Why Arabs lost all its wars to Israel despite outnumbering Israel in weapons and manpower?

[Ceylal]

The reason why Egypt joined in the Yemen war is because Houthis are ARMED REBELS, they want to scrap the current government with violence, which is terrible. If Algeria had a group of citizens that openly declared war on the government would you not want help?

You are smarter than that! The Sauds bailed Egypt from a melt down to a tune of $20B, your not going to tell me that Egypt went to battle the houthis for democratic reason, just like Egypt, KSA and all the Arab states are a shining democraties...Egypt sent her army because she has no choice but to obey the Sauds..
Funny you mentioned Algeria. During the 90's, All the Arab states were behind the terrorist, and the one they weren't behind, closed their door to Algeria and followed the Sauds rules...That is a bad example you chose..my friends..No arab muslim helped US, save the UAE that transferred some military equipment they bought for them selves from Switzerland.
All the fighting, we did it alone with help from south Africa and domestic industries..

Every Muslim country that doesn't follow them? Then how come when Egyptian courts overruled the choice to sell the Saudis their Islands back

These isles have been transferred to Saudi Arabia, by Sissi for the Saudi promise to build a bridge between the Saudi Territory and Sinai. Sissi did that without even consulting his people. The reaction of the Egyptian court is a smoke screen , it had no bearing on the outcome.

Egypt didn't erupt into civil war and NATO coalition bombings?

Egyptians remember the Tahrir square use of heavy machine guns and tanks, to subdue a peaceful popular gathering to show the its disapproval of overturning a legally elected government. Egypt is already at war with ISIS that the Sauds bankroll. And there is no need for NATO to bomb Egypt, since NATO is already present and anchored in Egypt.

Libya was bound to fall, their dictator while arguably nice and quite generous, he was going off the deep end. Iraq and Syria has nothing to do with the Saudis so I don't see how they ruined them, can we please keep this conversation from going to Conspiracy theories?

Friend, you are in dire need to broaden your reading. Kaddaffy has'nt done what they accused of...They destabilised
Libya, because of her wealth. France is known for that, she invaded Algeria for her treasury and keeps Western African country to this day for that same goal, but in a different manner.
Syria has a lot to do with the Sauds and the GCC, all that because oil and gas line easement that was refused to them by Assad.
For Iraq they are deeply involved due to the change of the leadership that went from a Sunni government to a Shia government, that the Sauds didn't digest well.

Also I'm not a Saudi false flagger, if you call every north african person who doesn't hate Saudis a false flagger, no wonder your notorious.

My notoriety comes from my writing that Saudi PDF's and others don't particularly like. I have always been truthful, straight to points., I am not An arab hater or a racist like I am so often tagged. But I am not a Saudi lover( understand we are talking government not people) or any other Arab state leader , including the sitting biped that we have as president.

I recently visited Egypt to visit relatives and every person I asked wether they be my relative or just a family friend they didn't hate Saudi Arabia in fact the majority of average people I asked were impressed by the Saudis and how much they have progressed.
How is that? They came to Egypt and consider everyone who is not a Saud a wretch of the earth. And where ever they go moral filth follows them...

The Arab league is essential to building a better middle east.

The Arab league is essential as tits in a wild boar. Tell one thing that Arab has done that positively benefited her members..

 

[Ceylal]

No country in the middle East and Muslim world can beat/defeat Israel militarily. Israel is far ahead of them in almost every field. This is a fact, not a discussion. The only country I can think of who will give Israel a run for its money is Turkey.

In truth, she won't be able to handle Turkey, because of its proximity.

You as an Algerian,why are you ranting against Israel so much like the mullahs?lol

I am not ranting against Israel, I have just answered some hypothetical questions. I don't make think up...Israel and Algeria have a different political position in regard to Palestine and Palestinians. Algeria's has never weavered, and Israel's to. Are they enemies? I don't think so, they antagonise each other, but that where it stops.

I don't think Algeria ever had any conflict of interests with Israel. so I fail to understand your hatred. Lol

Here we go again? aren't we allowed to discuss Israel without getting tagged as a hater or racist or anti semite? I don't hate Israel, the best friend I have in the US are jews..But I don't take kindly what they doing to the Palestinian, that is immoral and history won't be kind to her, since they themselves suffered undeniable suffering during the great war, yet they forgot all that and are doing the samething to others.

