West Bengal name change to "Bangla" and Bangladesh's national anthem dilemma

[dray]

Since West Bengal is now officially called 'Bangla' I will call it Bangla.

80% of Bangla people have Bangladesh roots. Bangla people fled Bangladesh to India due to religious persecution of radical Jamaatis / fundamentalists. These people are called 'Bangal' (In Hindi it means land of Bengal but in Bengali the word is used to refer people of Bangladesh land, so two different meaning). @Rain Man 's family was one of such unfortunate family who got kicked of from Bangladesh at the time of partition. Its really sad. So they are always uncomfortable talking about the past. India sheltered Bangal people in Bangla and they are very thankful to India for this reason. Its our fault that we didn't keep our own people in our country but it doesn't mean they are not Bangladeshi.

Bangladesh is not a new name. The whole Bengal was one time called Bangladesh. Ask your Bengali friends if I am wrong. Still people of Bangla (West Bengalis) call 'Banglar Mati, Banglar Jol' (Bangla's soil, Bangla's water), not Bharoter Mati, Bharoter Jol.

There is a popular proverb in Bangla. 'What Bangla thinks today India thinks tomorrow.' Here they themselves make a distinction between Bangla and India.

When I say Bangla is de facto Bangladesh I am not wrong or exaggerating.

80% of Bengalis are not from the part of India that later became East Pakistan and then Bangladesh, that's a huge exaggeration.

All the Bengalis are basically Indians, after the partition some were fortunate to have their land within India only, and then there were many who had their homes on the other side of the border in the newly created country on bigoted religious lines, they suddenly had a new false nationality. Some had no option but to accept it, some moved on to this part of the border, and many were forced out without any chance to at least sell their ancestral properties, and that process of stealing others' land and property in Bangladeshi started even before the partition, and still continuing.

BTW, my families left their ancestral homes when those were parts of India only, that is before the partition, though it was not a very peaceful or desired way of leaving ones ancestral home, but at least we didn't have to accept any foreign nationality even for a day, we were always Indians.

 

[kobiraaz]

Says a Bangladeshi who had three different nationalities in the last 70 years.



Open google and search for your prophet along with some very objectionable words, you will find "Multiple online sources", I hope you will accept that all those links have credence by your own standard of credibility. I could provide you links, but that's against the forum rules.

If you think you are insulting me by saying so, Let me remind you I feel nothing. Every step of Muhammad's life was recorded by his contemporaries and I have gone over them thousand times.

Common Go ahead. Tell me what I didn't know. Also inform me about the birth of Bhardwaja. I guess frequently mentioned mod @waz will allllow one single post for the sake of Knowledge.

Bangla-Deshis have only 2 options either Choose

Indonesian way (Proud of their roots and Hindu-Buddhist culture)
or
Adopt Arabic way aka Pakistan way (Proud slaves.... There is no Proud slave!! )

Gotta feel for you. The Indian way is the caste based Aryan way..I pity any one who follows the culture.

Bengalis accepted the Buddhists culture. Dr. Dineshchandra mentioned it once why there is no pre Muslim Bengali literature available glorifying Hindu Kings. But thousands of them can be found glorifying Buddhists King llike Dharmapala.

Because We hated hindu society even when we were not Muslims. Probably explains the reason Bakhtiyar won with only 17 horsemen. Because no one stood behind the Hindu King.

we were always Indians.

Joke of the century.

Then kindly describe why did your ancestors fight for Varmans of Vangaladesha against the Ancestors of Nilgiri Rajendra Chola.

India is greek name given to a region unified by the United kingdom. Speak the truth and confess that you are a confused federation of multiple clustered nation.

 

[Riyad]

80% of Bengalis are not from the part of India that later became East Pakistan and then Bangladesh, that's a huge exaggeration.

All the Bengalis are basically Indians, after the partition some were fortunate to have their land within India only, and then there were many who had their homes on the other side of the border in the newly created country on bigoted religious lines, they suddenly had a new false nationality. Some had no option but to accept it, some moved on to this part of the border, and many were forced out without any chance to at least sell their ancestral properties, and that process of stealing others' land and property in Bangladeshi started even before the partition, and still continuing.

