VIEW: Jihadism and the military in Pakistan

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Jihad is a duty for all Muslims......issue is, certain people from certain nearby countries and their newfound butt-buddies in the west seem to totally misconstrue and spread mis-information regarding the definition of Jihad.


Jihadism should exist in both military and civilian sphere. Pakistan's an ideological state; and in that instance those who are practicing Muslims ideally would strive and struggle to be good Muslims (and responsible members of the nation -ensuring equal rights and justice to non-Muslims)


the fact that the military initiated an anti-extremism program in Swat and other areas is a testament to the fact that military of Pakistan is serious against etremism and their supporters. We value the and appreciate the notion that not all solutions come from the barrel of the gun --which is what our enemies and some shakey allies want us to do.


there is of course armed jihad, but that only takes place and is justified when the state declares war; especially when there is a case where Islam and/or Muslims may be in great danger......one of the fondest memories that will always be remembered is the jihad against the superiorly equipped soviet forces, who were brought down on their knees and forced to quit.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I do also agree that being an ideological state doesnt necessarily mean that it must be run by Mullahs...

Quaid e Azam's vision for Pakistan was and still is the perfect model to suit Pakistan. And those who disagree should not call themselves patriotic

 

[Xestan]

Jihad is a duty for all Muslims......issue is, certain people from certain nearby countries and their newfound butt-buddies in the west seem to totally misconstrue and spread mis-information regarding the definition of Jihad.


Jihadism should exist in both military and civilian sphere. Pakistan's an ideological state; and in that instance those who are practicing Muslims ideally would strive and struggle to be good Muslims (and responsible members of the nation -ensuring equal rights and justice to non-Muslims)


the fact that the military initiated an anti-extremism program in Swat and other areas is a testament to the fact that military of Pakistan is serious against etremism and their supporters. We value the and appreciate the notion that not all solutions come from the barrel of the gun --which is what our enemies and some shakey allies want us to do.


there is of course armed jihad, but that only takes place and is justified when the state declares war; especially when there is a case where Islam and/or Muslims may be in great danger......one of the fondest memories that will always be remembered is the jihad against the superiorly equipped soviet forces, who were brought down on their knees and forced to quit.

You put it very beautifully, the problem lies not with what wrong or right this ideology has done to Military but that some can't digest Islamic principles in anything.

I do also agree that being an ideological state doesnt necessarily mean that it must be run by Mullahs...

Quaid e Azam's vision for Pakistan was and still is the perfect model to suit Pakistan. And those who disagree should not call themselves patriotic

This is my point, Quaid's vision of Pakistan is what's badly needed today, a Islamic ideological State which according to Quaid's words will be governed by Islamic principles like equality and justice etc.

What my secular friends here fail to understand is that Quaid didn't wanted a Theocracy, exactly, but he didn't want a secular state either, a Islamic State is way too much secular in its own way, protection of Minorities is a major thing that should be taken care in a Islamic state, Islam gives freedom of religion to Minorities, what's the problem here, I don't understand!

The other day the issue was Army's motto and now the whole army, people should really get a life here! Neither the Motto is going to be changed, nor the Islamic ideology is going to be separated from the Military. Period!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

well the Quaid envisioned a country created by Muslims, for Muslims (and everyone else) to practice freely at their places of worship

the extent of religiousness being instituted in state/govt. affairs -- well I think that was limited. There are core aspects (such as banking, zakat/khoms etc.) which would be retained, but he didn't want Pakistan to become a Mullahcracy.

His vision as I see it was simple:

Live and let live. Keep religion and Pakistan in your heart at all times. Live like proper human beings.

Muslims could not avoid being marginalized or discriminated against under the previous "arrangement" prior to 47, which is why we got Pakistan in the first place.


Founded by Muslims, for Muslims (and all other groups) who are free to worship; in a democratic and tolerant 'system' where laws of the land apply and an independent judiciary to enforce those laws.


we still have a ways to go to enforce and adhere to that vision he had. People are polarized and divided politically and while natural for that to happen --it isnt a good thing. Liberal fascists and die-hard fundos who wear religion on their sleeves are 2 sides of the same coin.


I'm not saying Pakistan can be entirely secular; a nation founded on ideological grounds would be difficult to implement that. But there are certain aspects of governance (at state and fed level) in which religion should play zero role.


just my opinion though

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Brother nobody wants mullah's rule and none called for it

but the problem is our brothers try to accuse qaid of something that he didnot utter, it is their tafseer

To me if pakistanies vote for anyone who is eligible under this constitution , i will accept his authority for his term as long as he try to solve the problems and lead the country to develpment ( no matter if that guy is mullah or not ).

TARIQ

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

a very fair statement......

 

[muse]

AZ

What are the 5 pillars of Islam - the farz 5 pillars?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

as you are already aware, sir......Shahada, Hajj, Salat, Sawwm (Ramzan), Zakat

why?

 

[muse]

AZ

Which one of these is Jihad?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Jihad is not one of the 5 pillars of Islam.

 

[muse]

Az

Thank you for the courage and courtesy of a straight forward and honest answer.

Are you familiar with Abd as Salaam Faraj ? And his "pamphlet" " The Forgotten obligation" Al- Farida Al Ghabiha?? And it Refutation "Radd" by Ali Gadd al-Haq?

May I please encourage before you get too involved in associating yourself, even if just by reputation, with dangerous ideas, that you at least look a little deeper into how this concept came to be popularized and by whom and why.

Everyone is responsible, ultimately, for themselves.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I'm just an "average joe" muse...

what dangerous ideas are you alluding to

 

[muse]

AZ

see my post above - investigate for yourself - will "I'm just an average joe, who supports jihad" actually suffice? The world is up in arms over this concept or rather the misuses of this concept - will you plead ignorance? and do you really think it will be accepted?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

i plead my right to remain silent since I am not the topic of discussion here. . .

though i do agree that 'Jihad' has been misinterpreted by many in the west and by many Muslims themselves.

Problem isnt Jihad as a concept.....issue is, people can be misguided to think that their struggle to please God is indeed something that will please God --misguided fanatical zeal created people like that guy Mumtaz Qadri or the so-called "maulanas" of terrorist groups like Sipahe Sahaba.


now my question to you -- will you make the mistake of attributing those people to Islam? View them for what they are. Criminals, murderers, hatred-inciters

 

[muse]

now my question to you -- will you make the mistake of attributing those people to Islam? View them for what they are. Criminals, murderers, hatred-inciters

This is a very important, even if misguided, question you have posed.

As Muslims, we must recognize an important truth, and that is that those who "misuse" such concepts describe themselves as "Muslims" - you will agree that there are no Hindus, Jews, and Christians "misusing" the concept of jihad - RIGHT??? So what ideology is allowing this misuse? What is the foundation of this ideology? Who is furthering this ideology? Who is funding this ideology??


So we as Muslims, now have a internal problems - who amongst us will clearly identify who those who misuse jihad are? as who you say are "Criminals, murderers, hatred-inciters"?? Even you could not muster the courage to condemn those who lie about what the "farz" in Islam are - so yes, it seems we are "confused"