec ops soilder", and he did very well, afterall the people have spoken at the box office. have you seen any Hollywood movie with Chinese languages? they butchered them all, where's that compliant you spoke off?
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What matters is to shatter US neo - fascist propaganda that first permeated the home audience and then, with illogical but fun to watch cliches, rest of the most of the world.
Wolf Warrior is a great, albeit late, start. The green faces around the neo-fascist Western world is a testament to that.
The movie and it's plot is to be repeated and will slowly become the new normal.
We need to remember, it all comes down to people's understandings. There are millions of people around the world who happily watch the Wolf Warrior and sigh in relief that finally someone has responded the call.
The best response now is to repeat and repeat similar themes with more action, more stunt, more high tech.
Build a new narrative.
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