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VIEW: Jihadism and the military in Pakistan — III —A R Siddiqi

More than the devotion to faith and ritual, what encouraged Zia in the loud proclamation of his faith and absolute commitment to Islam was the make believe elevation of the Soviet Afghan war to the status of jihad.

President Mohammad Ayub Khan, in his emotionally charged radio address to the nation, recited the kalma tayyaba to warn India that the kalma reciting Pakistani would not rest until the enemy’s guns were silenced.

Through the 17-day war in 1965, the entire country reverberated to the vociferous chants of jihad against Hindu India. Jihad and Islam were formalised almost as a military doctrine. So much of this jihad-dominated propaganda poured into the media, both print and electronic, that an inconclusive war turned into a final victory.

Frontline troops, lieutenants, colonels and lower ranks followed the five-time prayers code strictly. A number of field officers even refused to have their pictures taken, calling it un-Islamic.

For the field marshal and his army chief, General Musa, the reactive Islamic lore came as a godsend. The field marshal’s invocation of the kalma became the popular slogan ‘Pakistan ka matlab kia? Laillah illahla’ (what does Pakistan mean? There is only one God).

Comparisons with Badr and Uhud, led by the Prophet (PBUH) himself, were freely cited. Jihadism, post-1965, emerged as a powerful talisman and motivational force for senior commanders to motivate their men and young officers. General Musa’s post-war tours of the units, still in their battle locations, made a strange mix of the highest rhetoric for the Islamic Pakistan Army and the harshest references to India’s exemplary perfidy and rank cowardice.

General Musa retired in September 1966 to make way for General Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan to assume the army’s command. He was not a mujahid, neither would he ever pretend to be one. The jihadi lore might have been a thing of the past. Yahya was a Dionysian type: three dry gin miniatures between 11 am and 12 pm and double whiskies from sunset to about midnight. Yahya would be at his desk for a couple of hours every day, every now and then he would be on his feet for official diplomatic functions.

His non-jihadi rule continued some three years and nine months before its fatal collapse on December 16, 1971.

His last address to the nation, on December 16, 1971, resounded of jihadi lore. He recited the kalma and asked his brave men to press on and destroy the enemy. Chief of General Staff, Lieutenant General Gul Hassan Khan took over on December 20, 1971. He was the first and last ever lieutenant general to have served as a commander in chief. He stayed in the saddle for barely three months, still wiping the beer foam off his trimmed moustache when President Bhutto dismissed him.

His successor, General Tikka Khan kept his Islam practically free from jihadism. He left all the high policies of the state for Prime Minister Bhutto to decide and spell out. For his personal debt of gratitude to the prime minister for elevating him to the top slot, General Tikka stayed away from politics and jihadi lore.

Tikka’s successor, General Mohammad Ziaul Haq, a strict Muslim and a mujahid, raised the jihadi lore from rhetorical to operational and doctrinal eminence.

He gave the army the triple motto of imaan (faith), taqwa (piety) and jihad. Thus, for the first time, the steel frame of military professionalism was tampered with quasi-jihadism.

Zia created a group of nazmin-e-salat vigilantes to make sure that the Muslims within their respective areas and jurisdictions offered their congregational prayers. He adopted the sherwani pajama ensemble as the standard national dress.

However, he would not touch his armoured corps uniform as the one enduring legacy of the colonial era. He wore his own gorgeous armoured corps uniform, complete with the chain mail, the whistle and the aiguillette with full miniature medals. Ziaul Haq’s tenure was thus a baffling amalgam of colonial attire and jihadi faith and spirit.

More than the devotion to faith and ritual, what encouraged Zia in the loud proclamation of his faith and absolute commitment to Islam was the make believe elevation of the Soviet Afghan war to the status of jihad. Zia’s motivated and US-funded international brigade in Afghanistan emerged as the apogee of jihadism. To the sitting American President, Ronald Reagan, the mujahideen were the “moral equivalents of the founding fathers”.

