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Why the ethnic hate recently?

Persians, Arabs, Turks, Greeks, Scythians, Mongols, British, were "you people"

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Would that make you warm n fuzzy and sleep better with the monster under your bed at night?

Cheers, Doc
I thought we had given up and were not going to take part in the mud slinging? Couldn’t stay away?

Cheers doc, you crazy old kook how many fake Ids you gonna make ma man.


Ironic he claims to be a victim of racism and also the least racist people yet in the same post he openly calls us worse than strays.
It’s hypocrisy Ive seen in my family circles and in every Pakistani all over. The “Sindhi Maroo Baghal mein jharoo” quips now whine when Sindhi is made compulsory in schools.. the Sindhi that whines about Mohajirs taking their land meanwhile uses their quota system to churn out fake doctors upon doctors.

And then there is this..
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and then this hujoom stuffed in this tract of land thinks it deserves any mercy of Allah
 
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Im neither Pashtun nor Punjabi.
But is it the Pashtuns fault that the Punjabi heavy establishment fuked up with it's Afghan policy?

It was the Pashtuns asking the govt to open madrassas and borders for afghan Mujahideen or Taliban?

It was their choice to be used ?

You claim Pashtuns are at fault i.e terrorism. Do you also forget the Punjabi terrorist among ttp ranks? Or how Punjabis dominate on secterianism?

Punjabis live in a bubble, visit other provinces too.

You guys claim Baloch are screwed by sardari nizam, yet it's always the establishment that controls them, see today even Baloch separatists don't give a crap about the same sardars you blame? A good example is Sarfraz Bugti, or the addict CM of Balochistan. All chosen by you know who.
Depending on who you ask I am none of those either.

But I will say that the Afghanistan policy has largely been handled by Pashtuns actually and they've been relatively sympathetic towards them. Hamid Gul, Assad Durrani, Naseerullah Babar Khan.

When I mention ethnic names I'm not saying they are all like that - commonly you will also see me criticise Lahoris/Punjabis too.

Also it's part of Pashtun tribal culture and historically our border region Pashtuns have always fought in wars in Afghanistan. There was no staying out of that war, our Pashtuns were going to get involved either way, we felt a risk to ourselves, and we would receive American funding/support.

So it wasn't something forced on them but rather something many are proud of. Lar O Bar Yao Afghan exists for a reason and is followed by Pashtun nationalists so they can't really use that excuse either.

And when it comes to terrorism I would say the amount of Punjabis involved is comparatively little in the grand scheme of things, not that they don't participate at all. But it's about proportionality and how common it is.

Regarding politics of Balochistan I really don't know much about that to comment on it but didn't an entire tribe get exiled from Balochistan by one of their tribal leaders? The Bugtis or Mengals I'm not sure
 
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That's true and it's far from representative of any of our society anywhere
I'm on the fence tbh, while I am against trying to normalise it or paint it as normal, Pakistanis are so reactive, they see one private group of people doing something and they'll be like let's destroy this country why did we make Pakistan, yadda yadda, lmfao
 
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Aww.., did I hurt your beard that you keep to look religious ? Im not asking you to shave it.
I am clean shave, never like or have beard in my entire life, so your attempt failed miserably. Try again I'll wait :)
I bring the beard because people like you see Beard even in your dreams, and will blame the Global warming on that as if it was up to you.
Ostrich head in the sand .…you aren’t the only poor victim Urdu speaker representing here giving a tour of Karachi like no one knows anything about it.
I was never a victim of Pashtoon or Baloch cause they behave where I grow up, the Gunda behavior was taken out from those Ghair Wali Shalwaar when they are picked up by Unit in-charge and given a treatment they understand, Saw many Hathyar humara Zeewar aur Genghis khan's entering 9-0 and shouting " Hai Naqeeb-e-Inqialaab Altaf Altaf " lol Given your knowledge of Karachi I doubt you ever set foot in Karachi, connecting flight or Chahy mamay se Kahania doesn't count :)

Ive heard all the “go back to India” … “Aap log Indians hain”.. but least racist my ***…all the racist tripes are common and as bad as anyone.
Just because you no longer have numbers its all “washed with milk”
Given the fact that your circle only brings out the worse I don't expect that you ever hangout among the Pardhe likhe Urdu speaking community, the middle class who made the most of Karachi and despite their lives struggle yet they don't blow themselves up in schools or Mosques, those two traits are more than enough to prove my point that who is the most civilized community in Pakistan not just in Karachi.

As for the rants on Pathans and Baloch, Ayub imported criminals to out vote Fatima Jinnah - where the F did MQM come from? By that time the transport mafia was already established and the Afghans thronging Karachi.. what tota nasheen history is this?
MQM didn't appear out of nowhere, It started off as APMSO, and do I need to say what cause Altaf to start his protest ? Quota System ? Beating at Mehran University ? As I said, Connecting flights to Karachi doesn't won't do justice to what the city has seen and by whom. Today, I dare you take your women to Areas like Kati pahari, Sohrab Goth, Al Asif square and many more, and see what happens. I saw women/girls attention functions in Azizabad until late night and walk home without been raped or harassed by anyone, try that in a Pashtoon/Baloch/Sindhi or Saraiki dominated Areas and see what happens, when Benazir was killed those so called sons of Soil had field day in gang raping and looting in Karachi, my Area was more peaceful than GHQ, and all that because of 4 vans parked with 4 guys each with guns standing guard at corner of Streets, and we had Business as usual, I saw women rushing to shops to buy milk and it was MQM who send its workers to guard those shops to protect from the sons of soil who were hell bent of raping and looting anything and everything.