If Algeria was so against Israel, why don't you attack/fight them directly then?

I don't why your so ennerved about a subject that was first hypothetical, second how it does affect you..If you have something to contribute, please be my guest.

Ranting and rhetoric never achieved anything(as I said before to the Iranians) . So its better to fit it out directly then instead if ranting every time like Kim Jung Un(o ly that Fat Kim at least attacks S.Korea directly at times) ,that way we can all settle this thing once and for all. Simple.

Have you heard lately your politicians? You talk about Iran and North Korea, both countries have achieved some goals that unattainable if they were docile. Their ranting and rethoric payed off , since they were able to keep their respective unity intact and their country unmolested.

 

[mike2000 is back]

In truth, she won't be able to handle Turkey, because of its proximity.




I am not ranting against Israel, I have just answered some hypothetical questions. I don't make think up...Israel and Algeria have a different political position in regard to Palestine and Palestinians. Algeria's has never weavered, and Israel's to. Are they enemies? I don't think so, they antagonise each other, but that where it stops.

Here we go again? aren't we allowed to discuss Israel without getting tagged as a hater or racist or anti semite? I don't hate Israel, the best friend I have in the US are jews..But I don't take kindly what they doing to the Palestinian, that is immoral and history won't be kind to her, since they themselves suffered undeniable suffering during the great war, yet they forgot all that and are doing the samething to others.

I don't why your so ennerved about a subject that was first hypothetical, second how it does affect you..If you have something to contribute, please be my guest.



Have you heard lately your politicians? You talk about Iran and North Korea, both countries have achieved some goals that unattainable if they were docile. Their ranting and rethoric payed off , since they were able to keep their respective unity intact and their country unmolested.

Lool what have they achieved with their ranting and propaganda/rhetoric??
N.Korea is an impoverished third world country that the whole world and even the Chinese have given up on while their southern counterpart is one of the wealthiest and most advanced country in the world. Have you ever seen a N.Korean abroad and how the are even regarded compared to S.Korea (whose Citizens are highly regarded/respected around the globe).

Iran has suffered under sanctions which they could have avoided exactly because of their constant empty rant/rhetorics, so much so that most of its youth who should have been the future of the country are fleeing/immigrating to the west (under the guise of refugees/persecution) due to economic hardships and authoritarianism.
For a country their size they should be at least among the G20 like Turkey(who has almost 3 times Iran's economy, despite having no natural resources and similar population) yet they have one of the lowest nominal GDP and GDP per capital in the middle East. Actually Nigeria has a far bigger GDP/economy than Iran. So I fail to see what their constant empty rants has achieved. They would still have maintained their unity like they have for over a century irregardless of the mullahs ranting or not. So I fail to see your point.

If anything both countries should be among the largest economic power and wealthiest country in the world. Especially Iran giving it's huge population/landmass and vast natural resources.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

You are smarter than that! The Sauds bailed Egypt from a melt down to a tune of $20B, your not going to tell me that Egypt went to battle the houthis for democratic reason, just like Egypt, KSA and all the Arab states are a shining democraties...Egypt sent her army because she has no choice but to obey the Sauds..
Funny you mentioned Algeria. During the 90's, All the Arab states were behind the terrorist, and the one they weren't behind, closed their door to Algeria and followed the Sauds rules...That is a bad example you chose..my friends..No arab muslim helped US, save the UAE that transferred some military equipment they bought for them selves from Switzerland.
All the fighting, we did it alone with help from south Africa and domestic industries..

Egypt has to obey the Saudis? Since when? Houthi rebels are trying to overthrow the current government of Yemen, This is why Egypt has gotten involved, Egypt is not the lap dog of Saudi Arabia.

Good for you,glad to know your country survived terrorism and continues too. But the Current Yemen government requires that help, Yemen is simply not as advanced or as rich as Algeria.

These isles have been transferred to Saudi Arabia, by Sissi for the Saudi promise to build a bridge between the Saudi Territory and Sinai. Sissi did that without even consulting his people. The reaction of the Egyptian court is a smoke screen , it had no bearing on the outcome.