Interestingly, and no less significantly, the radical fringe of the mujahideen comprising Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Muhammad Younus Khalis and Abdur Rauf Sayyaf, etc, had been the major beneficiaries of US arms and dollars funnelled through the ISI. Thus, while the US’s military tactics worked, its grand strategy could not have been more flawed — its wreckage is still all over the place.

Benazir came and let her interior minister, General Naseerullah Babar, raise the Taliban brigade as Pakistan’s strategic reserve. The Taliban and the jihadis were two sides of the same coin. Babar called them “my children”.

In due course, the Taliban emerged as the backbone of the jihadis. The army adopted them as its progeny. A succession of ISI generals, Hamid Gul, Javed Nasir, Akhtar Abdul Rahman and others, patronised and used them to suit their strategic designs.

Musharraf called them “my strategic reserve”, for him to release whenever he pleased. Jihadism in the military, mainly the army, has been a force to reckon with, and its presence cannot be denied. Two major generals, Tajammul Hussain Malik (1980) and Zaheer-ul-Islam Abbasi and Brigadier Mustansir Billah, were held up, court-martialled and dismissed from service for their abortive jihadi coup.

The post-9/11 US invasion of Afghanistan and the devastating bombardment of Tora Bora, ironically code-named Operation Enduring Freedom, brought Pakistan forcibly into the ensuing war on terror. Pakistan now owns the war, facing a long chain of consequences, largely unintended.

The war on terror continues unabated with the militants (all Muslims) on one side and the Pakistani military on the other, caught in a sort of a tribal/fraternal blood feud. Besides devastating the land of the Pathans across both the settled and the tribal areas, it has created an enormous lashkar of suicide bombers.

It is time for Pakistan to realise and accept its limitations as a military power according to its own resource base — both material and ideological. As for a peaceful diplomatic solution of the Kashmir issue, we must forego the option of war. Above all, we must rein in the jihadi outfits waging their proxy jihad from their safe havens in Pakistan. Islam remains the be-all and end-all of our spiritual and every day life — not as a source of militant jihadism but as a religion of peace.

As for the army, the sooner it discards the jihadi slogans and symbols the better off it would it be as a first class professional fighting force.

The writer is a retired brigadier of the Pakistan Army
 
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VIEW: Jihadism and the military in Pakistan — III —A R Siddiqi

More than the devotion to faith and ritual, what encouraged Zia in the loud proclamation of his faith and absolute commitment to Islam was the make believe elevation of the Soviet Afghan war to the status of jihad.

President Mohammad Ayub Khan, in his emotionally charged radio address to the nation, recited the kalma tayyaba to warn India that the kalma reciting Pakistani would not rest until the enemy’s guns were silenced.

Through the 17-day war in 1965, the entire country reverberated to the vociferous chants of jihad against Hindu India. Jihad and Islam were formalised almost as a military doctrine. So much of this jihad-dominated propaganda poured into the media, both print and electronic, that an inconclusive war turned into a final victory.

Frontline troops, lieutenants, colonels and lower ranks followed the five-time prayers code strictly. A number of field officers even refused to have their pictures taken, calling it un-Islamic.

For the field marshal and his army chief, General Musa, the reactive Islamic lore came as a godsend. The field marshal’s invocation of the kalma became the popular slogan ‘Pakistan ka matlab kia? Laillah illahla’ (what does Pakistan mean? There is only one God).

Comparisons with Badr and Uhud, led by the Prophet (PBUH) himself, were freely cited. Jihadism, post-1965, emerged as a powerful talisman and motivational force for senior commanders to motivate their men and young officers. General Musa’s post-war tours of the units, still in their battle locations, made a strange mix of the highest rhetoric for the Islamic Pakistan Army and the harshest references to India’s exemplary perfidy and rank cowardice.

General Musa retired in September 1966 to make way for General Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan to assume the army’s command. He was not a mujahid, neither would he ever pretend to be one. The jihadi lore might have been a thing of the past. Yahya was a Dionysian type: three dry gin miniatures between 11 am and 12 pm and double whiskies from sunset to about midnight. Yahya would be at his desk for a couple of hours every day, every now and then he would be on his feet for official diplomatic functions.

