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OKK has multiple Groups that operate on different operational levels.
The way the OKK works is very poorly transelated for the media and there is a reason for this. Do you know ever look at the videos that have been around of Maroon's like media displays etc. Running around shooting at baloons rolling like idiots etc. Its all on purpose, a specifically choreographed routine, did you ever notice they do the same drills for years for the media...this is on purpose, it maintains the operational security of the Maroons. They even were choreographed on how they walk in order to hide how our maroons move/fight. These media displays are also often demonstated by people who arent actually maroons but are media officers and NCOs just showing off a routine they practice and learn off. Its like a dance to them.
Trust me when I tell you on this, no maroon beret, up until the last couple of years, has ever made an appearance to the public and performed tactics / movements / drills the way they do in reality behind closed doors. It is an offense that can get the media officer court marshaled unless specific permission is granted in written format.
Maroon Beret is also a generalized term that many people who haven't worked with Maroon Berets fail to understand. Any Uzman, AstSubay, or Subay in our military can earn the Maroon Beret by simply performing in and passing a special physical/mental course held once a year in OKK training command. That soldier will then return to his regular unit. Although they are not officially a Maroon Beret passing this course (which must be done every year) allows them to stay on a list of Reserves that can be called up to join the Maroons as support staff.
It is the operational teams within the Maroon Berets that matter. There are entire Maroon beret teams of Uzman's. But most people think you have to be atleast AstSubay to become one. Untrue again.
The teams work on different levels of operational capability and security clearance. Similar to the US Tier system maybe.
The highest echelon teams in our Maroons are unheard of and completely unseen in the media. Even if you pass the selection as an Uzman you receive automatic promotion to Astsubay upon Graduation. Of these High tier teams which are comparable to the highest capability SAS teams and the highly secretive Spetsnaz teams that work neither for GRU or regular military branches.Maroons from echelon 2 teams have to pass a whole new selection course to get in to the first Echelon.
The numbers of our top echelon Maroons is extremely low.
The numbers of what you would call regular Maroons (Work against PKK in North Iraq etc) is also quite low but more than 200 anyway.
The number of third echelon Maroons which consist of Maroons who have returned to regular units, admin and support personnel, logistics personnel, and teams of Uzmans is in the thousands.
I have worked as OPFOR for so many different maroon teams that I can tell you the level of quality from one echelon to the other is actually quite large. Even MAK who the media are obsessed with and think are the best of the best are in fact not the toughest ive faced. Spent 5 days fighting MAK with simulator gear During EFES 2011 and although they are good at what they are meant to do, track and rescue VIPs, they are not superior to some of the other teams that we possess.
Never once went OPFOR for First Echelon Maroons, because they do not go to regular military exercises. When First Echelon Maroons are looking for training and exercises then Echolon 2 Maroons sometimes are the enemy; what we were told was that most of the time other First Echelon teams would act as the enemy.
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Echelon 1 members numbered between 50-100.
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You described the "creme de la creme".
Comparable to SEAL Team Six.
Maybe even more experienced and trained then the members of joint Task-force K-Bar in Afghanistan.
Very detailed and useful.
That corresponds with Deno's detailed information about Turkish SAS and that their number is only 200.
But it is also disillusion , if I compare it with KSK core force which has 1300 strentgh.
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And that is absolute right.
You remember the incidents that happened 2003 and we discussed all together in an other forum ?
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which incidentYou described the "creme de la creme".
Comparable to SEAL Team Six.
Maybe even more experienced and trained then the members of joint Task-force K-Bar in Afghanistan.
Very detailed and useful.
That corresponds with Deno's detailed information about Turkish SAS and that their number is only 200.
But it is also disillusion , if I compare it with KSK core force which has 1300 strentgh.
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And that is absolute right.
You remember the incidents that happened 2003 and we discussed all together in an other forum ?
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It was called CUVAL olayi.
Later we discussed about it and criticized also private life behavior of some Maroons and a Maroon commander in an old no more existent forum.