The Egyptian people like the Idea of a bridge between Saudi Arabia and Egypt and since when does the Egyptian people need to be consulted for every single project? There was no popular vote for the building of the 2nd Suez Canal. The Egyptian courts have a lot of power, to wipe them away would be a very dumb thing to do.

Friend, you are in dire need to broaden your reading. Kaddaffy has'nt done what they accused of...They destabilised
Libya, because of her wealth. France is known for that, she invaded Algeria for her treasury and keeps Western African country to this day for that same goal, but in a different manner.
Syria has a lot to do with the Sauds and the GCC, all that because oil and gas line easement that was refused to them by Assad.
For Iraq they are deeply involved due to the change of the leadership that went from a Sunni government to a Shia government, that the Sauds didn't digest well.

Gaddafi while did a great many things like support black-rights and civil movements and end apartheid in South Africa but he did do a great many bad things, Like fund radical groups and terrorists that still kill people to this day, I do not care about NATO propaganda.


ISIS is not bankrolled by Saudi Arabia considering they attacked Saudi Arabia many times including the borders of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Syrian rebels are bankrolled by America because they want to spread "democracy"

My notoriety comes from my writing that Saudi PDF's and others don't particularly like. I have always been truthful, straight to points., I am not An arab hater or a racist like I am so often tagged. But I am not a Saudi lover( understand we are talking government not people) or any other Arab state leader , including the sitting biped that we have as president.

I don't like the Saudi Government either but I'm willing to acknowledge the rights and goods it does just like Gaddafi. The Saudi government has done a LOT for it's fellow muslim countries without them Egypt would literally be torn apart from economic ruin and lack of political stability this is a truth. The Saudi government while having it's faults with Yemen and over ambitious princes who step wayyyyyy out of line, is actually pretty good government but I would honestly prefer if they actually showed some progress of being Tech,Scientifically,and Militarily independent.


Saudis I'm pretty sure don't hate everyone who isn't Saudi guessing by the Saudi members they actually seem quite nice and intelligent.


Also the Arab league has done great things

for example

"
April 23, 2006 - Arab League Spokesman Hisham Yusif announces that the organization has promised to transfer $50 million to the Hamas-governed Palestinian Authority. This is in reaction the United States and European Union cutting off direct funding to the Hamas-led government that assumed power March 30."


It just takes time to truly see the real changes the Arab league has brought.

 

[saynow]

topic is all about changing history and how you look at it
but lets look now to what happening
we are winning we got our terroritory
and they suported by us and nato and so much money
but we are winning

 

[Solomon2]

Here it isView attachment 314767

BTW, the CIA says these are EGYPTIAN soldiers, not Israelis!

 

[The SC]

You are smarter than that! The Sauds bailed Egypt from a melt down to a tune of $20B, your not going to tell me that Egypt went to battle the houthis for democratic reason, just like Egypt, KSA and all the Arab states are a shining democraties...Egypt sent her army because she has no choice but to obey the Sauds..
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You forgot one important point, that the US wanted a way out of the Middle East and that created a void clearly filled by the GCC and Egypt, Sudan..,etc in Yemen, The Russians and the Iranians in Syria, and the Iranians again in Iraq.. So this is much bigger than what is believed and propagated by the ignorant media..
By the way the 20 billion$ loan or investment in Egypt was more for stimulating the Egyptian economy than bailing it out, it was also in KSA interest to do so..

 

[Amun]

BTW, the CIA says these are EGYPTIAN soldiers, not Israelis!

That's a nice one man

 

[The SC]

The title of the thread is totally false: the thing is, the Arabs have lost some battles, but they never lost a war.. besides that, since 1948 they were always fighting world powers ganging up on them and disguised as Usrael..
The only real war was the Ramadan war in 1973 Where they fought the US openly through its proxy Usrael and they won big time.. They have trapped the Bulge of the Usraeli Army on the West side of Sinai, and ultimately they got back the Sinai peninsula, while on the Syrian front, a political decision had the Syrian armed divisions to stop its advance, because in reality they were about 20 km from the bridges that separated Usrael from the Golan heights and they controlled the heights, but a wide guess is that they wanted to give Usrael a lesson in warfare and that what has happened, they were told to get back around 40 or more km and they let the IDF advance where they had a fight for their lives..