His non-jihadi rule continued some three years and nine months before its fatal collapse on December 16, 1971.

His last address to the nation, on December 16, 1971, resounded of jihadi lore. He recited the kalma and asked his brave men to press on and destroy the enemy. Chief of General Staff, Lieutenant General Gul Hassan Khan took over on December 20, 1971. He was the first and last ever lieutenant general to have served as a commander in chief. He stayed in the saddle for barely three months, still wiping the beer foam off his trimmed moustache when President Bhutto dismissed him.

His successor, General Tikka Khan kept his Islam practically free from jihadism. He left all the high policies of the state for Prime Minister Bhutto to decide and spell out. For his personal debt of gratitude to the prime minister for elevating him to the top slot, General Tikka stayed away from politics and jihadi lore.

Tikka’s successor, General Mohammad Ziaul Haq, a strict Muslim and a mujahid, raised the jihadi lore from rhetorical to operational and doctrinal eminence.

He gave the army the triple motto of imaan (faith), taqwa (piety) and jihad. Thus, for the first time, the steel frame of military professionalism was tampered with quasi-jihadism.

Zia created a group of nazmin-e-salat vigilantes to make sure that the Muslims within their respective areas and jurisdictions offered their congregational prayers. He adopted the sherwani pajama ensemble as the standard national dress.

However, he would not touch his armoured corps uniform as the one enduring legacy of the colonial era. He wore his own gorgeous armoured corps uniform, complete with the chain mail, the whistle and the aiguillette with full miniature medals. Ziaul Haq’s tenure was thus a baffling amalgam of colonial attire and jihadi faith and spirit.

More than the devotion to faith and ritual, what encouraged Zia in the loud proclamation of his faith and absolute commitment to Islam was the make believe elevation of the Soviet Afghan war to the status of jihad. Zia’s motivated and US-funded international brigade in Afghanistan emerged as the apogee of jihadism. To the sitting American President, Ronald Reagan, the mujahideen were the “moral equivalents of the founding fathers”.

Interestingly, and no less significantly, the radical fringe of the mujahideen comprising Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Muhammad Younus Khalis and Abdur Rauf Sayyaf, etc, had been the major beneficiaries of US arms and dollars funnelled through the ISI. Thus, while the US’s military tactics worked, its grand strategy could not have been more flawed — its wreckage is still all over the place.

Benazir came and let her interior minister, General Naseerullah Babar, raise the Taliban brigade as Pakistan’s strategic reserve. The Taliban and the jihadis were two sides of the same coin. Babar called them “my children”.

In due course, the Taliban emerged as the backbone of the jihadis. The army adopted them as its progeny. A succession of ISI generals, Hamid Gul, Javed Nasir, Akhtar Abdul Rahman and others, patronised and used them to suit their strategic designs.

Musharraf called them “my strategic reserve”, for him to release whenever he pleased. Jihadism in the military, mainly the army, has been a force to reckon with, and its presence cannot be denied. Two major generals, Tajammul Hussain Malik (1980) and Zaheer-ul-Islam Abbasi and Brigadier Mustansir Billah, were held up, court-martialled and dismissed from service for their abortive jihadi coup.

The post-9/11 US invasion of Afghanistan and the devastating bombardment of Tora Bora, ironically code-named Operation Enduring Freedom, brought Pakistan forcibly into the ensuing war on terror. Pakistan now owns the war, facing a long chain of consequences, largely unintended.

The war on terror continues unabated with the militants (all Muslims) on one side and the Pakistani military on the other, caught in a sort of a tribal/fraternal blood feud. Besides devastating the land of the Pathans across both the settled and the tribal areas, it has created an enormous lashkar of suicide bombers.

It is time for Pakistan to realise and accept its limitations as a military power according to its own resource base — both material and ideological. As for a peaceful diplomatic solution of the Kashmir issue, we must forego the option of war. Above all, we must rein in the jihadi outfits waging their proxy jihad from their safe havens in Pakistan. Islam remains the be-all and end-all of our spiritual and every day life — not as a source of militant jihadism but as a religion of peace.

