Twin Engined J-10? What Happened to it

[Akh1112]

It is not even a rumour, it is a misinterpretation on your own and as we see, "The Tall Guy" even corrected your false assumption and explicitly said you misunderstood him. As such it is indeed WRONG - in order to avoid the term stupid - to stick on this issue; not sure what's so difficult to understand.

And as such it is more than justified to ask for an explanation instead of a rude insult only since You cannot explain why you still take your own wrong misinterpretation for granted? ... the fact alone, that someone else posted this does not make it correct.
And as such positive agreements are also irrelevant. This is exactly the same way MK and some others "agreed" in all their wisdom the Block 3 JF-17 will get an Italian engine, all shared positive ratings and used these are proof for their claim while at the same time refused to explain why they think such an engine could be an option regardless that none exists.

Therefore again kindly asked: PLEASE explain WHY you think AZM is nothing but a pimped-up twin-engined JF-17.

His secret ISI source told him

 

[Ultima Thule]

Please clean your mouth and come back otherwise I will reply in kind and you will again start your hissy fit.

He is not calling you stupid but for your idea about AZM that would like to based on JFT according to you

Good point. I'm with you that a twin engine makes more sense. However, here are a few points you are pointing to:
1. Twin engine (during development, this could be rethought)
2. Super cruising (let's hope, will depend on engine power)
3. laser weapons (no contradiction or disagreement)
4. 5th generation (other reports suggest 5.5). This means little as a stealthy layout would kind of be open to interpretation if its 5th or 5.5. or "4.9" as some Europeans like to talk of.



I've replied politely to you. I'm not sure where that came from. By the way, what false rumour have I spread? Good luck getting a positive response next time.



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I'm going to trudge along despite the multiple hijacking attempts here to derail the thread.

A twin engine vs a single engine.

A twin engine conventional layout makes no sense for the Azm because it would be too close to the J-31 and would essentially be a modified J-31. Which is what TheTallGuy suggested may be the most logical thing to do for Pakistan.

If its a twin engined conventional layout, it would be hard to believe its going to be a newly conceived design as the CAS suggested. So either way, you end up with a contradiction. In one case, its not a freshly conceived design as the CAS suggests, and in the other case - it makes no sense to reinvent the wheel when there is a J-31.

As of now, I'm thinking that the Azm will be a clean-sheet design. Either a conventional layout or a canard delta. The following possibilities exist for it:
1. An enlarged, stealthy JF-17 type design with WS-15. (by that I mean a conventional layout very broadly similar to the JF-17 / F-16.
2. A J-31 derivative
3. A "twin engined J-10" derivative that is designed with relative stealth in mind.

And your this project/thread is based on rumors which is long gone now. So what new about it

 

[The Raven]

He has a habit of peddling his fantasies and BS wherever he goes, whether here, PakDef, AFM forum or Chinese forums. He's been banned from here and on other forums. Whether it's the PAF buying the now defunct JH-7, using JF-17 as UAV drones and decoys, the JF-17 using an "Italian" engine, Azm being a larger twin engine JF-17, etc etc... it's never ending BS and fantasies.

 

[Deino]

He has a habit of peddling his fantasies and BS wherever he goes, whether here, PakDef, AFM forum or Chinese forums. He's been banned from here and on other forums. Whether it's the PAF buying the now defunct JH-7, using JF-17 as UAV drones and decoys, the JF-17 using an "Italian" engine, Azm being a larger twin engine JF-17, etc etc... it's never ending BS and fantasies.

Yes and as such I see it as my duty even if I'm not allowed to moderate here too to stop this spreading of lies, faked news, wrong assumption and even more his constant aggression.

 

[Scorpiooo]

J-20 has never and will never be for export. Even the J-10 was made available only relatively recently, and even then an export version. The FC-31 is China's dedicated export fifth gen fighter.

Correct me if i am not wrong @Deino , J20 can only be exported as Chinese rules when PLAAF have some more advanced then J20 in there lines (like something belong to gen 5.5 or above)

 

[Akh1112]

Correct me if i am not wrong @Deino , J20 can only be exported as Chinese rules when PLAAF have some more advanced then J20 in there lines (like something belong to gen 5.5 or above)

Nope, you are right. A good example is looking at ERA. Up til recently, FY-IV was not cleared for export, now the PLA have something better, its available.

 

[Armchair]

From Hui Tong's site: WS-19. This could potentially power the J-35 or Azm IF it is a twin engined plane.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--8SHVmVv...UvRuBndUCechImPj6n7-YQCKgBGAs/s1600/WS-19.jpg

I'm simply going to ignore the trolling and report the posts. Thanks for the moderator that cleaned up that thread. It seems now the trolls are openly saying their aim is to shut me up. That isn't the spirit of this forum.

Incidentally, I was looking to see if Hui Tong had any information on any other stealth fighter development, and it seems he doesn't.

 

[KaiserX]

Azm will not be based off the JF-17s designs. It will be a clean sheet design. Sure experience used on the JF-17 program will def be used but that's where it starts and ends. AZM will be a completely different beast altogether.

