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The modern PRC is actually very close to the National Socialism as you described, except CPC doesn't play the race card, instead they play the nationalist card, and they show more humanitarianism for the minorities.

But in the civilian sector, CPC is too capitalist, even more than the western nations, this is something that needs to be changed.

Because of the nearly 100% capitalist civilian sector, the Made in China civilian products are really bad in quality compared to our strategic industry such as our space program, 95% of success rate over 180 launches.

Actually, the Racial aspect of National Socialist Germany was an important part of preserving the National fabric of the country. Thus National Socialism.

Racially homogenous countries are more successful and prosperous compared to racially mixed and multicultural countries due to the fact that there are less divisions within society. The more "diversity" in a society the more it is prone to becoming divided due to conflicting views, beliefs, ideologies, etc.


I guess you can say PRC and other states that formed after WW2 took a few ideas from Hitler's "Nazi" Germany.

True Communism which was practiced by the Soviet Union during the time when National Socialism first made its appearance on the world stage as its own distinct ideology, was not what the PRC might have adopted from National Socialism.

Communism had more than 100 years to prove itself, it faltered or failed depending on the country that practiced it, and ultimately the largest Communist Country the USSR collapsed and disintegrated without any foreign army even setting foot on its soil.

National Socialism, on the other hand, had 13 years to prove itself. It brought Germany out of the depression within 2-3 years (1933-1936). Within 4 years under Hitler's rule, Germany's unemployment was wiped out, to such an extent, that by 1938 Germany faced a labor shortage. Hitler's economic plans and their successful results were not at the expense of millions of lives the way Stalin's 5 year plans resulted in the deaths of millions of Soviet people.

In the end, National Socialism didn't collapse on itself the way Communism did in the Soviet Union. Rather, it was the allied bombing raids on German cities, industrial centers, and finally the occupation and division of Germany and later the demonization of this ideology which killed it in the practical sense.





“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, "Nazism and the German Economic Miracle," Asia Times (May 24, 2005).




“Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 on, which accounts for Germany’s startling rise from the depression to a world power in five years. The German government financed its entire operations from 1935 to 1945 without gold, and without debt. It took the entire Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German revolution, and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers.” - Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry


“Hitler took over the privilege of manufacturing money, and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones. He took over the machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the people. Can you possibly imagine what would have come if this had infected a number of other states?”- C. G. Rakovsky (Henry Makow, "Hitler Did Not Want War," March 21, 2004)
 
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Most Arabs were Christians during the pre-Islamic era. :coffee:

I don't think that's right at all, Christianity never took roots in Arabia.

Most Arabs were pagans, they had their own religion, which was to worship their own gods and goddesses.

After paganism, Judaism was the other religion in Arabia.

The first mention of Jews in the areas of modern-day Saudi Arabia dates back, by some accounts, to the time of the First Temple. Immigration to the Arabian Peninsula began in earnest in the 2nd century CE, and by the 6th and 7th centuries there was a considerable Jewish population in Hejaz, mostly in and around Medina.There were three main Jewish tribes in Medina before the rise of Islam in Arabia. These were the Banu Nadir, the Banu Qainuqa, and the Banu Qurayza. One Jewish tribe called Banu Nadir which were particularly hostile to the Islamic Prophet Mohamed had men killed there. Other Jewish tribes lived relatively peacefully under Muslim rule.

Other Arabian Jewish tribes

Other Arabian Jewish tribes in Muhammed's time:
Banu Awf
Banu Harith
Banu Jusham
Banu Alfageer
Banu Najjar
Banu Sa'ida
Banu Shutayba


Here's another source:

There are some materials on which to base a description of pre-Islamic religion, particularly in Mecca and the Hejaz. The book originally compiled by Ibn Ishaq around 740 A.D "The biography of the Prophet" passed on through notable transmitter Ibn Hisham translated by A. Guillaume 1st edition in 1955 gives an insight into the conditions pervailing in Mecca around Prophet's time. The Qur'an and the hadith, or recorded oral traditions, give some hints as to this religion. Islamic commentators have elaborated these hints into an account that, while coherent, is doubted by academics in part or in whole.

Many of the tribes in Arabia had practiced Judaism. Christianity is known to have been active in the region before the rise of Islam, especially unorthodox, possibly gnostic forms of it.