As for the army, the sooner it discards the jihadi slogans and symbols the better off it would it be as a first class professional fighting force.

The writer is a retired brigadier of the Pakistan Army
Jihadi Organisations will keep working until and unless armies of Muslim world decide to fight and liberate Muslim Lands such as Afghanistan Kashmir Chechnya Iraq and Palestine otherwise Muslim will try do it on their own
 
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thank you again, fatman - many are baffled, anxious - because change always engenders such emotion, not just among reactionaries. The newness of some ideas associated with change always engenders reaction - but we must persevere, we must allow reaction to wash over us without effecting our resolve and our determination - we will create a better army, a more professional, more lethal army that is in concord with the best aspirations of the people of Pakistan and a an effective tool of the government.

For those who care about the Pakistan army, for those who want to see a army that is a model fighting force, I encourage you to calm yourselves, to get a handle on your anxiety - Pakistan's Muslims will always be Muslims, nothing, no force on earth can change that- the focus is on the army as a fighting force, the Pakistan army and armed forces have just one ideology, that of protecting Pakistanis and their property and delivering death and destruction to the enemies of Pakistan, Duty, Honor. Discipline.


It is time for Pakistan to realise and accept its limitations as a military power according to its own resource base — both material and ideological. As for a peaceful diplomatic solution of the Kashmir issue, we must forego the option of war. Above all, we must rein in the jihadi outfits waging their proxy jihad from their safe havens in Pakistan. Islam remains the be-all and end-all of our spiritual and every day life — not as a source of militant jihadism but as a religion of peace.

As for the army, the sooner it discards the jihadi slogans and symbols the better off it would it be as a first class professional fighting force.
 
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thank you again, fatman - many are baffled, anxious - because change always engenders such emotion, not just among reactionaries. The newness of some ideas associated with change always engenders reaction - but we must persevere, we must allow reaction to wash over us without effecting our resolve and our determination - we will create a better army, a more professional, more lethal army that is in concord with the best aspirations of the people of Pakistan and a an effective tool of the government.

For those who care about the Pakistan army, for those who want to see a army that is a model fighting force, I encourage you to calm yourselves, to get a handle on your anxiety - Pakistan's Muslims will always be Muslims, nothing, no force on earth can change that- the focus is on the army as a fighting force, the Pakistan army and armed forces have just one ideology, that of protecting Pakistanis and their property and delivering death and destruction to the enemies of Pakistan, Duty, Honor. Discipline.


Jihadi slogan cannot be rejected by any Muslims only traitors of Islam can reject that Army will never reject that and INSHALLAH will do Jihad on their own
 
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its almost as if you guys are attributing this 'jihadism' as defined in the paper -- purely to the army itself

that's crazy.....and overly-simplified.

it lacks substance
 
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Mashallah.
Please define the word Jihad for us..

@ Santro.

We all know what the definition of jihad is, so trying to insinuate that you know and I don't will not cut this matter in your favor. if you find some thing objectionable, please point it out rather than flinging mud on my person. regards, god of war
 
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Muse
We may have differences of opinions, no need to exhibit such belligerence. Also, it’s the month of Ramadan. :cool::cool:

Jihad is considered as one of the pillars of Islam by some scholars while others do not include it. Still yet another school of thought opines that Jihad is the 6th pillar of Islam.

Now the essence of the matter is that it is Farz, and essential on every Muslim save those who may not be able to contribute due to some lacking. I'm sure you will agree that its enunciation and reiteration in the Quran points towards the significance of the same.

Also Allah has admonished those who turn away from Jihad. Various Ahadees may also be found on the same content. Actual events from the lives of Sahaba who procrastinated in Jihad have also been discussed by Allah in the Quran. So no one can doubt its intrinsic value in our faith.
Having said that, true, Jihad must begin with one’s own self. Only then can its resonance be felt by the world.

