Widespread criticism over rationale for new law to ‘protect’ Islam

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Actually no.

The man who was making such cartoons, found out soon enough that it is not easy for him to hurt sentiments of so many people and get away with it. There will be a price to pay for it.

Freedom of Expression but with Responsibility.

The 'price' that was paid was by Muslims, who were painted as intolerant, bearded terrorist buffoons globally.

That one man's experience drove a whole host of other events and individuals posting cartoons and making fun of Islam and Mohamed to prove a point and act in solidarity with that man's right to freedom of speech.

Abusing historical religious figures isn't hate speech? Of course it is. TBH I I assumed we already had laws preventing this.

How does abusing historical figures fit the definition of hate speech?

 

[LeGenD]

The 'price' that was paid was by Muslims, who were painted as intolerant, bearded terrorist buffoons globally.

That one man's experience drove a whole host of other events and individuals posting cartoons and making fun of Islam and Mohamed to prove a point and act in solidarity with that man's right to freedom of speech.

Sir,

Those kind of men will support each other, this is not news to me.

But being Muslims, WE need to draw some lines for them. They have no issue drawing lines for Muslims on the other hand - Hypocrisy galore.

Point is simple: You scratch my back, I will scratch yours.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sir,

Those kind of men will support each other, this is not news to me.

But being Muslims, WE need to draw some lines for them. They have no issue drawing lines for Muslims on the other hand - Hypocrisy galore.

You're not getting the point. Look at what happened in hindsight.

Muslims acted like immature toddlers throwing tantrums, burning shit, abusing and threatening people, and in exchange more and more people decided to give Muslims both middle fingers and hold MORE events abusing Islam, the Quran and Prophet Mohammed.

Contests on creating cartoons of Prophet Mohammed were held.

Is this the 'line' Muslims wanted to draw? To basically significantly increase the number of people making offensive comments and painting offensive caricatures of Islamic religious figures globally?

What did Muslims accomplish exactly with their tantrums other than this imaginary line that no one in the West respects?

Those who do respect this 'line' do it because they engage with Muslims as friends & colleagues who respectfully explain the Muslims position on such issues, and not because of 'threats'.

 

[Rafi]

Truly disappointing, this country is being dragged into the dark ages.

 

[Areesh]

Yes - they should be ignored.

It simply isn't possible to control speech across the globe.

The only thing that happened with Muslims throwing a fit over the Mohammed Cartoons was that more groups were encouraged to make fun of Islam and the Prophet Mohammed.

We aren't going for global censorship

We just want to have laws inside the country so that hate speech doesn't prevail in the country

How is that wrong?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The funny thing is that Quran itself says to seek knowledge.
But people here don't want to follow the parts of the Quran they don't like.

Let's keep such discussions out of this thread please.

 

[LeGenD]

You're not getting the point. Look at what happened in hindsight.

Muslims acted like immature toddlers throwing tantrums, burning shit, abusing and threatening people, and in exchange more and more people decided to give Muslims both middle fingers and hold MORE events abusing Islam, the Quran and Prophet Mohammed.

Contests on creating cartoons of Prophet Mohammed were held.

Is this the 'line' Muslims wanted to draw? To basically significantly increase the number of people making offensive comments and painting offensive caricatures of Islamic religious figures globally?

What did Muslims accomplish exactly with their tantrums other than this imaginary line that no one in the West respects?

Those who do respect this 'line' do it because they engage with Muslims as friends & colleagues who respectfully explain the Muslims position on such issues, and not because of 'threats'.

RED highlighted part =

You do have a point in this post though. Sad as well.

However;

My take is that OIC need to step up its game and deal with this issue through diplomatic channels.

Like this: https://www.arabnews.com/node/1364741/world

The existing OIC is more like OH I SEE - absolutely SHAM of an organization.

Try something really.

 

[VCheng]

You're not getting the point. Look at what happened in hindsight.