Here's why Islam was able to expand so quickly :

The early 7th century in Arabia began with the longest and most destructive period of the Byzantine–Sassanid Wars. It left both empires exhausted and susceptible to third-party attacks, particularly from nomadic Arabs united under a newly formed religion. According to historian George Liska, the "unnecessarily prolonged Byzantine–Persian conflict opened the way for Islam"
 
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3). The radical promotion of Feminism and destruction of the Family structure. The portrayal of men as women/feminine like and women as male/masculine like.

Speaking of feminism & its impact on society, check out this video:


It's quite interesting & funny at times, & I am happy to report that the interviewer literally ripped FEMEN's representative apart. :lol:
 
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Well, you have to understand a few things about National Socialist Germany. Hitler and the National Socialist put an emphasis on physical fitness and youth programs in order to bring an end to the rampant drug abuse amongst the young population of Germany which became rampant during the years following the War reparations imposed on Germany after WW1 and the financial crashes the German economy suffered from during the world wide economic depression.

Hitler didn't want a population of obese people with rampant health related problems like heart disease, liver disease, etc. Neither did he want drunkards and drug addicts.

When you keep people busy in productive activities they will be less prone to committing crimes, doing/selling drugs, etc.



National Socialism put emphasis on spiritualism and moral obligations of the German/European people by forming a common bond.

National Socialism encouraged individual effort (private enterprises) as long as it was to be used for the common benefit of the Nation/Race.

During the Second World War, the German Reich did assume control over strategic industries and resources, as did a lot of other non-Communist countries.

Communism and Capitalism put emphasis on the material wealth;

Communism: Wealth should be distributed and everything is state owned. Class struggle in which the peasants/worker purge the wealthy class.

Capitalism: Wealth is owned by the few and Capital (material) is given more importance over labor (people).

National Socialism: Labor (human effort) precedes capital and material. Innovation is the result of human effort (labor). Therefore, human effort is given importance over material. Individual effort is encouraged, competition is encouraged, and everything is based on merit. Whatever results from the effort must be put into use for the benefit of the Nation and Race (people).

Spiritualism and moral obligation plays the major role in National Socialism. Class cooperation is encouraged, rather than class struggle.

Which is why National Socialist Germany was the most Scientifically and Technologically advanced nation of its time.




Hitler simply denied them the continued enslavement of the German people. It was the Bankers who declared war on Hitler and Germany.

I am curious to know about this since you've dwelled so deep into this argument:

Why are the Jewish bankers so hell bent on putting themselves in the victim shoes?

What is their ultimate goal?

If Hitler was not guilty of the war crimes they say he was, then what happened?
 
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I am curious to know about this since you've dwelled so deep into this argument:

Why are the Jewish bankers so hell bent on putting themselves in the victim shoes?

What is their ultimate goal?

If Hitler was not guilty of the war crimes they say he was, then what happened?

This will require a great deal of research on your part as i too once asked my self the exact same questions at one point in the past but i found the answers through my own research.

The problem is that nowadays people depend on others to do the thinking for them, namely the mainstream media, which is obviously controlled by the very people in who's interest it is that we (the common people) not think for ourselves and just blindly tow along their propaganda.


I'll give you a few links to help you jump-start your research.


Hitler's Monetary System

How Hitler defied the Bankers

How Hitler Consolidated Power in Germany and Launched A Social Revolution-IHR

Regarding the War Crimes, that too would require your own research but again i will provide you a few links, however there is more that i suggest you look up for yourself:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...rried-about-growing-salafism.html#post4395841

And do look into this documentary too:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/genera...de-history-never-before-seen.html#post3934171
 
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Ukraine divided over WWII legacy

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CHERVONE, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainians dressed in Nazi SS uniform trudge through trenches and fire model rifles in a reconstruction of a key battle against the Soviets during World War II. An Orthodox priest leads a ceremony for fallen soldiers of the Nazi unit, sprinkling his blessing over several men sporting swastikas who lower a coffin in a ritual reburial.

The scenes were part of commemorations last week of soldiers many Ukrainian nationalists — along with a smattering of hardcore ultra-rightists — hail as heroes. The men they are honoring belonged to the SS Galician division, a Nazi military unit made up mostly of Ukrainians, which fought Soviet troops during World War II.