P.S: I am not here to argue with anyone on these matters, I have stated enough facts in this thread, that are mostly open knowledge for the ones who seek the truth genuinely..

 

[fatman17]

Why do you think Arab armies despite being united for once, couldn't defeat a tiny country like Israel? Despite arab armies being heavily backed by USSR in Yom Kippur war, couldn't dent Israel??


Arabs had infact superior artillery and equipment, and larger no. of tanks and man power. Still Israel humiliated them???




What's the biggest reason for their defeats in all the wars (Yom Kippur, 6Day war etc.) ?? And even if u say that US backed Israel it gets countered as USSR heavily backed Arabs and provided them with SAM batteries but they still couldn't do sh*t and Arab plans were target practice for the Israeli Mirages.


So, thoughts?? Have the Arabs lost the art of War and became too soft or horrible tactics or what??

Fat Generals.

 

[Solomon2]

That's a nice one man

You can laugh but as an American I'm upset. At the very least I'd expect the CIA to have the wit to read the insignia on the uniforms but noooo.....

 

[Ceylal]

You forgot one important point, that the US wanted a way out of the Middle East and that created a void clearly filled by the GCC and Egypt, Sudan..,etc in Yemen, The Russians and the Iranians in Syria, and the Iranians again in Iraq.. So this is much bigger than what is believed and propagated by the ignorant media..
By the way the 20 billion$ loan or investment in Egypt was more for stimulating the Egyptian economy than bailing it out, it was also in KSA interest to do so..

First of all, the US will never a strategic area as the middle east. For you to say that they wanted the void created by their exit to be filled by Egypt, KSA, Sudan its an oxymoron. Egypt and KSA both need the US for their internal stability and security and Sudan is living on Saudi stipend.
The $20B Saudi is a bailout anyway you dice it..Without them Egypt would have sinked in a civil war. For the Saud nothing is free, they just bought themselves a country with its army.

 

[The SC]

First of all, the US will never a strategic area as the middle east. For you to say that they wanted the void created by their exit to be filled by Egypt, KSA, Sudan its an oxymoron. Egypt and KSA both need the US for their internal stability and security and Sudan is living on Saudi stipend.
The $20B Saudi is a bailout anyway you dice it..Without them Egypt would have sinked in a civil war. For the Saud nothing is free, they just bought themselves a country with its army.

You can just refer to the latest Egyptian stance on Syria, that alone voids your claims of a bailout..
The US handed Yemen to SA and its Arab coalition, and its presence in Syria is at its minimum, add to this the coming of Trump and you might get a clearer picture instead of writing from your wishful thinking.

 

[Ceylal]

You can just refer to the latest Egyptian stance on Syria

First of all, Egyptians are not in Syria, they have never been sighted in Syria and the Egyptian government denied sending troops or its desire to be involved in Syria, citing her non intervention in Arab states internal affair

The US handed Yemen to SA and its Arab coalition

The US didn't hand Yemen to the GCC and its Arab coalition, they were more likely drawn into the war to protect its arms industry and their weaponry from being denatured by the Sauds and their suites of incapable Sunnis armies..

the coming of Trump and you might get a clearer picture instead of writing from your wishful thinking.

Trumps will follow the same stance and the same politics than his predecessors. The little difference is he is going to join the Russians and the Syrians and fight ISIS like it was intended and make the Sauds and the GCC as well as Europe to pay to play. Under his presidency, the US will no longueur shoulder the high price of keeping the peace. Everything else you said, shows that you need to brush up in world politics and specially that of the middle east.

 

[Muhammed45]

Because Arabs were not united and some of them had accepted loss in coordination with UK's monarchy including Jordan and KSA. These countries stabbed Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Lebanon in the back. In fact Saudis helped greater Israel.
Saudi kingdom has a long history of betrayal and stabbing Muslim countries. Attacking Sunnis and ShiAs of Yemen, helping Israel to massacre Palestinians and Lebanese people are the witness of their betrayal.
It's unfair if i don't say that our witless king of Pahlavi morons and traitors helped Israel. Thank God we kicked that stooge of UK's monarchy out of our country. It's almost 40 years we are waiting on the rise of our Arabic Muslim brothers.