Your slander for Pakistan Army is not justified. Black sheep may be present is the institution but that doesn’t justify your saying that it is incompetent or un-Islamic in nature.

Hope my answer will suffice to my 'not running away' ;)
 
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GoW

The issue is done - it does not matter that you did not know what the 5 pillars of Islam are - what's important is what the brigadier of the Pakistan army has to say about Jihadism in the army and how it must end
It is time for Pakistan to realise and accept its limitations as a military power according to its own resource base — both material and ideological. As for a peaceful diplomatic solution of the Kashmir issue, we must forego the option of war. Above all, we must rein in the jihadi outfits waging their proxy jihad from their safe havens in Pakistan. Islam remains the be-all and end-all of our spiritual and every day life — not as a source of militant jihadism but as a religion of peace.

As for the army, the sooner it discards the jihadi slogans and symbols the better off it would it be as a first class professional fighting force.


See, this is what the army brigadier is saying -- and of course you don't have to like it or accept it. However; if you can be persuaded to see the writing on the wall - you may wish to reconsider
 
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my random thoughts before signing off for the day:



it's ironic though when there are 5 tenets; some scholars argued that Jihad should be 6

but then you have similar hard-liners who say leave Islam as is, no room for re-interpretation.....



leave women at home, but its okay if they become suicide bombers in burqas (which is what we have seen in the recent Peshawar blast)

acting or doing scripts is haram, but dressing up like militants and pretending to shoot guns is okay (this was happening amongst some shell-shocked kids in Swat; they were banned from dressing up like soldiers and pretending to be army soldiers but were encouraged by the local taleban to pretend to be suicide bombers --it was an isolated few cases, true story by the way)



there is so much hypocrisy amongst the jihadi terrorist elements in Pakistan, not only are they confused, but their brain-washed victims are too stupid and braindead to see right through their ill-logic


but thats a whole other issue, non-related here
 
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GoW

The issue is done - it does not matter that you did not know what the 5 pillars of Islam are - what's important is what the brigadier of the Pakistan army has to say about Jihadism in the army and how it must end



See, this is what the army brigadier is saying -- and of course you don't have to like it or accept it. However; if you can be persuaded to see the writing on the wall - you may wish to reconsider

I'm sorry Muse, i beg to disagree, Firstly I well know what the pillars of Islam are and what Jihad means, so if u want to assume you have gained a personal victory by telling me that I don't know, do so by all means, do whatever it takes to stroke your own false ego of which your condescending attitude is a testament.

Secondly, If any Muslim army does not adhere to the fighting principles of Islam and the ideology of Islam, then it should not be called so. And Pakistan Army is a Muslim army, whether it suits your fancy or not.

The Brig's attitude is quite obviously secular in nature when he rebuts Pakistan's Stance on Kashmir. It seems that in his plight to disregard Islamic principles of jihad, he is also disregarding Insurgency/Guerrilla/Asymmetric Warfare. Something that is accepted widely as the new kind of warfare. Well we do have our share of cuckoo officers as well. What a defeatist mentality.

For all those who think that Kashmir should be handed over to India on a silver platter and quote logical stats of India's might in front of the minuscule Pakistan Army, probably also assume that Badar is the figment of Muslim imagination. Allah vehemently declares in Surah Anfal: DONOT BE AFRAID OF THE NUMBERS OF THE INFIDEL ARMY. Whatever happened to faith, whatever happened to courage....

I'm sure the likes of such people also assume America very heroic on account of the carpet bombing and the space-age US infantry man with his latest flak vest and computer integrated helmet and weapons systems. Such people assume that wars are won alone by the latest gadgets and grit and wits...

So assume all you want to muse, to your own a-muse-ment :azn:

BTW, did I mention that Richard Marcinko in his book Rogue Warrior states "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups".

:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
 
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Muse
We may have differences of opinions, no need to exhibit such belligerence. Also, it’s the month of Ramadan. :cool::cool:

Jihad is considered as one of the pillars of Islam by some scholars while others do not include it. Still yet another school of thought opines that Jihad is the 6th pillar of Islam.

