Widespread criticism over rationale for new law to ‘protect’ Islam

[kaevmaan]

Who said "ultimate freedom of speech?"

Moving the goalposts
"Moving the goalposts (or shifting the goalposts) is a metaphor, derived from goal-based sports, that means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while it is still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an advantage or disadvantage.[1]"


If believing in the prophet, his tolerance for his worst haters, his mercy and his message of seeking knowledge makes me a liberal, then I am liberal AF!

The funny thing is that Quran itself says to seek knowledge.
But people here don't want to follow the parts of the Quran they don't like.
Its much better to just pretend God needs saving and they will the superman to God.


okay, I think we are at a fundamental impasse.
I work on evidence and knowledge and you work on your own feelings.

The only thing I can say to God when I face him is that I am a flawed person but I tried my best to follow ALL your words.

I hope you can say the same, but judging from our discussion I really don't think you can.

Dude stop wasting your energy trying caste pearls before.....aaa
stop playing the flute to the bovine brains.

 

[Areesh]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1286750883787743233

This.


These kanjars can go to any length to create anarchy in the country when they feel the accountability is coming their way. Proper snakes these fkers are, specially at a time, when our country do not need any non sense because things around us and in the region are moving in our favour.

Bukhari sahab is lying here

There is nothing in the bill against Hazrat Fatima(rz). There never can be. At least from ahle sunnah side

He is lying against the bill to continue abusing sahaba and family members of Prophet Mohammed (saw) without any fear like it is happening right now

Who said "ultimate freedom of speech?"

Moving the goalposts
"Moving the goalposts (or shifting the goalposts) is a metaphor, derived from goal-based sports, that means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while it is still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an advantage or disadvantage.[1]"


If believing in the prophet, his tolerance for his worst haters, his mercy and his message of seeking knowledge makes me a liberal, then I am liberal AF!

The funny thing is that Quran itself says to seek knowledge.
But people here don't want to follow the parts of the Quran they don't like.
Its much better to just pretend God needs saving and they will the superman to God.


okay, I think we are at a fundamental impasse.
I work on evidence and knowledge and you work on your own feelings.

The only thing I can say to God when I face him is that I am a flawed person but I tried my best to follow ALL your words.

I hope you can say the same, but judging from our discussion I really don't think you can.

You are contradictig yourself

First you agreed to me that hate speech should be stopped

Then you are asking me to provide you proof for not abusing people who are respected religiously by others

What is this contradiction? Or there is a good hate speech and a bad speech here?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Bukhari sahab is lying here

There is nothing in the bill against Hazrat Fatima(rz)

He is lying against the bill to continue abusing sahaba and family members of Prophet Mohammed (saw) without any fear like it is happening right now

Oh pleeeassee.. Since when these snakes called politicians became so "Islamic" ?


Its has all to do with the accountability process moving towards the bigwigs in PML-Q. Another pathetic attempt to held state hostage using any pretext possible.

MARK MY WORDS, if accountability sword is removed from their heads, the bill and the noise will go within days.

We DONT NOT need any sort of anarchy in our country when we got both Kabul regime and India in the corner.

 

[Jazzbot]

I am sorry, but I am an educated person and the first thing they teach you in university is to back up your arguments.
You clearly cannot so you are backing out.
no shame in it, but I hope you realize that just because you strongly feel something, does not mean it should be forced on to others.

Do they also teach you in university about not to make false assumptions about someone and don't jump to conclusions?

Who told you I am not able to back up my arguments with any verse or hadith? And who told you that I am backing out because of that?

Can you site the verse in the Quran that says that?
If not in the Quran, then the weaker secondary source of Authentic hadith? (be sure to cite the madhab the hadith belong to as some madhab regard some hadith as strong, while others will say they are weak)

Here you go:

Quran:
Go read description of these following verses, they are directly about companions.

"And those who come after them say: 'Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who have preceded us in Faith, and put not in our hearts any hatred against those who have believed.' " [59:10]​

"And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment." [9:100]​

“Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance unto thee beneath the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down peace of reassurance on them, and hath rewarded them with a near victory” [48:18]​

If Allah is pleased with the companions as mentioned in above 2 verses, who are we to run our mouths against companions today after 1400+ years?

