What's new

Why Arabs lost all its wars to Israel despite outnumbering Israel in weapons and manpower?

We are danger to the Arab world.
Every country in the Arab states could have a governmental overthrow and bunch of terrorists take over their weapons, this wouldn't happen in Israel.
well its still their internal matter. even if they are all killed by terrorists who gave right to israel to capture their land. by the way the person with a donkey whose ears have distance of 40 feets is called antichrist in islam. so according to our believe you are really gonna be slaughtered.
 
.
well its still their internal matter. even if they are all killed by terrorists who gave right to israel to capture their land. by the way the person with a donkey whose ears have distance of 40 feets is called antichrist in islam. so according to our believe you are really gonna be slaughtered.
The same one that let the Muslims take all of this land.
You don't expect that they were simply born from Pakistan to Iran, right?
Messiah is claimed to be with a white beard and a white donkey, no reference to his ears.
And 40 feet ears? what?
 
.
The same one that let the Muslims take all of this land.
You don't expect that they were simply born from Pakistan to Iran, right?
Messiah is claimed to be with a white beard and a white donkey, no reference to his ears.
And 40 feet ears? what?

you wouldn't be able to do it until your messiah is here.
thats muslim prophecies. you messiah would be one eyed, ride on white donkey which will be very fast(scholars thiink its a plane),he will have control over weather and would be a very big man. he will rule the world except few places in saudi arabia. isn't it right?
 
.
you wouldn't be able to do it until your messiah is here.
thats muslim prophecies. you messiah would be one eyed, ride on white donkey which will be very fast(scholars thiink its a plane),he will have control over weather and would be a very big man. he will rule the world except few places in saudi arabia. isn't it right?
Read about this in here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah
I have no idea about him.
 
.
Good Lord I just got a nasty hangover reading the 29 pages or so! What the hell are you guys arguing about!??! The Israelis won!!! All the books around the world says it so.. (unless there is another "world" out there that says otherwise). I am not against Arabs or Pakistanis by the way but Jeeeez!!! :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Oh and I am posting this forum from the Israeli side by the way about the fighter thingy. (Mods please delete my post if its offensive or whatever). Thanks! :-)

http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=8335
 
.
Good Lord I just got a nasty hangover reading the 29 pages or so! What the hell are you guys arguing about!??! The Israelis won!!! All the books around the world says it so.. (unless there is another "world" out there that says otherwise). I am not against Arabs or Pakistanis by the way but Jeeeez!!! :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Oh and I am posting this forum from the Israeli side by the way about the fighter thingy. (Mods please delete my post if its offensive or whatever). Thanks! :-)

http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=8335
Man, let them think that they shoot down fighters, it's common around the muslim world to brag and lie about stuff that didn't happen, specialy when it comes to Israel
 
.
OK yah I can see why you might be anti-Israeli.

Just remember the Arabs are no angels either....so its wrong to pick on just the Israelis.

There are no illegal settlements, the Arab started the war, and tried to conquer us, so we did it to them.
We don't bomb "innocent" civilians that voted for Hamas, we bomb Hamas.
We cant finish off Hamas from the air unless we would destroy Gaza from the air.

Sorry? I don't see Japan and Russia complain about them being illegal, Also China has no problem with that, Oh, what about most of Africa?
Sorry but that's bullshit
Its more like: Arabs attack Israel and try to seize Israeli cities and conquer us, Israel beats the shit out of those retards, conquers back the cities, the cities are not populated because the Arabs told them to go away as they expected a fight in those cities, Israel doesn't let them come in.
Those people did belong to this region before, and you know that the Muslims conquered this land in the 600s, right?
They are not native, its not their homes or land, and Hamas doesn't react but attack.

Sorry, but Jews lived there before Islam was a religion/ideology.
Palestinians claimed that this land was controlled by them for hundreds of years, I don't think its possible since the Ottomans and British ruled this land.
You think that we chose to leave Israel? Well you might read history, since we were forced out by the Persians and Romans and Greeks.
We didn't force any Palestinian out, we simply didn't let them come back after the fighting was done.
They can keep fighting us with stones, I hope one day we will just start shooting any retarded terrorist with his stone.
Our god never forbidden us to gather, and if you believe in God, you might ask yourself HOW ARE WE HERE THEN?
Orthodox Jews are against Israel because they say Israel cannot be here until the Messiah comes, and that's retarded.