Now the essence of the matter is that it is Farz, and essential on every Muslim save those who may not be able to contribute due to some lacking. I'm sure you will agree that its enunciation and reiteration in the Quran points towards the significance of the same.

Also Allah has admonished those who turn away from Jihad. Various Ahadees may also be found on the same content. Actual events from the lives of Sahaba who procrastinated in Jihad have also been discussed by Allah in the Quran. So no one can doubt its intrinsic value in our faith.
Having said that, true, Jihad must begin with one’s own self. Only then can its resonance be felt by the world.

Your slander for Pakistan Army is not justified. Black sheep may be present is the institution but that doesn’t justify your saying that it is incompetent or un-Islamic in nature.

Hope my answer will suffice to my 'not running away' ;)

Jihad is not that u go out and wage war against all other nations.. Jihad is to get yourself clean of corruption... to educate the people of pakistan,... to work as a unit,.. protecting and making powerful our country,.. and you'll start seeing a different and very strong influence of Islam and Pakistan in the world,.. that is the proper way to go in my opinion and then start molding the world opinion towards our interests....
 
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Jihad is not that u go out and wage war against all other nations.. Jihad is to get yourself clean of corruption... to educate the people of pakistan,... to work as a unit,.. protecting and making powerful our country,.. and you'll start seeing a different and very strong influence of Islam and Pakistan in the world,.. that is the proper way to go in my opinion and then start molding the world opinion towards our interests....

Assalam alaikum

Brother there is no disagreement on what u stated, if i may sum it up to become a true muslim. The problem is there r some ppl who r trying to tell us that jihad ( as war ) should be taken out from our books, brains and if possible take it from quran too ( offcourse this will never happen).


My Brothers, It is the spirit of jihad which made the arabs who didnot have all the equipments nor the same level of weapons and they destroyed 2 super powers at that time and also were out numbered. Which equipment u gonna provide and which outstanding weapons u gonna provide pak army to fight an enemy bigger then u in numbers, equipments, weapons and economy ?

TARIQ
 
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"Along with this, keep up your morale. Do not be afraid of death. Our religion teaches us to be always prepared for death. We should face it bravely to save the honor of Pakistan and Islam. There is no better salvation for a Muslim than the death of a martyr for a righteous cause."



what is the use of bravery and morale if all you aspire to is death.
all this public funding of millions of Rs. to raise a soldier so that he can face death?
well a civilian can do a better job if the whole motivation is just death.
and they are doing a fine job everyday

why? because the security forces that are meant to save them from harm are being confused with this martyr ideology. why not let the taliban be the martyrs and peace come back to our lives?

Do tell, when 313 Muslims prepared themselves to face off the 1000 Meccans did they just intend to die or actually kill and defeat them and save further destruction and deaths of the wives and kids?

If they only sought death then Meccans would have proceeded to the Madina and massacred the women and children too.

A soldier is not trained to die but to kill. The concept of Jihad is to confront and win not beaten up. Whether its verbal or through pen, the idea is not to be beaten in the argument then why the insistence of being killed by the sword when you have gone through the trouble of picking up the sword?

Your killer would only smirk and say “NEXT!!!?” after slaying you.
The idea should be to be brave enough and beat all odds and face of the enemy to defeat him and if death comes while doing that then so be it.
Now that’s something that even a nonMuslim culture also celebrates and remembers for centuries. The 300 Spartans didn’t go to fight the Perisans to die but Kill. And killed they indeed and those of them who fell while doing that have been immortalised.

By the way, all world armies have a very ruthless policy about deserters, they are normally shot on sight or on summary hearings. So Muslim or non Muslim a soldier has only one way to go and that is to the objective.

Again I am compelled to quote an Islamic event to shake up this misconception among my fellow Pakistanis.

During the Battle of Khandak, Abu Suffian managed to get hold of a legendary Arabian knight who has as famous as Amir Hamza (slain by that time).
So here is this aged but very powerful and arrogant Arabian knight coming back to Mecca after years of his adventures and sees a stange change in the town. There are stories of Muhammad and Islam and the battles of Bard and Ohd. His name was Amr Bin Abd Al Wud.