Hadiths:
All the following are Saheeh hadiths that are widely accepted by all sects including Shias

Prophet (s.a.w.) said: "When my Companions are mentioned then withhold" [Saheeh, at-Tabaranee].​

He also said, "Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that" [al-Bukharee, Muslim].​

And he said, "Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people" [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].​

Imams:

Imam Ahmad bin Hambal said: "If you see anyone speaking ill of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, doubt his Islam."​

Adh-Dhahabee said, "Anyone who criticizes them or insults them has gone out of this religion and has seregated himself from the Muslim Ummah. He has disbelieved in what Allah the Most High says concerning them in His Book, and what Allah's Messenger has said concerning their noble qualities and their merits... It is incumbent upon the Muslims to love Allah; to love His Messenger, to love what the Prophet brought as guidance and as his practice; to love his descendants, his Companions, his wives, his children, his servants, and to love those who love them and hate those who hate them, as this is the meaning of loving for Allah's sake and hating for Allah's sake, and that is the most excellent kind of faith."​

Lastly, a decree issued by Iranian supreme leader himself denouncing acts of insulting / abusing Sahaba or Prophet's wife (Iranian source):

https://english.khamenei.ir/news/39...-s-fatwa-Insulting-the-Mother-of-the-Faithful

Want more?

 

[Areesh]

Oh pleeeassee.. Since when these snakes called politicians became so "Islamic" ?


Its has all to do with the accountability process moving towards the bigwigs in PML-Q. Another pathetic attempt to held state hostage using any pretext possible.

MARK MY WORDS, if accountability sword is removed from their heads, the bill and the noise will go within days.

We DONT NOT need any sort of anarchy in our country when we got both Kabul regime and India in the corner.

I agree with you about politicians

But bukhari sahab that you quoted is lying

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Because it has name 'Islam' in it, and any law deemed for Islam is bad in the minds of secular liberals ruling elites of ours.

Why do you need to protect Islam in a country who has 97% muslim. This law might be used to target minorities.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I agree with you about politicians

But bukhari sahab that you quoted is lying

What I was referring to , in the tweet as well, is the attempt of destabilising Pakistan. This is the bottom line and that is what these dajjali tolla is trying. PPP, PML-N, PML-Q and even elements within PTI (the so called politicians) , all these kanjars, will go to any length and limit to blackmail the state in order to protect their own personal interest.

These haramkhors have anything but Islamic about them. For them to raise issues related to Islam and its personalities is like satan preaching Islam.

There is an agenda and this is what people should see through and call them out for what they are.

 

[Verve]

The funny thing is that Quran itself says to seek knowledge.

But all within the defined boundaries, and the same instructed on 'reflection' as well.

Black Magic is knowledge too, but is it permissible?

Why do you need to protect Islam in a country who has 97% muslim. This law might be used to target minorities.

It is not about protection, it is about rooting out hate speech. Pakistan has a serious sectarian problem and this is targeting that!

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

Islam IS in grave danger*.























*From us Pakistanis.

 

[TNT]

Its a good law, dont understand the diarrhea people are having. But again the name Islam gives these libtards nightmares.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

But all within the defined boundaries, and the same instructed on 'reflection' as well.

Black Magic is knowledge too, but is it permissible?



It is not about protection, it is about rooting out hate speech. Pakistan has a serious sectarian problem and this is targeting that!

So if anyone insults Hindus, Christians and Jews you will hail them as heroes?

I have never seen any muslim getting arrested in Pakistan after insulting hindus and Christians or breaking hindu temples.

Is the justice system of Pakistan only for Muslims?

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Widespread criticism over rationale for new law to ‘protect’ Islam
The Newspaper's Staff ReporterUpdated 27 Jul 2020
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Rights group condemned those political parties which claimed to fight for the rights of minorities and yet voted for the bill. — APP/File
ISLAMABAD: Various sections of society, including a federal minister, have criticised the passage of the Punjab Tahaffuz-i-Bunyad-i-Islam (protecting the foundation of Islam) Bill 2020 by the Punjab Assembly, warning that such trends would fan extremism.

Federal Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry in a tweet stated: “An environment has been created in the Parliament, particularly in the Punjab Assembly, where every [other] member comes up with a motion on a daily basis warning that Islam will be in danger if it is not passed. This is a dangerous trend and it will plunge us deep into sectarianism and religious extremism.”