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The Maroon team in Iraq 2003 was Echelon 2. Those teams are still present all over Iraq today with agreement from KRG. Echelon 1 teams do not operate against enemies like the PKK. Its purpose is aimed towards actual nations / governments / modern conventional armed forces.
However I missed the discussions on the 2003 Iraq incident. i would greatly appreciate a pm about it if you are well versed on the mistakes made.
K-Bar was all Echelon 2 also.
Echelon 1 operational info will never, EVER be released public nor will those teams ever collaborate with foreign nations, not even NATO.
Echelon 1 is just a classification, for ease of reference, the teams are infact un-named. Even on file in Red Room they aren't named or discussed apparently.
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Very thin ice.
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Whats wrong ? Against forum rules ? By pm I meant a message here in the forum.
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I would prefer not to refresh it. "Let the corpses in the tomb".You know for sure that after an -deep- investigation some active officers had to retire, cause their easy/quick tongue/mouth "Leak" in "interpersonal" relations enabled some people to make a psychoanalysis of Echo2 and its weak points at that time.
And it is also for my opinion "dangerous" to discuss Echo1, that would same as to discuss SAD/SOG or SAD/PAG.
RIP KK.
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I would prefer not to refresh it. "Let the corpses in the tomb".You know for sure that after an -deep- investigation some active officers had to retire, cause their easy/quick tongue/mouth "Leak" in "interpersonal" relations enabled some people to make a psychoanalysis of Echo2 and its weak points at that time.
And it is also for my opinion "dangerous" to discuss Echo1, that would same as to discuss SAD/SOG or SAD/PAG.
RIP KK.
Echelon 1 can only be discussed on a hearsay basis, everything is rumours and word of mouth as not even a single mission, exercise, numbers, training regimen, standards nothing exists. Everything known about them is a rumor from another soldier, that's it. Its like trying to find info on the most secretive Russian units, it doesn't exist because it is aimed at conventional opponents meaning opsec is completely locked down.
Anyone with military knowledge will look at OKK's history and organization and will know such high grade teams exists but they will never learn anything about them in this lifetime.
The reason why I asked for your info on 2003 in private message was incase you didnt want it to be discussed openly. Again the basic information that came out everyone knows. But your earlier comment made it seem like you knew more, that gained my curiosity.
Discussing SAD/SOG is nothing serious at all. No different than discussing any other force.
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You know Caesarea ? Try to analyze some available sources and you will get answers. I know it sounds mysterious. Things can develop positive as planned, based on lucky coincidents or in the other direction can fail partly or complete. Many factors are not exact planable in advance. There are also non calculable factors, success needs often so called supernatural instinct, accommodation to unexpected developments and the support of invisible buddies even you don't know their existence. Most healthy after-works analysis and proceedings are based on later contribution of skilled so called watchers and talented analysts, who accompanied hidden and even themselves didn't know what they were watching. There exists no handbook loyalty, character, experience, instinct and the circumstances where and how you grew up are decisive factors. The statistic chance is to 1.000.000 : 1 in ratio to the country population, but closer than a Lotto jackpot. That was and ( is) the mystery and success of Nato - staybehind. Your contribution was appreciated.
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The Revolution is Coming | Global SOF Foundation
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December 2nd, 2015
By: LTC Sandor Fabian
“With two thousand years of examples behind us, we have no excuses when fighting for not fighting well.” -- T. E. Lawrence
Since the end of the Cold War only a handful countries remained in the world with a meaningful conventional military capability. Most countries lost their ability to defend themselves without significant external support. Due to shrinking defense budgets most of these nations are struggling to maintain their conventional military structure and hardware despite the fact that they have become obsolete and irrelevant. Furthermore, these nations cannot keep up with the speed of the 21st century`s military developments because the price tag of the modern systems has become so high. We will see that more and more countries will seriously consider Sir Winston Churchill`s thoughts: “Gentlemen, we have run out of money! It is time to think.” Driven by these resources problems and the evolving threats presented by our current adversaries, including a re-emerging and aggressive Russia and multi-faceted terrorist organizations like ISIS and Al-Qaida, fundamental changes will occur in how nations—small countries in particular—are going to look at the idea of defense.