More than 20 years since gaining independence from the Soviet Union, Ukraine remains painfully divided over the legacy of World War II and the actions of Ukrainian nationalist fighters, who are honored as heroes by some and condemned as traitors by others. Some of those fighters served under or cooperated with the Nazis, seeing a chance to overthrow the Soviet regime, while others fought both the Red Army and the Nazis.

"Ukraine is in our souls and hearts," said SS Galician division veteran Mykhailo Yamulyk, a gray-haired man in his late 80s, before the remains of some of his fellow soldiers were reburied in coffins draped with the yellow-and-blue Ukrainian flag at a cemetery in this small village in western Ukraine. "Those who say that we wore German uniform — yes, we did, and our weapons were German, but our hearts were full of Ukrainian blood and we never betrayed it."

One of Yamulyk's fellow SS Galician veterans is Michael Karkoc, a Minnesota man shown in an Associated Press investigation to have commanded a Nazi-led unit accused of atrocities. The annual commemorations of the Galician give an insight into the complex reaction that the Karkoc revelations have produced in Ukraine, in contrast to the near universal outrage they have stirred up in Poland, Germany and the United States.

Each year, competing rallies commemorating World War II are held throughout Ukraine, sometimes resulting in brawls. Much of the Russian-speaking east of the country celebrates the Red Army's victory over Nazi invaders, while in the Ukrainian-speaking west, where most of the anti-Soviet insurgents fought, monuments have been erected and streets have been named in their honor. Veterans receive government benefits, no matter which side they fought on during the war.

Politicians are also deeply divided on the subject. Former President Viktor Yushchenko, who steered Ukraine toward the West after leading the 2004 Orange Revolution, campaigned to have the nationalist insurgents honored as heroes, even though leading Western historians say many of their units had a hand in massacring civilians, including Jews and Poles. And the radical nationalist party Svoboda — a vocal force in parliament whose leaders have been accused of anti-Semitic and racist remarks — extolls those fighters.

The Party of Regions led by President Viktor Yanukovych, who is seen as more Russia-friendly, has campaigned against treating the men as heroes. But the party has exploited the anti-fascist cause to its advantage. In May, it organized a large rally in Kiev to protest fascism and call for tolerance — but after the event ended, pro-government activists clashed with opposition protesters and beat up two journalists trying to film the brawl.

Post-Soviet Ukraine has failed to investigate, prosecute or bring to trial a single Nazi war criminal, according to Efraim Zuroff, the top Nazi hunter with the Simon Wiesenthal Center. The same is true of other post-Communist countries with a record of Nazi collaboration such as Latvia, Estonia and Belarus. Pressed by the West, Lithuania put three Nazi criminals on trial, but waited until they were too old or unfit to be punished. In all of these countries, experts say, suspected Nazi collaborators were protected because of their role fighting the Soviets, considered by much of the population as the greater enemy.

"Ukraine's efforts or lack of efforts to investigate and prosecute Nazi war criminals is assessed as a total failure; they haven't done a damn thing," Zuroff said. "To bring such people to justice would be very politically unpopular in Eastern Europe."

Ukrainians sought independence during centuries of rule by the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires as well as Poland, and seven decades as part of the Soviet Union. Subjugation under Poland lies at the heart of Ukraine's historic resentment against Poles. When Soviet Ukraine was overrun by the Nazis during World War II, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists initially cooperated with Hitler's forces, hoping to shake off the Soviet regime — which had collectivized farms, engineered a devastating famine that killed millions and imprisoned or executed regime opponents in droves. When leaders of the group realized the Nazis had no plans for an independent Ukraine, the group and its military wing switched to fighting both Stalin's and Hitler's forces. Other Ukrainian military units, such as the SS Galician Division or the Ukrainian Self Defense Legion, remained loyal to the Nazis.

Veterans of the Galician see themselves as freedom fighters.

Yevhen Kutsik, 86, was a 16-year-old boy when he took up arms and joined the SS Galician division after seeing "mountains of corpses of innocent tortured men, women and even children" left by the Soviets. "I fought for my motherland, for my people, for my country," Kutsik, clad in the division veterans' dark blue uniform and forage cap, told The Associated Press during the commemorations outside the western city of Lviv in late July. After the war, Kutsik served 12 years in a Soviet labor camp.