No. you didn't get what I said at all. the Palestinians said this was a country called "Palestine" controlled by Palestinians with a Palestinian government, and then the 'Zionist enemy" came in and killed everyone.
You really think you are able to slaughter us? First go slaughter the Indians that beat your ***, and the Iranians should first slaughter the Arabs that beat their ***, and the Arabs should surrender and accept that they will never be able to beat us.
Greater Israel plan is to take Gaza and Jordan, which we would have got if the Palestinians (Basically Jordanians) wouldn't steal OUR land, because the British said they will give us both Trans Jordan and Israel.
Sorry, we are not the threat to the region, Arabs are a threat to the world.



. Yes they did win, but that still doesn't give them a get out of jail free card when it comes to international matters.

* Israel Apartheid *
- http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/1.671538
- http://www.itisapartheid.org/laws.html
- http://www.seamac.org/equalrights.htm
- http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-makdisi-israel-apartheid-20140518-story.html
- http://www.globalresearch.ca/racism...alestinians-cannot-ride-israeli-buses/5410760

* UN reports on Israel war crimes and human rights violation *

-http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...crimes-during-israels-51-day-assault-on-gaza/
-http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...crimes-during-israels-51-day-assault-on-gaza/
- https://www.amnesty.org/en/countrie...-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
- http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/country-holding-accountable/
- https://electronicintifada.net/blog...a-report-cant-hide-massive-israeli-war-crimes

* Israel genocide against Palestinians and ethnic cleansing *

- http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
- https://www.sott.net/article/298277...-against-Palestine-during-2014-summer-assault
- http://www.vice.com/read/israels-war-on-gaza-is-it-genocide-813 -https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

* human rights watch report on Israel violations *

- https://www.hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/israel/palestine
* un declares Israel as having worlds worst human rights*
- http://yournewswire.com/un-declares-israel-as-having-worlds-worst-human-rights/

http://www.peterloud.co.uk/palestine/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_war

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/315840-israel-palestine-protests-police/

https://electronicintifada.net/content/top-israeli-rabbis-advocate-genocide/6974

https://electronicintifada.net/blog...onerates-itself-slaughter-children-gaza-beach

http://www.vice.com/read/israels-war-on-gaza-is-it-genocide-813

http://bennorton.com/an-incomplete-list-of-israels-violations-of-human-rights/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ted-crimes-against-humanity-says-Amnesty.html

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/09/take-...s-against-palestinians-in-the-last-few-weeks/

https://citizenactionmonitor.wordpress.com/tag/israeli-crimes-against-humanity/


http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2...bi-who-endorses-rape-to-improve-troop-morale/

http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/israeli-advocated-becomes/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/idf-chief-rabbi-permits-raping-women/

http://newobserveronline.com/idfs-chief-rabbi-rape-gentile-women/

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Storm-erupts-over-past-comments-of-incoming-IDF-Chief-Rabbi-460174

https://electronicintifada.net/cont...-israels-daily-toll-palestinian-children/4263

But let's just ignore that Okay? :-)

P.S I apologize for going off topic

Cheers to the Israeli victory!:cheers:
 
.
Good Lord I just got a nasty hangover reading the 29 pages or so! What the hell are you guys arguing about!??! The Israelis won!!! All the books around the world says it so.. (unless there is another "world" out there that says otherwise). I am not against Arabs or Pakistanis by the way but Jeeeez!!! :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Oh and I am posting this forum from the Israeli side by the way about the fighter thingy. (Mods please delete my post if its offensive or whatever). Thanks! :-)

http://www.israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=8335
We were discussing the causes of their win...We were not debating if they did win..they did..

Cheers to the Israeli victory!:cheers:
Palestinians are not cheering....they consider themselves being sold by their Arab brethren...and their cause was used by some arab leaders to further their own political agenda...
 
