West Bengal name change to "Bangla" and Bangladesh's national anthem dilemma

[bluesky]

Bengal and Bangladesh was one once, then some people started accepting an alien ideology, alienated themselves from the rest of Bengal, as well as India, and later separated permanently to have their own country Bangladesh. Bengalis are those who didn't change their basic culture and ideology, Bangladeshis are those who have diluted their Bengali culture and identity by mixing Arabic culture in it, and became a 'half-Bengali-half-Arabic' civilization.

You mentioned only the final outcome of a process that ended in which is called 'Partition' of Bengal, Punjab and India in 1947. But, very conveniently you forgot to mentiont the causes of this partition. It was in 1905 that the British rulers came forward to divide Bengal and join the east with Assam in order to safekeeping the interest of the Muslims. Bangali Babu Hindus came with an agitation ploy that undid it.

All-India Muslim League was formed in Dhaka in 1910-11 to safeguard the Muslim interest throughout India. There was a chain of events during the next four decades and the final outcome was Partition.

 

[Anubis]

Irony:
The term gained official status during the Sultanate of Bengal in the 14th century.[27][28] Shamsuddin Ilyas Shah proclaimed himself as the first "Shah of Bangala" in 1342.[27] The word Bangla became the most common name for the region during the Islamic period.
Guess what this place was called in 800AD.......Bangladesh!

 

[dray]

Bangla and Bangladesh are still one but people like you who are Islamophobic always try to relate religion with ethnicity. Bangla doesn't have Muslims? Do they follow Arabic culture? By this logic all Muslim majority countries follow Arabic culture. We were Bengali, will remain Bengali because you can change your religion but can't change your ethnicity even if you try hard.

We haven't diluted our Bengali culture. Its you who have diluted Bengali culture to Hindustani culture. Our country is based on Bengali nationalism. We are more Bengali torch bearer than you to the world. We fought to establish Bengali language. Due to us world celebrates mother language day. What have you done for Bengali language? Nothing. Just big talk. Now just don't give some example of ancient novelists and poets. They were as much ours as yours. So you don't have exclusive rights to them. Due to us you can type in Bengali because you use our language software. So be thankful to Bangladesh.

Ha? Bangladeshis divided Bengal to have their own "Muslim country", parted ways with Hindu Bengalis, and persecuted, massacred, their fellow Bengalis on the basis of religion, compelled them for a forced-exodus, which is still continuing even today, and I am the one "Relating religion with ethnicity"??

The "Bengali nationalism" in Bangladesh is an afterthought when "Islamic nationalism" didn't work...do remember that the partition happened to create "East Pakistan", not "Bangladesh", and I am sure you know the difference.

Bangladeshis' ethnicity didn't change, but their culture surely got significantly influenced by the 'Arab culture'...whatever that is.......and the Arab influence in Bangladesh is increasing with every passing day. Here in this forum 80% of your fellow countrymen despise everything "Bengali", calling them 'Hindu culture', insulting every Bengali icon worth mentioning...........apparently you are a small minority in Bangladesh, at least in this forum, who want anything to do with a "Bengali identity".

Tell me when you have a fair representation in Indian society.

What is that? We need to breed more?

@Rain Man what part you dont understand. Bangladesh means, Land of Bangla and Bangladeshi means Bengali people? Is it too hard to understand?
I was proposing to change the national anthem to ease on confusion. When someone sings Sonar Bangla or chant Joy Bangla, he means the Bangladesh area. Bangladesh could easily name itself Bangla during liberation war. But all understand this, either part dont have exclusive right on total Bangla but inch of these areas are Banglas. So they opted modified Bangla name which is Bangladesh. But West Bengal now started confusion by laying claim on total name in a hope to re brand itself. Not to forget, no one knew these areas as Bangla but Muslim rulers first unified these areas and took the name Vangala from one region and named total region the same, before that one area maybe known as Gauda, one Pundra, Samatat, Harikela, Vanga etc.

Eventually the name Bengal/Bangla will survive because of us, your compatriots here would prefer to sink the name "Bangladesh" somewhere deep in the Bay of Bengal if they could, and they are getting stronger and will come to power some day...

You mentioned only the final outcome of a process that ended in which is called 'Partition' of Bengal, Punjab and India in 1947. But, very conveniently you forgot to mentiont the causes of this partition. It was in 1905 that the British rulers came forward to divide Bengal and join the east with Assam in order to safekeeping the interest of the Muslims. Bangali Babu Hindus came with an agitation ploy that undid it.