In April, a larger rally commemorating the SS Galician Division was held in Lviv. Men and women clad in traditional Ukrainian embroidered shirts marched peacefully in the center of the city waving the SS unit's blue and yellow banners — but there was also a clear neo-Nazi contingent in the mix. Some marchers wore Nazi SS caps or uniforms that appeared inspired by the Nazi Wehrmacht armed forces, while others gave Nazi salutes. A band of neo-Nazi skinheads from Russia marched alongside the Ukrainian nationalists, wearing T-shirts emblazoned with "SS Totenkopf" — in apparent reference to the SS unit that supplied death camp guards.

At another recent commemoration in the village of Yaseniv outside Lviv, a young man with the SS Galician division's lion symbol tattooed on his leg wore a T-shirt emblazoned with the neo-Nazi slogan: "White pride worldwide."

In much of the post-Soviet Union, people generally do not receive strong education regarding Holocaust horrors. Such ignorance plays a strong role in events such as the ones in Yaseniv and Chervone that glorify Nazi imagery — and most participants do not belong to the hard right. The tendency to overlook Nazi crimes, however, does breed tolerance of the few neo-Nazi elements among them, and can also lead to vulnerability to the xenophobic rhetoric of parties such as Svoboda.

Rallies in honor of soldiers who fought in Nazi units during WWII have been held in Latvia and Estonia over the past years, also sparking controversy.

Many Ukrainian historians see the insurgents, including those who collaborated with the Nazis, as resistance fighters and victims of unjust and brutal circumstances. Many Western historians say some of them were also involved in massacring civilians, such as Jews, Poles and Soviet sympathizers. The killings of Jews represent "a large and inexpugnable stain on the records of the Ukrainian national insurgency," writes John-Paul Himka, a historian at Canada's University of Alberta who studies the Holocaust in Ukraine. Historians are still weighing evidence on whether the SS Galician had a role in Nazi war crimes, Himka said.

An open discussion of the legacy of the Ukrainian insurgents was taboo during the Soviet era, with school children taught that they were enemies of the people. With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, secret archives opened up and witness accounts and documents became accessible, some portraying the nationalist fighters in a heroic light, others pointing to the atrocities they had committed.

"Now it has become open and with it a lot of pain has emerged," said Anatoly Podolsky, head of the Ukrainian Center for Holocaust Studies. "What cannot be done is to label them all as (Nazi) collaborators. Or as heroes. They are not all collaborators and they are not all heroes."

Podolsky and others say that a thorough investigation and condemnation of Nazi war crimes in Ukraine should be conducted alongside a similar review of the crimes committed by Soviet authorities, which also hasn't taken place.

Born in the Lutsk region, which is now part of western Ukraine, Karkoc emigrated to the United States shortly after the war by lying to American authorities about his role in the Ukrainian Self Defense Legion, which is accused of torching villages filled with women and children. The AP investigation found evidence indicating that Karkoc was at the scene of the massacres, although no records implicate him directly in them. When reached for comment at his home in Minnesota, Karkoc refused to discuss his past.

The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry declined to talk about the Karkoc case. The Prosecutor's Office said Karkoc's case would be reviewed by Ukraine's security agency.

But Vadim Kolesnichenko, a lawmaker with the president's party, asked the prosecutors to seek Karkoc's extradition from the United States and to put him on trial in Ukraine. "Nazi crimes against humanity have no expiration date," Kolesnichenko wrote in a blog posting.

Activists on the other side of the debate flocked to Karkoc's defense.

Rostislav Novozhenets, head of Ukraine-Rus, a group which studies Soviet repression against Ukrainians, said fighters like Karkoc cooperated with the Nazis for the sake of freeing their homeland from the totalitarian Soviet regime.

"Was it better to join the Soviet army, the army of a country infamous for repressions and the Holodmor (Stalin-era famine), which killed millions of its own citizens? The USSR was enemy No. 1," Novozhenets said. "That is why these boys, these Ukrainians, the representatives of an oppressed nation, cannot be condemned: They fought for an independent Ukraine and that is why they should be honored as fighters for independence."

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Svetlana Fedas contributed to this report from Lviv, Ukraine.
 