BTW, my families left their ancestral homes when those were parts of India only, that is before the partition, though it was not a very peaceful or desired way of leaving ones ancestral home, but at least we didn't have to accept any foreign nationality even for a day, we were always Indians.

Bangla is nothing but extension of Bangladesh. Yours is a small piece of land which no body knows whether its part of Bangladesh or different country. Since your state name is now Bangla you are slowly moving towards becoming part of your original country Bangladesh. We will welcome you once you take the final step of becoming full Bangladeshi.

 

[Saiful Islam]

No one cares what you personally think or feel or claim to have seen or havent seen.

Point is racism and discrimination abound in BD at all levels, one need not look beyond some members here in this subforum....to imagine how bad it can be in BD.

This racism/discrimination/prejudices are even exported as BD people move to other countries....and its made even more ironic given their pitiful state of 70%+ poverty in places like the UK.

United Nations recognizes the problem of Muslim Dalits in BD....you can be blind to the reality to play some "we are superior to India and Hindus in treating everyone equal" among yourselves....point is everyone else sees it quite differently and beyond your silly "everything is fine here---really!" claims.

So again in case you didn't get it.....no one that matters gives a damn about your claims of what BD society is. No one is certainly in a rush to see it for themselves anyway....not after Gulshan especially.

Like I said I dont bother what some islamicist trolls say on a defence forum (especially one with a mass murdering war criminal on his DP). I care only about BD people's opinions I make friends with in real life (and they are generally much more open to the issues and accept BD isnt some special haven of tolerance and equality) and also what a neutral authority like the UN has to say on the matter.

If you want to wear a blindfold when the mirror is shown to you lot, be my guest. It only helps India dominate your excuse of a country even more over time. Self-denial only props up weaknesses we can exploit easily on top of what we are already doing. Remember that.



More self denial. The 70% poverty rate must be really rotting your head.

Like I said I dont bother what some islamicist trolls say on a defence forum (especially one with a mass murdering war criminal on his DP). I care only about BD people's opinions I make friends with in real life (and they are generally much more open to the issues and accept BD isnt some special haven of tolerance and equality) and also what a neutral authority like the UN has to say on the matter.

If you want to wear a blindfold when the mirror is shown to you lot, be my guest. It only helps India dominate your excuse of a country even more over time. Self-denial only props up weaknesses we can exploit easily on top of what we are already doing. Remember that.



More self denial. The 70% poverty rate must be really rotting your head.

It went from being "Islamist" to "Islamicist". It doesn't matter what a few of your friends are saying but they must be a very special bunch. You've gone to babble on about tolerance and equality but all I've stated was a simple fact; there is no Dalit phenomenon going on here, the people are not used to the term/word and a person being of Dalit heritage would not be relevant.

You have gone on to talk about self denial, why I have been labelled this not a clue. But last time I checked 95% of BD is Muslim therefore it makes sense that the overseas communities would comprise of Bangladeshi Muslims.

Nobody knows Bangladesh, Bengali means us. You are Bangladeshi.

When you start putting in the hard work globally then I'll consider calling you a Bengali puthar.

 

[dray]

If you think you are insulting me by saying so, Let me remind you I feel nothing. Every step of Muhammad's life was recorded by his contemporaries and I have gone over them thousand times.

Common Go ahead. Tell me what I didn't know. Also inform me about the birth of Bhardwaja. I guess frequently mentioned mod @waz will allllow one single post for the sake of Knowledge.

No, I am not trying to insult you, just showing the stupidity of your thinking that if you have 10 internet links for something, then it has credence.

And again no, this forum doesn't tolerate anything against Islam even for a mature discussion, I have tried that previously and it was not encouraged. But you are free to google, I already gave you the tips.

Joke of the century.

Then kindly describe why did your ancestors fight for Varmans of Vangaladesha against the Ancestors of Nilgiri Rajendra Chola.

