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Turkey lashes out at Swedish FM, Austria over ‘defamation’

I'd rather be a Kurd or a Greek than be a gypsy. You are too salty for a ex-vilayet, Turkey is beyond your reach...now you cry me a river:lol:


Nope,I'm quite relaxed.You're probably a gypsie to as you brought them in Europe and most stayed in Anatolia but you mixed with them like you did with other populations,we,being "racists",not so much.So,don't beat your pretty little turk head about it,you're a gypsie to.Proof ? Take a look at 50% of your population..Cheers.
 
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The recent crisis between Turkey and the EU countries of Austria and Sweden over the Turkish top court’s annulment of an article concerning sexual actions against children has flared up with Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lövfen’s entry into the debate, but it has emerged that the issue that led to rising tensions on a diplomatic level was the result of miscommunication between the countries’ officials.


1)How did the crisis between Turkey and Sweden that reached a peak over claims that Turkey was now permitting child abuse all begin?

The crisis began when some European officials misunderstood the Turkish Constitutional Court’s May 26, 2016, decision to annul an article of the Turkish Penal Code concerning sentences to be given to convicts over sexual abuse offenses against children under the age of 15.
However, when the Constitutional Court took the decision, it demanded the Turkish parliament re-regulate the article in six months and retain the rule until then to avoid creating any legal loopholes. As such, no offenses will go unpunished. Right-wing Austrian newspaper “Kronen Zeitung,” however, ran a story on a news ticker at Vienna airport which read: “Turkey allow sexual abuse against children under the age of 15.”
When Swedish Foreign Affairs Minister Margot Wallström subsequently shared this on her official Twitter account, a crisis erupted between Turkey and Sweden.


2)Is the crisis finished?

Not exactly. Although the Turkish Foreign Ministry launched a diplomatic initiative toward Sweden and explained the situation, there has been no change in the attitude of Sweden and the critical statements have continued. Both Justice Minister Bekir Bozdağ and Deputy Prime Minister Mehmet Şimşek highlighted that the problem was derived from misinformation. Bozdağ said there was no legal loophole and that the law would be re-regulated before the Constitutional Court’s anticipated time expired.

“There will be no lack of punishment,” he said. In response to this, Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lövfen recently made a statement saying the top Turkish court’s decision was “worrisome” and that “there was risk that children rights might be rolled back. Children are children.”


3)Which article of Turkish Penal Code did the Constitutional Court annul?

In the Turkish Penal Court, sexual-related crimes against children are regulated under Article 103, which covers children’s sexual abuse. In this article’s first section, all sexual actions committed against children under the age of 15 are identified as “sexual abuse.” The Constitutional Court annulled this clause of the law, saying it would enter into force six months after it was published in the Official Gazette. The decision was announced in the Official Gazette on July 13, 2016, and therefore the deadline will expire on Jan. 13, 2017. The court took the decision with seven votes in favor and six votes against. This also shows that the court had a tough decision.


4)Why did the Constitutional Court take such a decision?

The court took the decision upon an appeal by a local court in the Bafra district of the northern province of Samsun. The appeal came with the view that the sentences stipulated by the Turkish Criminal Code (TCK) for such crimes were not proportional in light of a case that was opened after two children aged 15 became involved in a sexual relationship. In the appeal, the local court highlighted that the punishments for actions involving children who cannot defend themselves and those who had grown up to the age of comparative sexual maturity and were able to have sexual intercourse of his/her own free volition were regulated under the same fashion.

According to the court, this situation was disproportionate in terms of the penalty and legal benefit. The court also drew attention to the different punishments applied to children of different age groups in these crimes under the TCK, consequently arguing that the current law was against the constitution and demanded its overturn.


5)What is the justification for the Constitutional Court’s decision?

In its decision, the court annulled the “not exceeding” (age of 15) phrase in the Turkish Penal Code’s 103/1-a clause on the grounds that it “foresees a disproportionate punishment” and that was against the “principle of the state of law and enforcement.” In the decision, the court said: “there is no doubt that the fact that children’s sexual abuse was tied to heavy enforcement is for the realization of the child’s effective protection...The rule that was appealed had the character that in some situations, it would not comply with the characteristics of the concrete situation and would lead to heavy punishments that would greatly remove the legal balance that needs to be preserved between the crime and the punishment. Therefore the rule, since it foresees a disproportionate punishment, is against the principle of the state of law and punishment.


6)What will the criteria for the new regulation be based on?