.
Palestinians are not cheering....they consider themselves being sold by their Arab brethren...and their cause was used by some arab leaders to further their own political agenda...

First off, I was just joking as you can see the comments I was replying to were self-obsessed with Israeli victories.

Please explain how they were betrayed by their Arab brethren. Because Frankly going to war is quite a lot for your fellow neighbors.


Israeli War of Independence (1948-1949)
Egypt
1948-1949
total soldiers: 300,000
Total losses: 2,000

Sinai Campaign (1956)
Egypt 1956-1956
total soldiers: 300,000
total losses: 3,000

Six Day War (1967)
Egypt 1967-1967
Total soldiers: 400,000
Total losses: 10,000

Yom Kippur War (1973)
Egypt 1973-1973
total soldiers: 400,000
Total losses :5,000

Approximate Total losses: 20,000 men! of Egypt ALONE!

Please tell me again how these men died if not for the Palestinians? Arab states have lost more then enough men for Palestine. Political agendas come and go but lives matter, and Egypt has lost more then enough men for Palestine let alone Syria, or Jordan.

What are the Palestinian losses?Did they make any offensives? Any strategies? If Palestine wants it's freedom back then they have to fight their own battles. The Arab states realized this when they were doing 99% of the Work for them. If Turkey,Algeria,Iran and Others want to take up the banner and fight, go ahead. Arab states have enough problems as is. Last thing they want to do is get into a full fledged conflict with a regional power, with civil wars,political instability,economic problems and rising insurgency and terrorism in their borders.

 
.
,Algeria,Iran and Others want to take up the banner and fight, go
,
Algeria's contribution to the war effort and her troops participation was detrimental to Egypt...I know, Algeria has kept mum about the sacrifices and the blood that her sons spilled along Egyptians and Palestinian troops, (and yes they were present and fought along with Egyptian and Algerian troops). The arrival of the Algerian troops stabilized the eastern front and kept the Cairo, Helouan (industrial lung of egypt,) Ismailiya, Suez and Aswan dam skies safe from IDF craft's intrusion..
And yes, Egypt, Jordan and the GCC cohorts, used the Palestinian case theirs to further their political stand in the area..Only the front of refusal states kept helping materially and diplomatically the Palestinian cause. all these three countries suffered and continue to suffer for their political standing.
 
.
,
Algeria's contribution to the war effort and her troops participation was detrimental to Egypt...I know, Algeria has kept mum about the sacrifices and the blood that her sons spilled along Egyptians and Palestinian troops, (and yes they were present and fought along with Egyptian and Algerian troops). The arrival of the Algerian troops stabilized the eastern front and kept the Cairo, Helouan (industrial lung of egypt,) Ismailiya, Suez and Aswan dam skies safe from IDF craft's intrusion..
And yes, Egypt, Jordan and the GCC cohorts, used the Palestinian case theirs to further their political stand in the area..Only the front of refusal states kept helping materially and diplomatically the Palestinian cause. all these three countries suffered and continue to suffer for their political standing.


On the Algerian military wiki page for the Yom kippur war it doesn't say anything about the Algerian brigade facing action, if you disagree then I suggest you edit the Wiki page.

"Algeria sent a battalion of infantry and a squadron of MiG-21s to Egypt during the 1967 Six Day War with Israel. While the troops did not see active service, reportedly six MiGs were lost.[4]

The 1973 Yom Kippur War was the fourth major conflict between Israel and the neighboring Arab States. Like many other Arab States, Algeria contributed to the fighting in the Yom Kippur War. The Algerian government sent squadrons of fighters and bombers along with an armored brigade."