India is greek name given to a region unified by the United kingdom. Speak the truth and confess that you are a confused federation of multiple clustered nation.

Nonsense. The concept of nation state based on democracy, autocracy, communism, socialism, capitalism, etc. are a new concept for the entire world, previously the whole world was divided between small kingdoms ruled by several monarchs, same was for India. But the civilization entity is the same. Some of our oldest texts also mention Bharatvarsh. Like many other ancient civilizations, our country also has several names.

Bangla is nothing but extension of Bangladesh. Yours is a small piece of land which no body knows whether its part of Bangladesh or different country. Since your state name is now Bangla you are slowly moving towards becoming part of your original country Bangladesh. We will welcome you once you take the final step of becoming full Bangladeshi.

Bengal and Bangladesh was one once, then some people started accepting an alien ideology, alienated themselves from the rest of Bengal, as well as India, and later separated permanently to have their own country Bangladesh. Bengalis are those who didn't change their basic culture and ideology, Bangladeshis are those who have diluted their Bengali culture and identity by mixing Arabic culture in it, and became a 'half-Bengali-half-Arabic' civilization.

When you start putting in the hard work globally then I'll consider calling you a Bengali puthar.

What hard work? Illegally migrating to other countries for menial jobs and opening awful restaurants everywhere and calling them 'Indian restaurants'??

 

[Trumpcard]

http://carnegieendowment.org/2016/0...india-toward-comprehensive-solution-pub-63931

http://www.ibtimes.com/indias-mexican-problem-illegal-immigration-bangladesh-213993

http://www.rahulmehta.com/articles/prob_bd_immigration.htm

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/india-resolving-the-bangladesh-immigration-issue/

https://www.thequint.com/opinion/20...g-with-fire-on-illegal-bangladeshi-immigrants

Just to give an idea to our rich and wealthy bangladeshi neighbours employing Indians, stop living in denial!
@kobiraaz

 

[kobiraaz]

http://carnegieendowment.org/2016/0...india-toward-comprehensive-solution-pub-63931

http://www.ibtimes.com/indias-mexican-problem-illegal-immigration-bangladesh-213993

http://www.rahulmehta.com/articles/prob_bd_immigration.htm

http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/india-resolving-the-bangladesh-immigration-issue/

https://www.thequint.com/opinion/20...g-with-fire-on-illegal-bangladeshi-immigrants

Just to give an idea to our rich and wealthy bangladeshi neighbours employing Indians, stop living in denial!
@kobiraaz

You have "Millions " of illegal Bangladeshis and you cant send them back. Are you that weak? Can't even overpower Bangladesh. If you can't do shiit stop complaining. Cry babies.

 

[Trumpcard]

You have "Millions " of illegal Bangladeshis and you cant send them back. Are you that weak? Can't even overpower Bangladesh. If you can't do shiit stop complaining. Cry babies.

This is what you comprehend from all this! Haha

 

[kobiraaz]

This is what you comprehend from all this! Haha

I comprehend that Your political leaders use the Issue in politics and go silent when Bangladeshi officials sit before them.

 

[Trumpcard]

I comprehend that Your political leaders use the Issue in politics and go silent when Bangladeshi officials sit before them.

Haha you da bossman!! Are you guys badasses like this in real life too??
Indian politicians go silent in front of bangladeshi officials??In that case hasina must have them pee in their pants....

 

[Riyad]

Bengal and Bangladesh was one once, then some people started accepting an alien ideology, alienated themselves from the rest of Bengal, as well as India, and later separated permanently to have their own country Bangladesh. Bengalis are those who didn't change their basic culture and ideology, Bangladeshis are those who have diluted their Bengali culture and identity by mixing Arabic culture in it, and became a 'half-Bengali-half-Arabic' civilization.

Bangla and Bangladesh are still one but people like you who are Islamophobic always try to relate religion with ethnicity. Bangla doesn't have Muslims? Do they follow Arabic culture? By this logic all Muslim majority countries follow Arabic culture. We were Bengali, will remain Bengali because you can change your religion but can't change your ethnicity even if you try hard.