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Ukrainians Commemorate Waffen SS Galician Unit


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Ukraine divided over WWII legacy

http://news.**********/ukraine-divided-over-wwii-legacy-100702056.html


CHERVONE, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainians dressed in Nazi SS uniform trudge through trenches and fire model rifles in a reconstruction of a key battle against the Soviets during World War II. An Orthodox priest leads a ceremony for fallen soldiers of the Nazi unit, sprinkling his blessing over several men sporting swastikas who lower a coffin in a ritual reburial.

The scenes were part of commemorations last week of soldiers many Ukrainian nationalists — along with a smattering of hardcore ultra-rightists — hail as heroes. The men they are honoring belonged to the SS Galician division, a Nazi military unit made up mostly of Ukrainians, which fought Soviet troops during World War II.

More than 20 years since gaining independence from the Soviet Union, Ukraine remains painfully divided over the legacy of World War II and the actions of Ukrainian nationalist fighters, who are honored as heroes by some and condemned as traitors by others. Some of those fighters served under or cooperated with the Nazis, seeing a chance to overthrow the Soviet regime, while others fought both the Red Army and the Nazis.

"Ukraine is in our souls and hearts," said SS Galician division veteran Mykhailo Yamulyk, a gray-haired man in his late 80s, before the remains of some of his fellow soldiers were reburied in coffins draped with the yellow-and-blue Ukrainian flag at a cemetery in this small village in western Ukraine. "Those who say that we wore German uniform — yes, we did, and our weapons were German, but our hearts were full of Ukrainian blood and we never betrayed it."

One of Yamulyk's fellow SS Galician veterans is Michael Karkoc, a Minnesota man shown in an Associated Press investigation to have commanded a Nazi-led unit accused of atrocities. The annual commemorations of the Galician give an insight into the complex reaction that the Karkoc revelations have produced in Ukraine, in contrast to the near universal outrage they have stirred up in Poland, Germany and the United States.

Each year, competing rallies commemorating World War II are held throughout Ukraine, sometimes resulting in brawls. Much of the Russian-speaking east of the country celebrates the Red Army's victory over Nazi invaders, while in the Ukrainian-speaking west, where most of the anti-Soviet insurgents fought, monuments have been erected and streets have been named in their honor. Veterans receive government benefits, no matter which side they fought on during the war.

Politicians are also deeply divided on the subject. Former President Viktor Yushchenko, who steered Ukraine toward the West after leading the 2004 Orange Revolution, campaigned to have the nationalist insurgents honored as heroes, even though leading Western historians say many of their units had a hand in massacring civilians, including Jews and Poles. And the radical nationalist party Svoboda — a vocal force in parliament whose leaders have been accused of anti-Semitic and racist remarks — extolls those fighters.

The Party of Regions led by President Viktor Yanukovych, who is seen as more Russia-friendly, has campaigned against treating the men as heroes. But the party has exploited the anti-fascist cause to its advantage. In May, it organized a large rally in Kiev to protest fascism and call for tolerance — but after the event ended, pro-government activists clashed with opposition protesters and beat up two journalists trying to film the brawl.

Post-Soviet Ukraine has failed to investigate, prosecute or bring to trial a single Nazi war criminal, according to Efraim Zuroff, the top Nazi hunter with the Simon Wiesenthal Center. The same is true of other post-Communist countries with a record of Nazi collaboration such as Latvia, Estonia and Belarus. Pressed by the West, Lithuania put three Nazi criminals on trial, but waited until they were too old or unfit to be punished. In all of these countries, experts say, suspected Nazi collaborators were protected because of their role fighting the Soviets, considered by much of the population as the greater enemy.

"Ukraine's efforts or lack of efforts to investigate and prosecute Nazi war criminals is assessed as a total failure; they haven't done a damn thing," Zuroff said. "To bring such people to justice would be very politically unpopular in Eastern Europe."

Ukrainians sought independence during centuries of rule by the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires as well as Poland, and seven decades as part of the Soviet Union. Subjugation under Poland lies at the heart of Ukraine's historic resentment against Poles. When Soviet Ukraine was overrun by the Nazis during World War II, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists initially cooperated with Hitler's forces, hoping to shake off the Soviet regime — which had collectivized farms, engineered a devastating famine that killed millions and imprisoned or executed regime opponents in droves. When leaders of the group realized the Nazis had no plans for an independent Ukraine, the group and its military wing switched to fighting both Stalin's and Hitler's forces. Other Ukrainian military units, such as the SS Galician Division or the Ukrainian Self Defense Legion, remained loyal to the Nazis.