There is also no mention of Algerias armored brigade in the Yom kippur wiki page either,

"By the end of the war, the Israelis had advanced to positions some 101 kilometres from Egypt's capital, Cairo, and occupied 1,600 square kilometres west of the Suez Canal.[225] They had also cut the Cairo-Suez road and encircled the bulk of Egypt's Third Army. The Israelis had also taken many prisoners after Egyptian soldiers, including many officers, began surrendering in masses towards the end of the war.[226] The Egyptians held a narrow strip on the east bank of the canal, occupying some 1,200 square kilometres of the Sinai.[226] One source estimated that the Egyptians had 70,000 men, 720 tanks and 994 artillery pieces on the east bank of the canal.[227] However, 30,000 to 45,000 of them were now encircled by the Israelis.[228][229]"




"Despite Israel's tactical successes west of the canal, the Egyptian military was reformed and organized. Consequently, according to Gamasy, the Israeli military position became "weak" for different reasons, "One, Israel now had a large force (about six or seven brigades) in a very limited area of land, surrounded from all sides either by natural or man-made barriers, or by the Egyptian forces. This put it in a weak position. Moreover, there were the difficulties in supplying this force, in evacuating it, in the lengthy communication lines, and in the daily attrition in men and equipment. Two, to protect these troops, the Israeli command had to allocate other forces (four or five brigades) to defend the entrances to the breach at the Deversoir. Three, to immobilize the Egyptian bridgeheads in Sinai the Israeli command had to allocate ten brigades to face the Second and Third army bridgeheads. In addition, it became necessary to keep the strategic reserves at their maximum state of alert. Thus, Israel was obliged to keep its armed force-and consequently the country-mobilized for a long period, at least until the war came to an end, because the ceasefire did not signal the end of the war. There is no doubt that this in total conflict with its military theories."[230] For those reasons and according to Dayan, "It was therefore thought that Israel would withdraw from the west bank, since she was most sensitive on the subject of soldier's lives." The Egyptian forces didn't pull to the west and held onto their positions east of the canal controlling both shores of the Suez Canal. None of the Canal's main cities were occupied by Israel; however, the city of Suez was surrounded.


"Algeria sent a squadron each of MiG-21s and Su-7s to Egypt, which arrived at the front between October 9 and October 11. It also sent an armored brigade of 150 tanks, the advance elements of which began to arrive on October 17, but reached the front only on October 24, too late to participate in the fighting. After the war, during the first days of November, Algeria deposited around US$200 million with the Soviet Union to finance arms purchases for Egypt and Syria.[2] Algerian fighter jets however did participate in attacks together with Egyptians and Iraqis.[329]"


Respectfully while we appreciate the money and help in Air combat, I'm not entirely sure you lost or fought any battles on the ground. Of course If you have evidence otherwise I would love to see it.



As for the politics, Arabs have done the vast majority of fighting for Palestine, with very little contribution of Palestinians themselves. This is what I meant, No one betrayed Palestine it was the old generation of Palestinians that had a lack of will and determination to fight and make a state that led Arab states to realize that making Palestine was nearly impossible and just a huge waste of resources and lives. While the current generation of Palestinians may be willing to fight, but the Arab states have way too many problems to actually have a full out war with one of the most advanced combat wise Nations in the WORLD.

Like I said if you care so much, then take up the banner and fight because Arabs are done.
 
.
Usrael lost all those wars , colonial France and England won them for themselves considering that they consider Jews as pariahs, they helped them by all means so that they stay far away from them, The US is doing the same athough less successful to prevent their state inside state..Sinai is back in Egypt and that was the objective of the Egyptians at that time , so they have won the war ..a total victory..without going much into disturbing details for Usraelis..
Syria did not get the Golan heights back, so it was troubled since that time, and that is from where comes the hatered of the Assads regimes..
Usrael was the most combat advanced in 1973 and yet was defeated, even with more than 50 billion $ of most advanced arms systems supplies in few weeks.. some of thenm Usraelis still live in denial of all this....
 
Last edited:
.
Democary vs Dictator
Hight fight spirit vs Low fight spirit
Fighting for sorvive vs Fighting for hate
High education vs Analfabet
Patriotizm vs Corruption
Usa vs Soviet Union
Soldiers following Comanders vs Comanders following Soldiers
Quality vs Quantity
1 vs 5

And the winner is... Democrscy!!!
 