 

[Armchair]

Azm will not be based off the JF-17s designs. It will be a clean sheet design. Sure experience used on the JF-17 program will def be used but that's where it starts and ends. AZM will be a completely different beast altogether.

I think a conventional layout would be easier to figure out for PAF given the FCS of the JF-17. The Superhornet is in reality a clean sheet design of the Hornet. Yet, it was a lower risk development path than trying say - a Rafale type aircraft. Not saying that the gap between the JF-17 and Azm will be the gap between the Hornet and Superhornet - perhaps this gap may be more (with stealth and laser), but what makes the lowest risk development sense something along those lines (very roughly).

This isn't speculation. I'm not saying this is what it will be. What I am saying is that this is one of a number of possibilities, with this being the least risky development effort.

 

[Ultima Thule]

From Hui Tong's site: WS-19. This could potentially power the J-35 or Azm IF it is a twin engined plane.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--8SHVmVv...UvRuBndUCechImPj6n7-YQCKgBGAs/s1600/WS-19.jpg

I'm simply going to ignore the trolling and report the posts. Thanks for the moderator that cleaned up that thread. It seems now the trolls are openly saying their aim is to shut me up. That isn't the spirit of this forum.

Incidentally, I was looking to see if Hui Tong had any information on any other stealth fighter development, and it seems he doesn't.

Their no links between J35 and AZM
AND THIS THREAD ARE BASED ON TROLLING STARTED BY YOU

I think a conventional layout would be easier to figure out for PAF given the FCS of the JF-17. The Superhornet is in reality a clean sheet design of the Hornet. Yet, it was a lower risk development path than trying say - a Rafale type aircraft. Not saying that the gap between the JF-17 and Azm will be the gap between the Hornet and Superhornet - perhaps this gap may be more (with stealth and laser), but what makes the lowest risk development sense something along those lines (very roughly).

This isn't speculation. I'm not saying this is what it will be. What I am saying is that this is one of a number of possibilities, with this being the least risky development effort.

TELL ME IS SUPERHORNET IS STEALTHY JET OR IT HAS REDUCED RCS AS COMPARED TO BASIC HORNET
LEARN SOME BASICS OF AVIATION/AERODYNAMIC THEN COME HERE TO POST

2. Super cruising (let's hope, will depend on engine power)

THIS SHOWS YOU NOTHING KNOW ABOUT AVIATION
ITS MORE ABOUT T/W RATIO (THRUST TO WEIGHT RATIO) RATHER RELYING ON ONLY ENGINE POWER

 

[Armchair]

First time anyone has ever been blamed for starting a thread as "trolling his thread". I started it to continue my conversation with TheTallGuy to get more ideas out of him, instead of continuing the topic in a different thread where it would have been off-topic. I'm (or was) trying to get ideas of him. Doubt that will happen now.

 

[Ultima Thule]

First time anyone has ever been blamed for starting a thread as "trolling his thread". I started it to continue my conversation with TheTallGuy to get more ideas out of him, instead of continuing the topic in a different thread where it would have been off-topic. I'm (or was) trying to get ideas of him. Doubt that will happen now.

YOU OPEN A DEAD THREAD, SUPER -10 IS DEAD PROJECT
AND YOU'RE TROLLING IN YOUR OWN THREAD,YOU LACK LOGIC AND COMMONSENSE DUDE

 

[Armchair]

YOU OPEN A DEAD THREAD, SUPER -10 IS DEAD PROJECT
AND YOU'RE TROLLING IN YOUR OWN THREAD,YOU LACK LOGIC AND COMMONSENSE DUDE

Well dude, at the very least I don't write in all caps. You're not going to win any logic and common sense awards in all caps. Why not come down and have a cup of tea and tell me how I am not logical normally?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Well dude, at the very least I don't write in all caps. You're not going to win any logic and common sense awards in all caps. Why not come down and have a cup of tea and tell me how I am not logical normally?

Now tell me is SUPERHORNET is a stealthy jet according to you does SUPERHORNET has plan-form alignments like f-22/F35 does???

 

[Armchair]

Now tell me is SUPERHORNET is a stealthy jet according to you does SUPERHORNET has plan-form alignments like f-22/F35 does???

Stealthy - notice the Y at the end. Between, stealth is a continuum. There is nothing that is completely invisible to detection. There are US professionals who post this not only in other forums but on PDF - that in operational conditions, these so called invisible jets are necessarily invisible.

The RCS of any aircraft varies, operationally, in terms of angles, and in terms of what radar is detecting it. Modern radars have greater ability to detect stealth aircraft, as do special radars that are able to consistently detect stealth aircraft.

Is the block 3 more stealthy than the Block 2? Some would suggest so. If I recall, including messiach. Is the Super Hornet stealthier than the Hornet? I would think so. Is the Azm going to be stealthier than the JF-17? I hope so!

Where is the lack of logic in this post my friend?