Veterans of the Galician see themselves as freedom fighters.

Yevhen Kutsik, 86, was a 16-year-old boy when he took up arms and joined the SS Galician division after seeing "mountains of corpses of innocent tortured men, women and even children" left by the Soviets. "I fought for my motherland, for my people, for my country," Kutsik, clad in the division veterans' dark blue uniform and forage cap, told The Associated Press during the commemorations outside the western city of Lviv in late July. After the war, Kutsik served 12 years in a Soviet labor camp.

In April, a larger rally commemorating the SS Galician Division was held in Lviv. Men and women clad in traditional Ukrainian embroidered shirts marched peacefully in the center of the city waving the SS unit's blue and yellow banners — but there was also a clear neo-Nazi contingent in the mix. Some marchers wore Nazi SS caps or uniforms that appeared inspired by the Nazi Wehrmacht armed forces, while others gave Nazi salutes. A band of neo-Nazi skinheads from Russia marched alongside the Ukrainian nationalists, wearing T-shirts emblazoned with "SS Totenkopf" — in apparent reference to the SS unit that supplied death camp guards.

At another recent commemoration in the village of Yaseniv outside Lviv, a young man with the SS Galician division's lion symbol tattooed on his leg wore a T-shirt emblazoned with the neo-Nazi slogan: "White pride worldwide."

In much of the post-Soviet Union, people generally do not receive strong education regarding Holocaust horrors. Such ignorance plays a strong role in events such as the ones in Yaseniv and Chervone that glorify Nazi imagery — and most participants do not belong to the hard right. The tendency to overlook Nazi crimes, however, does breed tolerance of the few neo-Nazi elements among them, and can also lead to vulnerability to the xenophobic rhetoric of parties such as Svoboda.

Rallies in honor of soldiers who fought in Nazi units during WWII have been held in Latvia and Estonia over the past years, also sparking controversy.

Many Ukrainian historians see the insurgents, including those who collaborated with the Nazis, as resistance fighters and victims of unjust and brutal circumstances. Many Western historians say some of them were also involved in massacring civilians, such as Jews, Poles and Soviet sympathizers. The killings of Jews represent "a large and inexpugnable stain on the records of the Ukrainian national insurgency," writes John-Paul Himka, a historian at Canada's University of Alberta who studies the Holocaust in Ukraine. Historians are still weighing evidence on whether the SS Galician had a role in Nazi war crimes, Himka said.

An open discussion of the legacy of the Ukrainian insurgents was taboo during the Soviet era, with school children taught that they were enemies of the people. With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, secret archives opened up and witness accounts and documents became accessible, some portraying the nationalist fighters in a heroic light, others pointing to the atrocities they had committed.

"Now it has become open and with it a lot of pain has emerged," said Anatoly Podolsky, head of the Ukrainian Center for Holocaust Studies. "What cannot be done is to label them all as (Nazi) collaborators. Or as heroes. They are not all collaborators and they are not all heroes."

Podolsky and others say that a thorough investigation and condemnation of Nazi war crimes in Ukraine should be conducted alongside a similar review of the crimes committed by Soviet authorities, which also hasn't taken place.

Born in the Lutsk region, which is now part of western Ukraine, Karkoc emigrated to the United States shortly after the war by lying to American authorities about his role in the Ukrainian Self Defense Legion, which is accused of torching villages filled with women and children. The AP investigation found evidence indicating that Karkoc was at the scene of the massacres, although no records implicate him directly in them. When reached for comment at his home in Minnesota, Karkoc refused to discuss his past.

The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry declined to talk about the Karkoc case. The Prosecutor's Office said Karkoc's case would be reviewed by Ukraine's security agency.

But Vadim Kolesnichenko, a lawmaker with the president's party, asked the prosecutors to seek Karkoc's extradition from the United States and to put him on trial in Ukraine. "Nazi crimes against humanity have no expiration date," Kolesnichenko wrote in a blog posting.