In his absence a lot of famous knights had met a violent death. he heard about the slaying of Utbah and Sheybah at the Hands of Hamza and Ali, he heard the slaying of Amr ibn Hasham (about Abu Jahl ) at the hands of two young brothers. Then he also heard the death of the legendary Arabian knight the prominent Hashami elder Amir Hamza.

Amr more than willingly joined without much persoation of Abu Sufian when he gathered a 10,000 mass of troops to finish the chapter on Muhammad PBUH and his Islam. So the siege of Medina began.

Amr was restless and he crossed the defensive trenches and challenged the Muslims and these were his words.

“Is there anyone among you who can kill me and send me to Hell? Or die by my sword and go to heaven?”

he laughed at the Muslim belief about life after death , he taunted and he dared the Muslims and indeed he got what he asked for. Hazrat Omar r.a narrated a journey he once took with him where they were surrounded by 1000 robbers and Amr single beat them by using a calf of a camel as a shield and forced them to run away.


Check this link, its classic and an eye opener for some of you lol






Had it been this ideology (you’r have posted in bold that insists on death at all costs then he would have killed Ali, Muhammad and Omar but thankfully for Muslims of that time, Ali r.a. had different ideas, when he was permitted and prepared to face Amr, he didn’t go there to be killed but to slay that foul mouthed arrogant knight who has openly mocking the cowardice of Mulsims and their impassiveness.

Ali was too young for him and unknown to him when Amr let Mecca for his adventures, he did know his father Abu Talib and his uncle Amir Hamza but not him. Intitally he did laugh it off when Abu Sufyan paniced when he saw Ali responding to the duel invite of Amr He would have dismissed Ali and refused to fight if Ali had not introduced himself but fight he did, he knew his family and he was more than willing to avenge the death of his fallen comrades of Badr.

But behold, it was Ali who granted Amr his death wish and sent him to hell after a brief encounter.

Moral of the story?
If you are entrusted with the weapon and your leader and your nation wants to defend the honour and lives of its people then you can only achieve it by staying alive and killing the enemy and even if you die while doing that, you take out so many of them with you that the surviving enemy never has the lat laugh and either runs away or gets killed by your comrades.

End of discussion.
 
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what is the use of bravery and morale if all you aspire to is death.
all this public funding of millions of Rs. to raise a soldier so that he can face death?
well a civilian can do a better job if the whole motivation is just death.
and they are doing a fine job everyday

why? because the security forces that are meant to save them from harm are being confused with this martyr ideology. why not let the taliban be the martyrs and peace come back to our lives?

Do tell, when 313 Muslims prepared themselves to face off the 1000 Meccans did they just intend to die or actually kill and defeat them and save further destruction and deaths of the wives and kids?

If they only sought death then Meccans would have proceeded to the Madina and massacred the women and children too.

A soldier is not trained to die but to kill. The concept of Jihad is to confront and win not beaten up. Whether its verbal or through pen, the idea is not to be beaten in the argument then why the insistence of being killed by the sword when you have gone through the trouble of picking up the sword?

Your killer would only smirk and say “NEXT!!!?” after slaying you.
The idea should be to be brave enough and beat all odds and face of the enemy to defeat him and if death comes while doing that then so be it.
Now that’s something that even a nonMuslim culture also celebrates and remembers for centuries. The 300 Spartans didn’t go to fight the Perisans to die but Kill. And killed they indeed and those of them who fell while doing that have been immortalised.

By the way, all world armies have a very ruthless policy about deserters, they are normally shot on sight or on summary hearings. So Muslim or non Muslim a soldier has only one way to go and that is to the objective.

Again I am compelled to quote an Islamic event to shake up this misconception among my fellow Pakistanis.

During the Battle of Khandak, Abu Suffian managed to get hold of a legendary Arabian knight who has as famous as Amir Hamza (slain by that time).
So here is this aged but very powerful and arrogant Arabian knight coming back to Mecca after years of his adventures and sees a stange change in the town. There are stories of Muhammad and Islam and the battles of Bard and Ohd. His name was Amr Bin Abd Al Wud.