.
On the Algerian military wiki page for the Yom kippur war it doesn't say anything about the Algerian brigade facing action, if you disagree then I suggest you edit the Wiki page
You base your findings on wiki. Wikipedia is not a credible source. No Egyptian has so far recognized the important role that Algerian played in 67 and 73 war. Even Sadat took him awhile to think Algeria for shouldering Egypt. You ask about proof, well if you went thru the whole 29 pages, you would have found plenty! here an Egyptian talking about the subject
[youtube]

"Algeria sent a battalion of infantry and a squadron of MiG-21s to Egypt during the 1967 Six Day War with Israel. While the troops did not see active service, reportedly six MiGs were lost.[4]
The loss was really to Egypt, since the MIG 21 were flown by Egyptian Pilots, Algerians flew only the Mig 17, the SU7 and the IL28 bomber.

Respectfully while we appreciate the money and help in Air combat, I'm not entirely sure you lost or fought any battles on the ground. Of course
In air combat we lost one Mig17 that was shot on its arrival to Egypt by friendly fire with the loss of the pilot, and another by the IDF, but the pilot managed to regain his base and landed safely. Beside these two aircrafts, the Algerian air force achieved all the task that were given to her.
[youtube]
[youtube]

Like I said if you care so much, then take up the banner and fight because Arabs are done.
Algeria has never quit supporting the Palestinian whether they are the aggressors or the aggressee. So far its the only country who kept its contribution to Palestine current. It was also the country that hosted the Palestinian Charter and the country that introduced the Palestinian question to be discussed in the UN , with Yasser Arafat presence, where he delivered a memorable speech., with the actual Algerian president ,introduced by the actual Algerian president who was presiding the session. Algerian have Palestine in their hear and nothing is going to stop the country from supporting the cause. There is similarity between the two in their struggle to gain their freedom and Algerian will always support freedom to the ones who live under colonialism.
[youtube]
Now with the arab state debacle , a state for the Palestinian will be achieved politically , since a military solution is out question.
palestine 6 1 16 algeria vs ghaza.jpg


In another hand Algeria has no complex toward Israel, since they know each other well, her task at hand is to be prepared against the Islamic Nato.

Arafat on Algerians

Kamelia Sadat on Algeria
[youtube]
 
.
Algeria has never quit supporting the Palestinian whether they are the aggressors or the aggressee. So far its the only country who kept its contribution to Palestine current. It was also the country that hosted the Palestinian Charter and the country that introduced the Palestinian question to be discussed in the UN , with Yasser Arafat presence, where he delivered a memorable speech., with the actual Algerian president ,introduced by the actual Algerian president who was presiding the session. Algerian have Palestine in their hear and nothing is going to stop the country from supporting the cause. There is similarity between the two in their struggle to gain their freedom and Algerian will always support freedom to the ones who live under colonialism.
[youtube]
Now with the arab state debacle , a state for the Palestinian will be achieved politically , since a military solution is out question.
palestine-6-1-16-algeria-vs-ghaza-jpg.329260


In another hand Algeria has no complex toward Israel, since they know each other well, her task at hand is to be prepared against the Islamic Nato.

You support them but have you gone to war for them? Arabs did that and you know what happened? We had conflicts with Israel for Decades upon Decades losing thousands upon thousands, putting our economy through a meat grinder and sacrificing the welfare of our own people and STILL Palestinians weren't determined enough or willing to help in a large way or make a serious attempt at creating statehood. NOBODY gets to say we betrayed them. Algeria may be willing to support them on the political side but will it be willing to support it in war? Can Algeria handle a full blown war with Israel? If you could why didn't you join? Arabs did this for decades and it took a long time before we opened up our eyes and realized that if Palestinians aren't determined to get their statehood then it's just useless. Algeria in it's war of independence was determined to get their own state, Palestine when we were fighting weren't. They Squandered their chance and now it is dust in the wind.

Also What Islamic NATO? Are you talking about the Arabs league 40,000 troops? Also how can you support Palestine and have no complex against Israel. If you see this as a war to take back their land then does that not mean you want to remove Israel from the map entirely?
 
.
Back
Top Bottom