UAE, Pakistan and Mirage 2000-9s

[Stephen Cohen]

With new weapons, AESA radar & EW suit JFT will be better then M2K9 & F-16 block 52.

That is OK ; but it is still lot of work to be done for the JF 17

Given that All Chinese Avionics are first made for and Tested
on the J 10 ; therefore Subsequent Miniaturisation ; Integration ;
Validation and Certification for the JF 17 -- It takes TIME

Not to mention the Space issues ; cooling issues and of course
Engine and Airframe issues

There are many issues which have to be looked at simultaneously
and concurrently

 

[syed_yusuf]

That is OK ; but it is still lot of work to be done for the JF 17

Given that All Chinese Avionics are first made for and Tested
on the J 10 ; therefore Subsequent Miniaturisation ; Integration ;
Validation and Certification for the JF 17 -- It takes TIME

Not to mention the Space issues ; cooling issues and of course
Engine and Airframe issues

There are many issues which have to be looked at simultaneously
and concurrently

I am not too sure if there is an engine or airframe issue. the radar is not a new type, it is based on existing technology adopted. you sound like PAC and CATIC are just starting the integration process. the development and integration started long time ago.

all the issues you have mentioned are and could cause delays, based on what i know, these items were already tested and sorted out. it is not like PAC and CATIC are announcing that they are starting the development. The development and eval is done. and getting ready for production phase.

This is where a major difference b/w Pakistan and India is.

Most of the time Pakistan announce when all is ready or near ready. while india announces when nothing is done but yet to start.

 

[Readerdefence]

The M2K-9's are not going anywhere till 2021 min.

Thx for your reply khafee

That is OK ; but it is still lot of work to be done for the JF 17

Given that All Chinese Avionics are first made for and Tested
on the J 10 ; therefore Subsequent Miniaturisation ; Integration ;
Validation and Certification for the JF 17 -- It takes TIME

Not to mention the Space issues ; cooling issues and of course
Engine and Airframe issues

There are many issues which have to be looked at simultaneously
and concurrently

Hi as you said yourself about miniaturisation & offcourse integration so I'm sure they don't need any validation or any certification coz I have read many times asking questions and in fact arguing about to produce the validation and certification of jf17 from your countrymen but they never been satisfied about the validation of jf17
So I'm just saying by the way no need for any validations

 

[Centurion2016]

With new weapons, AESA radar & EW suit JFT will be better then M2K9 & F-16 block 52.

The Pakistan airforce don't agree with your comment.

If there was a remote possibility that block three or block four thunder could be better than the block 52 and mirage 2000/9 then Pakistan would not be looking at sanction prone used falcons or hyper expensive mirage2000/9 .

But chasing foreign fighters the paf are suggesting they need more than just block three thunders to meet evolving indian air power

 

[GumNaam]

The Pakistan airforce don't agree with your comment.

If there was a remote possibility that block three or block four thunder could be better than the block 52 and mirage 2000/9 then Pakistan would not be looking at sanction prone used falcons or hyper expensive mirage2000/9 .

But chasing foreign fighters the paf are suggesting they need more than just block three thunders to meet evolving indian air power

there is really no authentic news source that indicates Pakistan is pursuing any other plane. Even the new F16s are available and we can afford them (yes, all that crap about the indians blocking it was just b.s., they just said that they won't fund it and that we'll have to finance the purchase on our own, that's all). We decided not to because all the indicators are that Pakistan Air Force is fully dedicated to taking the JF-17 to new heights and would rather dedicate resources towards that project rather than just purchasing planes. Let's face it; the JF-17 is a highly evolved design with tremendous potential.

 

[Basel]

That is OK ; but it is still lot of work to be done for the JF 17

Given that All Chinese Avionics are first made for and Tested
on the J 10 ; therefore Subsequent Miniaturisation ; Integration ;
Validation and Certification for the JF 17 -- It takes TIME

Not to mention the Space issues ; cooling issues and of course
Engine and Airframe issues

There are many issues which have to be looked at simultaneously
and concurrently

Please increase you knowledge Chinese AESA is ready for JFT, also western AESA is also available for JFT

 

[Centurion2016]

Please increase you knowledge Chinese AESA is ready for JFT, also western AESA is also available for JFT

Adding AESA on ita own will not be enough.

Two other areas need addressing

A new western engine with better thrust preferably western as they are less maintenance headache

And far more modern airframe with composites added to aid strength and reduce weight and rcs .

Both these additions will improve flight capability especially in dog fighting and avoidance if Sam and wvr middle threats.

The issue is the massive retesting that would need to be done first

The cost of each thunder would nearly double

 

[MastanKhan]

Adding AESA on ita own will not be enough.

Two other areas need addressing

A new western engine with better thrust preferably western as they are less maintenance headache

And far more modern airframe with composites added to aid strength and reduce weight and rcs .

Both these additions will improve flight capability especially in dog fighting and avoidance if Sam and wvr middle threats.

The issue is the massive retesting that would need to be done first

The cost of each thunder would nearly double

Hi,

You are extremely ill-informed---and very prejudicial in your comments---. Aesa is a powerhouse in itself---.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistani financial condition only allowing to focus on JF17 and its marketing to recoup the initial production cost. They have only option for new plane is China. Anything from Chinese shelves.

 

[Centurion2016]

Hi,

You are extremely ill-informed---and very prejudicial in your comments---. Aesa is a powerhouse in itself---.

If the only thing that mattered then everbody would just add AESA to Mig21 and f7 and be done with it.

Thunder has some big areas that can and need improving AESA is good start but on its own leaves big weaknesses in aeras mentioned

You are being narrow.minded

 

[BATMAN]

Hi,

You are extremely ill-informed---and very prejudicial in your comments---. Aesa is a powerhouse in itself---.

Profi. prejuidce... an inherently prejudice person, who is paid to be prejudice and he/she happens to love his/her job.
Stated defination fits to most of Indian posters.
Disclamer.: above is my personal opinion and not that of defence.pk

 

[MastanKhan]

If the only thing that mattered then everbody would just add AESA to Mig21 and f7 and be done with it.

Thunder has some big areas that can and need improving AESA is good start but on its own leaves big weaknesses in areas mentioned

You are being narrow.minded

Hi,

The reason it is not done is---because there are no so small aesa's available to fit in that nose---.

Their engines cannot handle the extra power needed to run aesa and other auxiallry items.

Plus the cost the item in relation to the aircraft---. The aesa would be more expensive than the aircraft you mentioned---.

JF17 has everything that it needs.

 

[Centurion2016]

Hi,

The reason it is not done is---because there are no so small aesa's available to fit in that nose---.

Their engines cannot handle the extra power needed to run aesa and other auxiallry items.

Plus the cost the item in relation to the aircraft---. The aesa would be more expensive than the aircraft you mentioned---.

JF17 has everything that it needs.

Jf17 itself is a small plane so lacks the power of the f16 and the j10 and limits the number of weapons load range and ancillary pods. You are right it will.also mean reduced power for radars .

It's a small.lightweight fighter

Pakistan have deliberately cut corners on interest of speedy induction and reduced cost

 

[Basel]

Adding AESA on ita own will not be enough.

Two other areas need addressing

A new western engine with better thrust preferably western as they are less maintenance headache

And far more modern airframe with composites added to aid strength and reduce weight and rcs .

Both these additions will improve flight capability especially in dog fighting and avoidance if Sam and wvr middle threats.

The issue is the massive retesting that would need to be done first

The cost of each thunder would nearly double

Both are achievable if PAF push for it.

 

[Incog_nito]

I think it's a Good Fighter that can be deployed in Pakistan's Maritime region.