Ive been held at gunpoint twice in Karachi - twice by Pathans.. doesn’t mean I hate them.
The second one was gunned down ten minutes later.. saw his dead body and saw a criminal. That’s that.
Criminal behavior exists who is denying that ? but we are not talking about crimes, we are talking about the culture these people holds dear, a culture that turn them into violent animals who behead a person without blinking, or kill a whole family over 2 stolen goats, That culture where 5 bhudday sit around and make decisions of someone's life and they call it Jirga, while undermining the law of Pakistan, when did any Urdu speaking Party had run its area with its own rule ? The best you and other Chawal's can bring against the Community is MQM while I can post a list of Globally Recognized Terrorist groups only consists of Pashtoons/Baloch/Punjabi's.

Because the one driving the bike was some middle class punjabi lad.. they were all criminals running off a gang. Criminals that joined TTP or BLA or anyone giving them money. There were entire groups in west Punjab running kidnapping gangs as there are entire tribes in KP running drugs.. why? Because that is what their history developed them into…
Not the History but their culture and misconception of their racial superiority, to this day the Pathans are proud of their violent culture, they are proud that they run their areas like crime/Terror infested no go areas, they are proud of their 10,000 BC tribal culture, You live in America? have you ever meet a Native American ? despite their reservations and them practicing their old traditions yet they follow the American constitution and Law, I don't see them running around strapped with explosives and running their protected lands and not letting Police/US govt to operate, India has Pashtoon's and we don't see them all going crazy like they are in Pakistan, its not education or development, you can bring those people to Norway and within 6 months they will turn Norway into a Kati Pahari. People are not bad, the culture they hold dear and subscribe to is the problem and that has to go if Pakistan has to live in 21st century.

As for MQM, it took the pen from the masses and gave them guns.. no more the most educated
Still by far they are still most civilized people you will ever come across, MQM's workers who use to have guns and do gunda gardi are now working jobs and living normal lives, while FATA is still blowing up Fauji Convoys and beheading people, that's the difference between people.

That entitled racism is still dripping from you and you’re carrying it around America as if it doesn’t have enough of it already…- yes Black people are more involved in crime but have you seen the history of it? Why they are there where they are? What institutional factors got them there? Why the subculture they have now promotes all of this. Sure, a part of change has to come from them and all the overexcited BLM wont fix it but that doesn’t mean you perpetuate the racism. Because your shiny Urdu speaking butt was picked on by pathans out of your safe zones but could not do jack about the Guddu Balochs or Wadera variety that now run the stomping grounds.. now its all about the blacks and the white cops .. mulk badal Gaya.. soch aur haalat nahin badle.
Have you ever meet a Pakistani ? I doubt it, have you talked to any Indian who owns a grocery store or Gas station ? Their history has nothing to do with what they do now, everyone has a choice to be either good or bad, this is lazy excuse that just because they are raised by single mother and baby daddy's weren't their so they become drug dealers or looted whole stores just to protest, I have no stake in US racial politics but if you ever leave your house and talk to brown people you will see that most them holds somewhat similar view, not that they hate because a black person is black, white crack heads steal and do crimes too.

My butt never gets picked by anyone, as I mentioned many times I lived in a very decent area and any Pathan or Baloch who came to my area behave, they try their usual BS but as I said, when the Town union had enough and MQM got involved, one trip to Unit office and everyone start acting like humans. I just want the same to bring back in Pakistan but those camps to be run by Govt not any Political party or Gang. If China/America/Canada and other nation has done it and today they all are respected countries with their economies flourishing and their people respect so why can't we ? Chinese Xinjian camps, American camps for Japanese, Canadian Catholic schools of Native integration etc

Racism spouting all around but has an issue when his Dharhi element is touched even if someone days dhikaway ke liye achi nahin
We all hold bias, even you so don't tell that you are not a Racist in some shape or form.
 
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Persians, Arabs, Turks, Greeks, Scythians, Mongols, British, were "you people"

Gotcha.



Would that make you warm n fuzzy and sleep better with the monster under your bed at night?

Cheers, Doc

It just might.... currently, I sleep with one eye open, gripping my pillow tight.

Been a long reader of this forum, and you are one of the distinct personalities that have entertained me....along with the signature "cheers doc" each time....almost running up the same tally as Mastan Khan's "Hi," at each start.

Your replies here instantly reminded me of much of the past convos you have been in frequently heh....and I knew instantly who it was.

As Bernoulli said about a solution (that clearly to him only Newton could produce) mailed to him,.... I recognise the lion by its claw.
 