Muslims acted like immature toddlers throwing tantrums, burning shit, abusing and threatening people, and in exchange more and more people decided to give Muslims both middle fingers and hold MORE events abusing Islam, the Quran and Prophet Mohammed.

Contests on creating cartoons of Prophet Mohammed were held.

Is this the 'line' Muslims wanted to draw? To basically significantly increase the number of people making offensive comments and painting offensive caricatures of Islamic religious figures globally?

What did Muslims accomplish exactly with their tantrums other than this imaginary line that no one in the West respects?

Those who do respect this 'line' do it because they engage with Muslims as friends & colleagues who respectfully explain the Muslims position on such issues, and not because of 'threats'.

Do we still need more proof that trying to enforce religion by force of government is a mistake? Let private beliefs remain private, and equally respected.

 

[El Sidd]

We aren't going for global censorship

We just want to have laws inside the country so that hate speech doesn't prevail in the country

How is that wrong?

Because cosmetic secularism keeps Mullah business alive.

The more one section pulls the society to the north, the other pulls it to the south.

By colonial tactics of protectionism, they want the masses divided so it remains easier to pick them off one by one.

Do we still need more proof that trying to enforce religion by force of government is a mistake? Let private beliefs remain private, and equally respected.

How come they are private when they are taught in public?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We aren't going for global censorship

We just want to have laws inside the country so that hate speech doesn't prevail in the country

How is that wrong?

It is the only way to ensure communal harmony and to prevent vigilantism.

Abuse of Islamic holy figures is a very sensitive issue in Pakistan and has the propensity to get out of control. It must be nipped in the bud.

With clearly defined red lines, and with strict punishments, Pakistan can become a more organized and functioning society. Needless energy will not be expended on sectarian rifts.

Laws need to be passed on 'Takfir' as well. Like if one imam declares takfir on another, he should be taken to court to prove his assertion and suffer some punishment if he cannot prove it.

 

[Jazzbot]

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Both of the posts are TRUE unfortunately, but I wouldn't say "only Shias." Criticism is coming forth from different directions.

Nevertheless; before accusing others of spreading sectarianism and demanding measures against this issue, one need to make sure that he/she is not a part of the problem himself/herself.

And when measures are introduced, then do not CRY FOUL under the garb of OPPRESSION of FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

No SECT should be above and beyond constructive criticism, sorry. Look inside your own collar and introspect.

I stand corrected. Liberals are also making big noise against this bill along with shias. Also some political rivals are also playing politics. I was just discussing about shias as our of all the critics of this bill, they are the main party as far as this bill in concerned. Anyways, your point is duly noted.

 

[El Sidd]

I stand corrected. Liberals are also making big noise against this bill along with shias. Also some political rivals are also playing politics. I was just discussing about shias as our of all the critics of this bill, they are the main party as far as this bill in concerned. Anyways, your point is duly noted.

There are no liberals in Pakistan.

All of them fake it to make noise and stir reactions.

 

[Jazzbot]

Then learn to ignore it like other normal, civilized, grown adults.

People like you and me can learn to ignore such stuff, in fact we are already ignoring. But what about masses in our country? You know how much blood has shed in our country because of these sectarian issues and blasphemy and all? Not everyone can / will learn to ignore and ignoring is not a solution.

Tell me one thing, what do you think is easier? Teaching 80% of population to learn to ignore or rest of 20% to shut their mouths in public?

 

[El Sidd]

80% of population

what do you want 80 percent of populace to do if you keep painting them as terrorists?

i have a simple question to those who want to make it a majority versus minority issue.

just bring your numbers that 20 percent are 20 percent by representation.

when it comes to representation, its merit, sab musalman sab ye sab wo and when 80 percent wants dignity, haye haye minority.

enjoy democracy i say or wish for someone like Mush back who can get good money for the 80 percent from Gitmo

 

[LeGenD]

There are no liberals in Pakistan.

All of them fake it to make noise and stir reactions.

Philosophy, Sir.

Waah jee...