We haven't diluted our Bengali culture. Its you who have diluted Bengali culture to Hindustani culture. Our country is based on Bengali nationalism. We are more Bengali torch bearer than you to the world. We fought to establish Bengali language. Due to us world celebrates mother language day. What have you done for Bengali language? Nothing. Just big talk. Now just don't give some example of ancient novelists and poets. They were as much ours as yours. So you don't have exclusive rights to them. Due to us you can type in Bengali because you use our language software. So be thankful to Bangladesh.

 

[Nilgiri]

It went from being "Islamist" to "Islamicist". It doesn't matter what a few of your friends are saying but they must be a very special bunch. You've gone to babble on about tolerance and equality but all I've stated was a simple fact; there is no Dalit phenomenon going on here, the people are not used to the term/word and a person being of Dalit heritage would not be relevant.

You have gone on to talk about self denial, why I have been labelled this not a clue. But last time I checked 95% of BD is Muslim therefore it makes sense that the overseas communities would comprise of Bangladeshi Muslims.

Live in Denial all you want. You probably think East Pakistan still exists too

 

[Saiful Islam]

No, I am not trying to insult you, just showing the stupidity of your thinking that if you have 10 internet links for something, then it has credence.

And again no, this forum doesn't tolerate anything against Islam even for a mature discussion, I have tried that previously and it was not encouraged. But you are free to google, I already gave you the tips.



Nonsense. The concept of nation state based on democracy, autocracy, communism, socialism, capitalism, etc. are a new concept for the entire world, previously the whole world was divided between small kingdoms ruled by several monarchs, same was for India. But the civilization entity is the same. Some of our oldest texts also mention Bharatvarsh. Like many other ancient civilizations, our country also has several names.



Bengal and Bangladesh was one once, then some people started accepting an alien ideology, alienated themselves from the rest of Bengal, as well as India, and later separated permanently to have their own country Bangladesh. Bengalis are those who didn't change their basic culture and ideology, Bangladeshis are those who have diluted their Bengali culture and identity by mixing Arabic culture in it, and became a 'half-Bengali-half-Arabic' civilization.



What hard work? Illegally migrating to other countries for menial jobs and opening awful restaurants everywhere and calling them 'Indian restaurants'??

Tell me when you have a fair representation in Indian society.

Live in Denial all you want. You probably think East Pakistan still exists too

I'm a very proud Bangladeshi Muslim who honours the greats of Bengal such as Bakhtiyar Khilji & of course Hazrat Shahjalal Ad Din Al Mujarrid Al Naqshbandi.

 

[bongbang]

@Rain Man what part you dont understand. Bangladesh means, Land of Bangla and Bangladeshi means Bengali people? Is it too hard to understand?
I was proposing to change the national anthem to ease on confusion. When someone sings Sonar Bangla or chant Joy Bangla, he means the Bangladesh area. Bangladesh could easily name itself Bangla during liberation war. But all understand this, either part dont have exclusive right on total Bangla but inch of these areas are Banglas. So they opted modified Bangla name which is Bangladesh. But West Bengal now started confusion by laying claim on total name in a hope to re brand itself. Not to forget, no one knew these areas as Bangla but Muslim rulers first unified these areas and took the name Vangala from one region and named total region the same, before that one area maybe known as Gauda, one Pundra, Samatat, Harikela, Vanga etc.

 

[Nilgiri]

I'm a very proud Bangladeshi Muslim who honours the greats of Bengal such as Bakhtiyar Khilji & of course Hazrat Shahjalal Ad Din Al Mujarrid Al Naqshbandi.

Yup very Bengali sounding names indeed.

Good to see another Jamati got hanged today.

BD needs to be rid of these jamati pests who cause so much discrimination and violent actions (either direct or indirect) on others.

Fact of the matter is the UN clearly stipulates massive discrimination in BD....so a person like you who thrives on it personally while attempting to deny it is a hypocrite and one that deserves to see his ilk back home get hanged one by one.

I am enjoying watching you lose and have to bleat from the shores of a foreign country like the chagu you are.

BAAAAAAAAAA.