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yeh sawaal establishment se phuch naa chaaiye- humaare pay grade say aage ka sawaal hai...., blames of establishment shouldn't be on anyone except them, no one controls em in this country
That's what I've been saying to him. But, in their mind, it's "Punjabi army" and "Punjabi establishment" as if the same establishment isn't screwing us Punjabis over too.

where the leading poet writes “your eyes shot at me like two guns”
For real? If it wasn't a reputable member such as yourself writing this, I would have thought it's a caricature of pashtuns. Who's the poet?

The "graveyard of empires" bit didn't help their warrior psyche either, I would say. :lol:
 
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Punjabis voted a govt who allowed drones and cashed in money via CSF ..no one lifted a finger and everybody was happy with low inflation and easy IMF deal and even today call that era as GOLDEN era of Pakistan

Pakhtoons from afghanistan brought this upon their and our selves by giving refuge to a global terror Org al-Qaeda, what for? For me crapy custom to bolster their ego. Yankees don't extend special treatment to nobody. Any nation would've met the same fate had they allowed the likes of Osama -------.
 
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Im neither Pashtun nor Punjabi.
But is it the Pashtuns fault that the Punjabi heavy establishment fuked up with it's Afghan policy?
It is their fault for conflating the actions of the Punjabi heavy establishment with the will of the punjabi people.

It was the Pashtuns asking the govt to open madrassas and borders for afghan Mujahideen or Taliban?

It was their choice to be used ?
It takes two to tango. Unless the govt forcefully put their kids in those madrasses, like china does with it's re-education camps. I mean, open a madrassa in DHA or Bahria. Will it transform into waziristan?

I am not talking about all pashtuns, of course. But, there's a high enough proportion of trouble makers among them that warranted this discussion in the first place.

You claim Pashtuns are at fault i.e terrorism. Do you also forget the Punjabi terrorist among ttp ranks? Or how Punjabis dominate on secterianism?
Exactly. We all have our challenges. Do you ever see punjabis complain why there isn't sectarianism in KP?

Punjabis live in a bubble, visit other provinces too.
This is correct. We are mostly unaffected by the biggest problems facing the other provinces. But, this is a good idea in general. For everyone.

You guys claim Baloch are screwed by sardari nizam, yet it's always the establishment that controls them,
This is the same argument as "estb created nawaz sharif". What's stopping nawaz sharif to not be a haramkhor?

How about those sardars show quomi ghairat and stop exploiting their own people at the behest of punjabi establishment?

see today even Baloch separatists don't give a crap about the same sardars you blame? A good example is Sarfraz Bugti, or the addict CM of Balochistan. All chosen by you know who.
Sir, why don't the Baloch and Sindhi people rise up against their waderas and sardars?
Lack of Education and awareness isn't the issue. Punjabis were pretty comfortable with the establishment until recently but as soon as they stepped on our toes (for the first time), we are talking against them. It's not like we just got educated over this last year. Rather, we saw our rights being snatched and we did not like that.

As for non-punjabis blaming Punjabis for being beghairat because we didn't fight the establishment before and they did. They should consider, why they didn't fight the tools of establishment's oppression. Their own leaders who connive with the estb. When is rural sindh going to lynch faryal talpur's husband for graciously giving away 50rs notes to people who lost their homes and everything else in the floods?

When are baloch going to take a break from ambushing and killing FC and kill a few of their sardars?

Aren't we also your brothers ? Is all our fault ?
Yes, you are. Not at all your fault, sir. But not ours as well. We didn't want this for you.
You can see the estb doesn't care about us either. The bps-4 chowkidar who was disrobed and tortured was a punjabi. He was threatened that they do do the same ot his wife and uploaded the video on facebook. Just because they weren't doing this to you before us, doesn't make it our fault. We are only good as long as we weren't a problem for them.

I read a note about Baloch in a fuking book, talking about how Baloch means barbaric blood thirsty people who fight eachother but unite when attacked and alot more BS.

When a Baloch kid reads that is he supposed to feel pride in that?
No sane person is supporting that. That's just bigotry. I am sure you can find books by every group badmouthing the other. I mean, that's what this thread is about.
 
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And the supreme irony is that a wannabe Punjoo sitting in the US is laffing at this truth.

A people that have bent over to every foreign invader under the sun. And then fought under their standard for a few shekels ...

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Najibullah invited soviets, karzai invited nato. Why is it that pashtos have time and time again sold out afghanistan to invaders???

I dont really understand why pashtuns believe they beat those invaders…. When their leaders themselves invited them in o_O

When was the last time a tajik, punjabi, hazara, sindhi, or kashmiris invited foreign invaders into their country????
 
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How about those sardars show quomi ghairat and stop exploiting their own people at the behest of punjabi establishment?

Why does the army support the most brutal sardars in Balochistan?

Abdul Rehman Khetran was putting kids and women in jails and holding them hostage


Najibullah invited soviets, karzai invited nato. Why is it that pashtos have time and time again sold out afghanistan to invaders???

Karzai was handpicked and came into power after NATO invasion

Najeeb didn’t invite Soviets he came into power after Soviet invasion
 
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