All-India Muslim League was formed in Dhaka in 1910-11 to safeguard the Muslim interest throughout India. There was a chain of events during the next four decades and the final outcome was Partition.

That's what I am saying, Bangladeshis' religious identity is far more important than their ethnic identity, that makes them Bangladeshis, not Bengalis.

 

[kobiraaz]

@Rain Man You sound stupid when you keep saying Muslim divided Bengal. I taught you a bit history before. Seems it didn't penetratedd your thick skull. Bengali Muslim leaders tried to keep an united Bengal. Very well leave Muslims. Shyama Prasad mukharjee declared that they wanted to divide Bengal even if the Muslim east remains with India.

So stop spilling this garbage from your head in every single post. I can avoid it once or twice. But it becomes an annoyance if you keep repeating it.

 

[Riyad]

@Rain Man

What Arab influence are you talking about? Do Bangladeshis speak Arabic? Do Bangladeshis wear Arabic white dress with red scarf? Bangladeshi men wear western dresses and women wear sharee and salwar Kamiz. How is it Arabic influence? We are generally xenophobic against anything which is not Bengali. We hate Arab society. 40 thousands Bangladeshi workers are sent back from Saudi Arabia because they couldn't adapt with the culture of the 'kingdom'. Arab is culturally alien to us. We generally prefer Persian over Arabic culture. Arab doesn't have any strong culture. BD Muslim culture is influenced by Persian culture to a large extent, not Arab culture. We actually make fun of Arab culture on TV. In TV comedy dramas we mock Saudi Arabian culture. We also mock Indian Hindi serial culture in these shows.

 

[Nilgiri]

Eventually the name Bengal/Bangla will survive because of us, your compatriots here would prefer to sink the name "Bangladesh" somewhere deep in the Bay of Bengal if they could, and they are getting stronger and will come to power some day.

I look forward to that day. We have some unfinished business that needs attending to. BD needs another liberation war.

 

[Riyad]

That's what I am saying, Bangladeshis' religious identity is far more important than their ethnic identity, that makes them Bangladeshis, not Bengalis.

Bangladeshis are in majority Muslims by faith but around only 40% are practicing Muslims. Other Muslims just offer friday prayer and other Muslim festivals but hardly offer the obligatory 5 times Namaz. Among youth may be 20% offer 5 times Namaz daily. How that makes Bangladeshis hardcore religious? We are hardcore Muslim by faith but not in practice. Does it make us less Bengali? So Bengali means Hindu, not Muslim? Who gave you this theory?

Muslims irrespective of ethnicity have very strong religious identity. Its true for Bangla Muslims as well, not only Bangladeshi Muslims.

 

[Nilgiri]

We also mock Indian Hindi serial culture in these shows.

Yet you are all so addicted to watching Indian TV shows....because you have severe cultural inferiority complex (esp since 1971) and are extremely confused about your identity.

Genuine Bengali culture does not propagate hacking of atheists and Hindus....nor Gulshan style terrorist atrocities....or attacking Hindu places of worship in mob fashion.....all of which are happening in BD now. There is a systemic rot within BD that has set in....thats what Rain Man is talking about.

Bangladeshis are in majority Muslims by faith but around only 40% are practicing Muslims.

We don't care how many are "practicing" muslims.....or what your claim their percentage is.

Were the Gulshan types "practicing" muslims? What a disgusting thing for you to delineate on. There are plenty of patriotic Indians that are "practicing" muslims whatever level they "practice" on....that stay true to Indian culture and Indian identity.

Extremism and terrorism does not have much to do with practice of the religion and everything to do with cultural inferiority complex, identity confusion and lots of other prime motives....both internally and externally imposed....that BD seems to be living in la-la land about.

You will prove with time just how un-Bengali you lot all are. We only need to wait and watch (and build a fence, give more bullets to BSF and shove all the lot you have sent into our country back to your "country")

 

[Riyad]

@Nilgiri

We are not 'extremely' confused with our identity. We are Bangladeshi Bangalis. The confused people are living in Indian side of Bengal hence they call non-Bengali people 'Hindustani' people. They reject referring themselves to Hindustan. They hate their own countrymen if they try to settle in Bangla. I read many times how Bangla people from IOB despise Bihari settlers in Bangla. Many complain how Bihari people try to ruin Bangla culture with their culture. Even Modi pointed finger at Mamata by saying 'When people from other states come to Bengal you feel disgusted but when a Bangladeshi comes to the state you are delighted as if they are your people.'.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri

We are not 'extremely' confused with our identity. We are Bangladeshi Bangalis. The confused people are living in Indian side of Bengal hence they call non-Bengali people 'Hindustani' people. They reject referring themselves to Hindustan. They hate their own countrymen if they try to settle in Bangla. I read many times how Bangla people from IOB despise Bihari settlers in Bangla. Many complain how Bihari people try to ruin Bangla culture with their culture. Even Modi pointed finger at Mamata by saying 'When people from other states come to Bengal you feel disgusted but when a Bangladeshi comes to the state you are delighted as if they are your people.'.

And when did Modi say that?

Tell me when the hackings. gulshan incidents and temple attacks stop entirely....or is it case of things getting lot worse before it gets better?

Mamata is going to face the heat from her own voter base after Assam starts the process of deportation. Assam win was a big huge step for BJP and slap in the face of the liberal "lets be chums with BD no matter what they do" segment.

OK so you using the term IOB. Fine in all conversations from now on with you I will use the term "Indian liberated and occupied East Pakistan" (ILOEP).

 

[Hasan89]

Bangla and Bangladesh are still one but people like you who are Islamophobic always try to relate religion with ethnicity. Bangla doesn't have Muslims? Do they follow Arabic culture? By this logic all Muslim majority countries follow Arabic culture. We were Bengali, will remain Bengali because you can change your religion but can't change your ethnicity even if you try hard.

We haven't diluted our Bengali culture. Its you who have diluted Bengali culture to Hindustani culture. Our country is based on Bengali nationalism. We are more Bengali torch bearer than you to the world. We fought to establish Bengali language. Due to us world celebrates mother language day. What have you done for Bengali language? Nothing. Just big talk. Now just don't give some example of ancient novelists and poets. They were as much ours as yours. So you don't have exclusive rights to them. Due to us you can type in Bengali because you use our language software. So be thankful to Bangladesh.

Wonderful, well stated, post. Riyad Bhai.


I echo what you said, and to add some my own too views.
Bangladesh gave blood for their language, fought for the land of bangalis. because of Bangladesh, Bengalis are more known through out their world. West Bengalis should be thankful and be less cocky about anything. Bangladesh is a free nation of bangalis where as the bangalis in india are ruled by hindustanis hence their culture has become more hindified, losing the proper bengali culture and way of things.

In UK for example, the Bengalis are known the people from Bangladesh. Bangalis are known in UK because of Bangladeshis Bengalis. and Because of any Bangladeshis success at any fields, Bangladeshis owning 90-95% of UK curry restaurant's contributing 4-4.5 billion per year to UK economy. List can go on, but I've just stated few things in brief.

So please, the Bengalis from other side. give it a rest, most of you came from Bangladeshi anyway. Tripurans bangalis mostly also origins from BD, You all should be Indian-Bangladeshis like we are in UK British-Bangladeshis. Maybe in 3rd world nations they dont allow you to have you originality in your identity like UK and other western nations do.

 

[Nilgiri]

In UK for example, the Bengalis are known the people from Bangladesh. Bangalis are known in UK because of Bangladeshis Bengalis. and Because of any Bangladeshis success at any fields, Bangladeshis owning 90-95% of UK curry restaurant's contributing 4-4.5 billion per year to UK economy. List can go on, but I've just stated few things in brief.

Remember to be proud of your 70% poverty rate in the UK too:

http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml

Quite a huge resounding success!

 

[Hasan89]

@Nilgiri

I dont know what your going on around about 70%, Don't know where you get these facts, seems like you have nothing better to do than try downing others. Bangladeshis in UK are doing really well, there success rates at school gcse's we doing better the even whites, many talents popping up from the Brit-Bangladeshi community. We contribute 4-5 billion per year, with the Bangladeshi curry industry alone. List goes on, ust mentioned few things in brief.

Mate I can own many your below poverty and are sell them. Even if I was in poverty living in UK, with my red passport is enough to be better than hundreds of if not thousand of people you have out of 300-400million Below poverty you have. So yes we are very much proud

 

[Nilgiri]

I dont know what your going on around about 70%, Don't know where you get these facts,

Is it that difficult for you to click on the link and READ? Dumb twit. No wonder your lot are hopeless.