Activists on the other side of the debate flocked to Karkoc's defense.

Rostislav Novozhenets, head of Ukraine-Rus, a group which studies Soviet repression against Ukrainians, said fighters like Karkoc cooperated with the Nazis for the sake of freeing their homeland from the totalitarian Soviet regime.

"Was it better to join the Soviet army, the army of a country infamous for repressions and the Holodmor (Stalin-era famine), which killed millions of its own citizens? The USSR was enemy No. 1," Novozhenets said. "That is why these boys, these Ukrainians, the representatives of an oppressed nation, cannot be condemned: They fought for an independent Ukraine and that is why they should be honored as fighters for independence."

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Svetlana Fedas contributed to this report from Lviv, Ukraine.

This is not the Ukrainians, but Western Ukrainians(3 millons of 44). At a time when all progressive mankind fought against Nazism, these pigs served to Nazis. At the same time, they carried out the dirty work that the Germans disdain - shootings, punitive operations against civilians, security concetration camps.
Western Ukrainians - in fact not even really Slavic, but mixed Slavic-Hungarian-Romanian. Although in ancient times, they were part of Russia, but betrayed their roots, their name and even the Orthodox faith. In rest Ukraine, they are hated.
 
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This is not the Ukrainians, but Western Ukrainians(3 millons of 44). At a time when all progressive mankind fought against Nazism, these pigs served to Nazis. At the same time, they carried out the dirty work that the Germans disdain - shootings, punitive operations against civilians, security concetration camps.
Western Ukrainians - in fact not even really Slavic, but mixed Slavic-Hungarian-Romanian. Although in ancient times, they were part of Russia, but betrayed their roots, their name and even the Orthodox faith. In rest Ukraine, they are hated.

So,they are romanians but in ancient?!? times they were part of Russia,cause we know Russia is an ancient empire...he,he,he...altough history tells us that Russia came in what is today western Ukraine barely 250 years ago...he,he,he comrade vostok gets caught in its own web of lies and stupidity.

Contrary to vostok's soviet propaganda romanians weren't fascists,they had other ideology.

Iron Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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So,they are romanians but in ancient?!? times they were part of Russia,cause we know Russia is an ancient empire...he,he,he...altough history tells us that Russia came in what is today western Ukraine barely 250 years ago...he,he,he comrade vostok gets caught in its own web of lies and stupidity.

Contrary to vostok's soviet propaganda romanians weren't fascists,they had other ideology.

Iron Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The wiki article says Iron Guards were facists...but you say you weren't!:undecided:
 
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The wiki article says Iron Guards were facists...but you say you weren't!:undecided:

They like to lump all nationalist movements together,they had some common ground like anti semitism,the roman salute but the ideology was different.Unlike the fascists,the Iron Guard were religious fundamentalists promoting orthodox christianity as the sole religion of Romania and the only salvation,combining religion with nationalism and very often mysticism,unlike the fascists they had suicide brigades( sounds terribly familiar nowadays),they were also called "The Legion of the Archangel Mihail".Like other movements in Europe,they're making a slow but steady comeback due to the widening financial crisis.
 
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They like to lump all nationalist movements together,they had some common ground like anti semitism,the roman salute but the ideology was different.Unlike the fascists,the Iron Guard were religious fundamentalists promoting orthodox christianity as the sole religion of Romania and the only salvation,combining religion with nationalism and very often mysticism,unlike the fascists they had suicide brigades( sounds terribly familiar nowadays),they were also called "The Legion of the Archangel Mihail".Like other movements in Europe,they're making a slow but steady comeback due to the widening financial crisis.

Nationalist movements work fine until they go overboard....you one of them??
 
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Nationalist movements work fine until they go overboard....you one of them??

No,and i do not see them as a nationalist movement,not even fascists as i've said ,i see them more as the romanian version of the taliban.
 
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Hey flamer84,how we take care of Jobbik faschist anti-romanian,anti-serbian,anti-slovakian movement?

They even have support from Moscow.

Look at this "
Gábor Vona had a lecture at Lomonosov University


Gábor Vona had a lecture at Lomonosov University

Last week Gábor Vona visited Moscow on an invitation. He was invited by a professor of Lomonosov University, Prof. Alexandr Dugin, to present a lecture on the topic of "Russia and Europe".