In his absence a lot of famous knights had met a violent death. he heard about the slaying of Utbah and Sheybah at the Hands of Hamza and Ali, he heard the slaying of Amr ibn Hasham (about Abu Jahl ) at the hands of two young brothers. Then he also heard the death of the legendary Arabian knight the prominent Hashami elder Amir Hamza.

Amr more than willingly joined without much persoation of Abu Sufian when he gathered a 10,000 mass of troops to finish the chapter on Muhammad PBUH and his Islam. So the siege of Medina began.

Amr was restless and he crossed the defensive trenches and challenged the Muslims and these were his words.

“Is there anyone among you who can kill me and send me to Hell? Or die by my sword and go to heaven?”

he laughed at the Muslim belief about life after death , he taunted and he dared the Muslims and indeed he got what he asked for. Hazrat Omar r.a narrated a journey he once took with him where they were surrounded by 1000 robbers and Amr single beat them by using a calf of a camel as a shield and forced them to run away.


Check this link, its classic and an eye opener for some of you lol

http://www.al-islam.org/restatement/26.htm




Had it been this ideology (you’r have posted in bold that insists on death at all costs then he would have killed Ali, Muhammad and Omar but thankfully for Muslims of that time, Ali r.a. had different ideas, when he was permitted and prepared to face Amr, he didn’t go there to be killed but to slay that foul mouthed arrogant knight who has openly mocking the cowardice of Mulsims and their impassiveness.

Ali was too young for him and unknown to him when Amr let Mecca for his adventures, he did know his father Abu Talib and his uncle Amir Hamza but not him. Intitally he did laugh it off when Abu Sufyan paniced when he saw Ali responding to the duel invite of Amr He would have dismissed Ali and refused to fight if Ali had not introduced himself but fight he did, he knew his family and he was more than willing to avenge the death of his fallen comrades of Badr.

But behold, it was Ali who granted Amr his death wish and sent him to hell after a brief encounter.

Moral of the story?
If you are entrusted with the weapon and your leader and your nation wants to defend the honour and lives of its people then you can only achieve it by staying alive and killing the enemy and even if you die while doing that, you take out so many of them with you that the surviving enemy never has the lat laugh and either runs away or gets killed by your comrades.

End of discussion.


End of discussion??? hardly...

The mere fact that this was a repetition of David and Goliath of sorts goes on to demonstrate that faith in your cause is essential to win wars. The fact that you believe in a righteous cause, and are defending your family, property, religious ideology in the face of tyranny in the name of Allah, gives a soldier great moral ascendancy.

No one is advocating that the place of weapons and tactics and technology in war can be undermined in comparison to faith. But
an untrained soldier CAN attain superiority over a better trained adversary on account of conviction of faith. Don't discount the fact that Allah's help is with him whose belief is stronger, not with him whose sword is stronger.

Having said that, the example that you have cited above about Hazrat Ali KAW, we all know that Hazrat Ali KAW is known for his competence as a great warrior however his title THE LION OF ALLAH stems from his immense belief in the Almighty which was the true source of his 'courage'. Only then was he gifted the Ultimate weapon 'Al Zulfaqaar'.

Why did Hazrat Khalid bin Walid RATA in the midst of battle start looking for his helmet? It contained some strands of Rasool Allah's blessed hair. After the battle he was condemned and also tagged as irresponsible to have searched for his helmet in the midst of such deadly combat. What was his reply? He said that he was looking for his 'power source' which had given him superiority in all his battles.... It all boils down to faith.

Another point is that I do not think that the Muslims will ever gain military superiority over their enemies. However, if you believe the "End of Days" proffecy, Islam is destined to rule the world. How do you suppose that would happen? through mere and sheer faith in Allah. That would provide us with the decisive edge, not weapons. I can give you ample examples from the Quran and the Hadees.

regards, god of war
 
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