Mate I can own many your below poverty and are sell them. Even if I was in poverty living in UK, with my red passport is enough to be better than hundreds of if not thousand of people you have out of 300-400million Below poverty you have. So yes we are very much proud

You have no option since who wants to identify as Bangladeshi when given a choice of something else?

As for below poverty....its less than 10% (I can post the world bank report if you want)

Something thats happening in India in much higher rates than what BD can dream of right now is:

Care to provide such numbers for BD (if they are even available by someone bothering to analyse it)?

 

[dray]

@Rain Man You sound stupid when you keep saying Muslim divided Bengal. I taught you a bit history before. Seems it didn't penetratedd your thick skull. Bengali Muslim leaders tried to keep an united Bengal. Very well leave Muslims. Shyama Prasad mukharjee declared that they wanted to divide Bengal even if the Muslim east remains with India.

So stop spilling this garbage from your head in every single post. I can avoid it once or twice. But it becomes an annoyance if you keep repeating it.

My thick skull is there to protect a very fine brain (nowadays rare in Bangladesh) that is very capable of identifying and rejecting fallacious arguments. In 1905 Carzon didn't came up with a plan to divide Bengal just out of thin air, Muslims of Bengal asked for it and supported it, that's why.

Later the Muslims of Bengal were THE-MOST-PROFOUND-SUPPORTERS-OF-PAKISTAN. East Pakistanis aka Bangladeshis wanted a separate country "Pakistan" much more than the West Pakistanis aka Pakistanis. The campaign for creation a separate Muslim country were MADE bloody and genocidal BY THE East Pakistani aka Bangladeshis through a supposedly state-sponsored riot by the sitting Muslim PM of the province of Bengal. That guy was one of the strongest and most vocal supporters of partition and creation of Pakistan, and his sudden proposal of a separate country of Bengal was nothing but a ploy to increase "Muslim land", if that had happened, then the Hindu Bengalis and other minorities of those regions would have faced the same fate that the Hindu Bengalis and other minorities of Bangladesh have faced and still (the leftovers) are facing......here nothing is left to assumptions.

@Rain Man

What Arab influence are you talking about? Do Bangladeshis speak Arabic? Do Bangladeshis wear Arabic white dress with red scarf? Bangladeshi men wear western dresses and women wear sharee and salwar Kamiz. How is it Arabic influence? We are generally xenophobic against anything which is not Bengali. We hate Arab society. 40 thousands Bangladeshi workers are sent back from Saudi Arabia because they couldn't adapt with the culture of the 'kingdom'. Arab is culturally alien to us. We generally prefer Persian over Arabic culture. Arab doesn't have any strong culture. BD Muslim culture is influenced by Persian culture to a large extent, not Arab culture. We actually make fun of Arab culture on TV. In TV comedy dramas we mock Saudi Arabian culture. We also mock Indian Hindi serial culture in these shows.

Bangladeshis use lots of Arabic words and cultural aspects, the large groups of Haj parties from rural Bangladesh in the international terminal of the Kolkata airport shows that they also follow their dressing styles. But that's not the most important part of it, the most important part is the hate-filled, genocidal treatment to the religious minorities that Bangladeshis-claiming-to-be-Bengalis learned from the land of Arabia. Do read about the treatment of religious minorities like Jews, Yezidis, etc. in the land of Arabia, you will find a lot of similarities and the same pattern in the treatment of religious minorities like Hindu Bengalis and other minorities of Bangladesh with that.

You will find lots of material and books on the treatment of religious minorities in the land of Arabia, for now you read about the treatment of Jews in Iraq (considering that 'Karma' seems to be in full swing in Iraq), it's a long but good article: http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-expulsion-that-backfired-when-iraq-kicked-out-its-jews/

Bangladeshis are in majority Muslims by faith but around only 40% are practicing Muslims. Other Muslims just offer friday prayer and other Muslim festivals but hardly offer the obligatory 5 times Namaz. Among youth may be 20% offer 5 times Namaz daily. How that makes Bangladeshis hardcore religious? We are hardcore Muslim by faith but not in practice. Does it make us less Bengali? So Bengali means Hindu, not Muslim? Who gave you this theory?

Muslims irrespective of ethnicity have very strong religious identity. Its true for Bangla Muslims as well, not only Bangladeshi Muslims.

There is nothing wrong to be a "Practicing Muslims", but there is everything wrong to be a "Political Muslim", and an "Intolerant Muslim"....and that's where the problem begins...for the minorities as well as the Muslims themselves...almost everywhere in the world...including Bangladesh.