Prof. Dugin is the former geopolitical advisor of President Putin and now he advises the Speaker of the Duma, the Russian Parliament. Gábor Vona met several leading politicians and had negotiations with them about the important issues of Hungarian-Russian relations. He met Ivan Dmitriyevich Grachov, the president of the Russian Parliament's energy policy committee and Vasiliy Tarasyuk, the vice-president of the same committee, who is also the vice-president of the Russian-Hungarian friendship group. He also spoke with Leonid Ivanovich Kalashnikov, the vice-president of the foreign affairs committee; two government MPs Yevgeniy Fedorov and Anton Vasilyevich Romanov as well as Alexei Anatolyevich Starikov, the vice-president of the Russian gas-industry association.

America: Europe's deformed offspring

The main topics of the discussions were the economic relations of the two countries, the potential Hungarian export and the crisis of the Union - Gábor Vona states in his post. After these meetings he held his presentation at the sociology department of Lomonosov University. The lecture was attended by approximately fifty students and teachers.

In his lecture, he referred to America as the deformed offspring of Europe and the EU as the traitor of our continent. In his view, Russia represents Europe much better than either of the two above, as it preserves its traditions and does not follow the culture of money and the masses. He said that the US could survive by looting and exploiting North America, and this life without traditions and culture was spread to Europe. In his view, Europe has become the servant and a sort of member state of the US, and their economies are so intertwined that a US bankruptcy would bring down Europe as well.


I cant post links,but put in Google Search "Gabor Vona had a lecture in Lomonosov University".They want rebirth of "Great Hungarian" dream.
 
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Hey flamer84,how we take care of Jobbik faschist anti-romanian,anti-serbian,anti-slovakian movement?

They even have support from Moscow.

Look at this "
Gábor Vona had a lecture at Lomonosov University


Gábor Vona had a lecture at Lomonosov University

Last week Gábor Vona visited Moscow on an invitation. He was invited by a professor of Lomonosov University, Prof. Alexandr Dugin, to present a lecture on the topic of "Russia and Europe".

Prof. Dugin is the former geopolitical advisor of President Putin and now he advises the Speaker of the Duma, the Russian Parliament. Gábor Vona met several leading politicians and had negotiations with them about the important issues of Hungarian-Russian relations. He met Ivan Dmitriyevich Grachov, the president of the Russian Parliament's energy policy committee and Vasiliy Tarasyuk, the vice-president of the same committee, who is also the vice-president of the Russian-Hungarian friendship group. He also spoke with Leonid Ivanovich Kalashnikov, the vice-president of the foreign affairs committee; two government MPs Yevgeniy Fedorov and Anton Vasilyevich Romanov as well as Alexei Anatolyevich Starikov, the vice-president of the Russian gas-industry association.

America: Europe's deformed offspring

The main topics of the discussions were the economic relations of the two countries, the potential Hungarian export and the crisis of the Union - Gábor Vona states in his post. After these meetings he held his presentation at the sociology department of Lomonosov University. The lecture was attended by approximately fifty students and teachers.

In his lecture, he referred to America as the deformed offspring of Europe and the EU as the traitor of our continent. In his view, Russia represents Europe much better than either of the two above, as it preserves its traditions and does not follow the culture of money and the masses. He said that the US could survive by looting and exploiting North America, and this life without traditions and culture was spread to Europe. In his view, Europe has become the servant and a sort of member state of the US, and their economies are so intertwined that a US bankruptcy would bring down Europe as well.


I cant post links,but put in Google Search "Gabor Vona had a lecture in Lomonosov University".They want rebirth of "Great Hungarian" dream.

Hungarians always has negative attitude towards Russia - they had reason to. In 1848, it was Russian troops suppressed the Hungarian uprising and saved from the destruction the Habsburg Empire.
But now the Hungarians go to Moscow on their own for advice, support and money. Why? Because they do not want in Hungary there were signs of moral degradation and decline of culture - the legalization of homosexuality, anti-culture, the elimination of sovereignty, the destruction of Christian values ​​and so on.
Every country in Europe in which will come to power not a puppet of Washington but the patriots who want to save the country from destruction - their representatives will travel to Moscow. Because no one can help them exept Russia.
 
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