In response to another tweet criticising the act of passing the bill making publishing of objectionable and/or hate material punishable, Mr Chaudhry stated: “Islam in Pakistan is neither facing any danger from TikTok nor from books. We are facing a danger because of the division on the basis of sectarianism and extremism.

“Those living in palaces must exercise caution and do not fan the fire that burn themselves.”



In a statement, National Party’s Punjab president Ayub Malik said the new law would fan sectarianism besides stoking hatred against minorities in the largest and most populous province of the country that had a history of religious hatred against the marginalised sections of society.

Minister says such trends will plunge nation into extremism

Mr Malik said the country had already suffered a lot due to the retrogressive policies of military dictator General Ziaul Haq that encouraged obscurantist elements of society to badly damage the vision of Jinnah’s Pakistan.

“Now with this new law, the concept of Jinnah’s Pakistan has been pushed towards the verge of complete destruction, paving the way for more hatred against minorities and other sections of society,” he added.

He questioned the rationale of enacting the law when Islamic injunctions of 1973 Constitution along with Section 505(2) of the PPC and Section 8 of the Anti-Terrorism Act already penalise racial and sectarian hatred.

Chief of Tehreek Nifaz Fiqh Jafaria Agha Syed Hamid Ali Shah Moosavi in a statement termed the bill contrary to Quran and Sunnah and an attack on the Constitution.

He also announced that peaceful protests would be held across Pakistan on Friday against this law. “We will not shy away from taking any big step to save the foundations of the religion and the motherland,” he said, demanding that “this vicious bill be withdrawn forthwith”.

Agha Moosavi said the passage of the bill just before Muharram was aimed at thwarting the efforts of the government to maintain law and order during the month.

The Women Democratic Front (WDF), a civil society organisation working for women’s rights, also expressed deep concerns over, what it called, “the blatant attempt at increased state censorship through the Tahaffuz-i-Bunyad-i-Islam Bill”.

It said the bill was a transparent ploy to attack the already shrinking space for intellectual independence and religious freedom by threatening to monitor and censor books, magazines, pamphlets and other reading material published and imported into Pakistan in the name of protection of religion.

Through the passage of this bill, it said, the state wished to trample even further on freedom of thought and expression in the country and stifle any dissenting discourse.

The WDF called upon the Punjab governor to not ratify the bill and condemned those political parties which claimed to fight for the rights of minorities and yet voted for the bill.

“It is no secret that religious, intellectual, academic and political freedoms are under attack in Pakistan. Efforts to silence academics, journalists and political workers through force have been increasing while rightwing forces are making it harder for non-Muslim Pakistanis to practice their religion freely,” the statement said. It called upon all progressive forces in the country to join hands in calling upon the legislators to repeal this bill with immediate effect and stand with the forces of freedom rather than against them.

The law passed on July 22 makes “desecration” of any prophet, any of the four divine books, family and companions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as well as abetting or glorification of terrorists, and promoting sectarianism in any book punishable with a maximum of five-year jail terms and up to Rs500,000 fine. It makes the use of the words “Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen” mandatory whenever the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is mentioned.

Published in Dawn, July 27th, 2020

https://www.dawn.com/news/1571343/widespread-criticism-over-rationale-for-new-law-to-protect-islam

Liberals are opposing. To qanoon acha hi hoga.

 

[kaevmaan]

mods plz close this thread

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

These 20% needs to learn how to live with majority just like Sunnis of Iran learned to live in Iran

We're not talking about Iran, we're talking about Pakistan.

All ethnic groups and sects need to learn to live with each other with respect and equality - no one should be required to 'learn to live with the majority' - this is how societies and countries are destroyed.

 

[LeGenD]

So if anyone insults Hindus, Christians and Jews you will hail them as heroes?

I have never seen any muslim getting arrested in Pakistan after insulting hindus and Christians or breaking hindu temples.

Is the justice system of Pakistan only for Muslims?

FYI:

The law passed on July 22 makes “desecration” of any prophet, any of the four divine books, family and companions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as well as abetting or glorification of terrorists, and promoting sectarianism in any book punishable with a maximum of five-year jail terms and up to Rs500,000 fine.

In other words; Christians and Jews are covered in this bill.

Pakistani LAW does not allow harming Pakistani hindus either.

When you comment on a matter, please make sure that you have done some homework in relation.