What the world is about to witness is a fundamental shift from the current conventionally focused defensive approaches to much more unconventional national strategies. This will not only involve the introduction of more specialized forces and high-tech equipment in support of the large conventional system, but a total restructuring of everything we would associate with defense. We have already seen signs of such developments in several countries, but they have been characterized by cautious steps instead of the beginning of a complete break down of historical military traditions. This will change soon, and the revolution that is coming can be described in three steps.
First, more and more nations will understand that their traditional understanding of defense and the organizations serving it are not working anymore and will consider the introduction of an “unrestricted” or “total” war-like national defense strategy. This new approach will answer Samuel P. Huntington`s famous question about how to modernize a defensive system without westernizing it.
Second, in their new approach, countries will break down the decades-old (in some cases hundreds of years-old) military culture and traditions. Just like the phalanx, the heavy cavalry, and the hussars (and the weapon systems associated with these formations) vanished hundreds of years ago, the existing services, branches, formations and the military rank system will disappear in most small countries. I foresee defense formations comprised of military, police, secret services, intelligence agent, hacker, terrorist, partisan, insurgent, pirate, hider-finder etc. These formations will be employed with completely unexpected techniques, tactics, and procedures to defeat both a conventional and/or an unconventional adversary.
Third, small nations will move away from pursuing high-tech to the “right-tech” approach. Countries will soon understand that they cannot buy and sustain the most advanced weapons, but they do not have to. They can free themselves from their slavery to technology. We are at the point in technological development when we can choose our way of fighting first and then develop the proper hardware in support of it. Instead of trying to compete with a tank against a tank or an airplane against an airplane, a nation’s approach can focus only on technologies that mitigate modern systems’ advantages or make them irrelevant.
Small countries will soon start to implement fundamental changes in their approach to defense through the three steps described above. They will start to harvest from the edges of strategic thinking in order to ensure their future survival. Nations will finally realize that the unconventional approach can not only be an instrument in the hands of the non-state actors, but can be taken to another level as a state`s grand strategy, allowing nations to become smart and nimble. When this time comes the involved stakeholders will look for some already basic framework to start building on and this should be the time for national special operations forces to prevail.
The characteristics of SOF—including flexibility, non-traditional thinking, and the ability to adapt to the changing environment—could make SOF the primary vehicle to implement these fundamental changes in national security strategy. The responsibility of national SOF is going to be to recognize the change and instead of trying to block the revolution, to support it as much as possible. Of course it may often have devastating effects for the SOF culture and traditions, but what will arise from the destruction is a more sustainable and more relevant defensive capability than most of the countries possess today. Do not be afraid of change, but be part of it as much as possible. Because it is not a question anymore of if the revolution is coming; the only question remaining is in which country first and how soon?
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LTC Sandor Fabian is a Special Forces officer in the Hungarian Army. He began his career as a specialist in long-range reconnaissance. In 2006, CPT Fabian participated in the creation of the Hungarian Special Forces Battalion as a Special Forces Company Commander. At the beginning of 2009 he was promoted to major and deployed to Afghanistan as the commander of the Hungarian Special Forces element. In June 2012, after receiving his Master of Science degree at the Naval Postgraduate School, MAJ Fabian became the senior Special Forces advisor at the Operational Directorate of the Hungarian General Staff. At the beginning of 2014 he was promoted to lieutenant-colonel and is currently serving as the Assessment and Evaluation Branch Head in the NATO Special Operations Headquarters, in Mons, Belgium.
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By: LTC Sandor Fabian
“With two thousand years of examples behind us, we have no excuses when fighting for not fighting well.” -- T. E. Lawrence
Since the end of the Cold War only a handful countries remained in the world with a meaningful conventional military capability. Most countries lost their ability to defend themselves without significant external support. Due to shrinking defense budgets most of these nations are struggling to maintain their conventional military structure and hardware despite the fact that they have become obsolete and irrelevant. Furthermore, these nations cannot keep up with the speed of the 21st century`s military developments because the price tag of the modern systems has become so high. We will see that more and more countries will seriously consider Sir Winston Churchill`s thoughts: “Gentlemen, we have run out of money! It is time to think.” Driven by these resources problems and the evolving threats presented by our current adversaries, including a re-emerging and aggressive Russia and multi-faceted terrorist organizations like ISIS and Al-Qaida, fundamental changes will occur in how nations—small countries in particular—are going to look at the idea of defense.
What the world is about to witness is a fundamental shift from the current conventionally focused defensive approaches to much more unconventional national strategies. This will not only involve the introduction of more specialized forces and high-tech equipment in support of the large conventional system, but a total restructuring of everything we would associate with defense. We have already seen signs of such developments in several countries, but they have been characterized by cautious steps instead of the beginning of a complete break down of historical military traditions. This will change soon, and the revolution that is coming can be described in three steps.
First, more and more nations will understand that their traditional understanding of defense and the organizations serving it are not working anymore and will consider the introduction of an “unrestricted” or “total” war-like national defense strategy. This new approach will answer Samuel P. Huntington`s famous question about how to modernize a defensive system without westernizing it.
Second, in their new approach, countries will break down the decades-old (in some cases hundreds of years-old) military culture and traditions. Just like the phalanx, the heavy cavalry, and the hussars (and the weapon systems associated with these formations) vanished hundreds of years ago, the existing services, branches, formations and the military rank system will disappear in most small countries. I foresee defense formations comprised of military, police, secret services, intelligence agent, hacker, terrorist, partisan, insurgent, pirate, hider-finder etc. These formations will be employed with completely unexpected techniques, tactics, and procedures to defeat both a conventional and/or an unconventional adversary.
Third, small nations will move away from pursuing high-tech to the “right-tech” approach. Countries will soon understand that they cannot buy and sustain the most advanced weapons, but they do not have to. They can free themselves from their slavery to technology. We are at the point in technological development when we can choose our way of fighting first and then develop the proper hardware in support of it. Instead of trying to compete with a tank against a tank or an airplane against an airplane, a nation’s approach can focus only on technologies that mitigate modern systems’ advantages or make them irrelevant.
Small countries will soon start to implement fundamental changes in their approach to defense through the three steps described above. They will start to harvest from the edges of strategic thinking in order to ensure their future survival. Nations will finally realize that the unconventional approach can not only be an instrument in the hands of the non-state actors, but can be taken to another level as a state`s grand strategy, allowing nations to become smart and nimble. When this time comes the involved stakeholders will look for some already basic framework to start building on and this should be the time for national special operations forces to prevail.
The characteristics of SOF—including flexibility, non-traditional thinking, and the ability to adapt to the changing environment—could make SOF the primary vehicle to implement these fundamental changes in national security strategy. The responsibility of national SOF is going to be to recognize the change and instead of trying to block the revolution, to support it as much as possible. Of course it may often have devastating effects for the SOF culture and traditions, but what will arise from the destruction is a more sustainable and more relevant defensive capability than most of the countries possess today. Do not be afraid of change, but be part of it as much as possible. Because it is not a question anymore of if the revolution is coming; the only question remaining is in which country first and how soon?
_______________________
LTC Sandor Fabian is a Special Forces officer in the Hungarian Army. He began his career as a specialist in long-range reconnaissance. In 2006, CPT Fabian participated in the creation of the Hungarian Special Forces Battalion as a Special Forces Company Commander. At the beginning of 2009 he was promoted to major and deployed to Afghanistan as the commander of the Hungarian Special Forces element. In June 2012, after receiving his Master of Science degree at the Naval Postgraduate School, MAJ Fabian became the senior Special Forces advisor at the Operational Directorate of the Hungarian General Staff. At the beginning of 2014 he was promoted to lieutenant-colonel and is currently serving as the Assessment and Evaluation Branch Head in the NATO Special Operations Headquarters, in Mons, Belgium.
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