The government will pass a new regulation that will rearrange the annulled decision in the upcoming six months through parliament. With the Justice Ministry, the work on this issue has begun. In the new regulation, it is expected that the sentences will be identified gradually just as how the constitutional court expects it to be. According to the study with the ministry, there will be criteria of “the suspect is as young as the victim,” “the intercourse is consensual” and other points. The sentences are also expected to vary as far as both the victims’ and the suspects’ ages are concerned.


7)Have there been any problems in the process?

Yes, there are. Since the old law will be in force until the new one comes out, there is no legal loophole at first glance. But an unavoidable consequence of the Constitutional Court’s decision is that the local court will suspend such cases until new regulation is implemented. The sources said courts tend to wait for the new law. In this situation, cases regarding the children’s sexual abuse will be suspended for a while.


8)Could the misunderstanding have been prevented?


It is obvious that there was a serious communication problem in the explanation of the Constitutional Court’s decision. Although there were no loopholes with the decision, the fact that this situation was not expressed well enough led to a misperception of the article that was written in a very technical legal language. Effective communication through the Constitutional Court or by the government when the decision was taken could have alleviated the misunderstandings. When the court made its explanation last Monday, it was too late. So it would not be wrong to say that the perception that emerged in the Europe was mostly based on misinformation.

August/18/2016
That statement is not clear in itself.
It also seems to say sex with kid of 13 years should be treated differently
than sex with a kid of lets say 9 years old, and that is what this row is all about.
 
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Nope,I'm quite relaxed.You're probably a gypsie to as you brought them in Europe and most stayed in Anatolia but you mixed with them like you did with other populations,we,being "racists",not so much.So,don't beat your pretty little turk head about it,you're a gypsie to.Cheers.
If makes it easier to go to your minimum wage job sure. If the dreams of dogs were to be reality then it would rain bones:rofl:
 
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I'd rather be a Kurd or a Greek than be a gypsy. You are too salty for a ex-vilayet, Turkey is beyond your reach...now you cry me a river:lol:


Well when the EU allows terrorist PKK leaders to speak to the public in Germany then why shouldn't the president of Turkey address 3 million ethnic Turks. You can't have it both ways. Be consistent and I'd respect you.


The german government allows who speaks in germany. They allowed PKK and denied Erdogan. Case close. Turkey has no right to mingle into german affairs. You said it yourself.

Erdogan caleld Italy to extradict Gulenists to turkey. Who he think he is? Thats an insult against italy. Of course we will not allow this to happen.

I´m consistent. You respect Forza Italia? We give a shit whats going on Turkey. I dont care if you torture, kill or arrest. I dont care if you install death penalty. Not my country. Not my business.

And i expect the same when we topple refugee boats, use stranded refugees as workers in the fields.
 
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The german government allows who speaks in germany. They allowed PKK and denied Erdogan. Case close. Turkey has no right to mingle into german affairs. You said it yourself.

Erdogan caleld Italy to extradict Gulenists to turkey. Who he think he is? Thats an insult against italy. Of course we will not allow this to happen.

I´m consistent. You respect Forza Italia? We give a shit whats going on Turkey. I dont care if you torture, kill or arrest. I dont care if you install death penalty. Not my country. Not my business.

And i expect the same when we topple refugee boats, use stranded refugees as workers in the fields.
But by allowing the PKK to speak in Germany the government is interfering in Turkish affairs as the PKK is an Organization who's main goal is to destroy the Turkish Republic. As for the Gulenists, again by hosting and protecting a group of people bent on toppling the legitimate government of Turkey you are directly interfering with Turkish affairs.

As for refugees....I don't give a single damn. Atleast here you can I can agree
 
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But by allowing the PKK to speak in Germany the government is interfering in Turkish affairs as the PKK is an Organization who's main goal is to destroy the Turkish Republic. As for the Gulenists, again by hosting and protecting a group of people bent on toppling the legitimate government of Turkey you are directly interfering with Turkish affairs.

As for refugees....I don't give a single damn. Atleast here you can I can agree


Its our affairs when they are in italy. What do you expect to happen? You want them. And? You think we give them for nothing? Offer something of value. Thats how deals are done.

I give a shit about Gulenists. But you seriously believe we give them to turkey just when it asks?

We made excellent deals with Gaddafi and we could do same with turkey. But under real conditions.

So let us turn the roles...if you would be italian PM and Erdogan shouts italy must extradict Gulenists...

Would you do it? When you are proud. Stand for your nations interests ect?
 
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Its our affairs when they are in italy. What do you expect to happen? You want them. And? You think we give them for nothing? Offer something of value. Thats how deals are done.

I give a shit about Gulenists. But you seriously believe we give them to turkey just when it asks?

We made excellent deals with Gaddafi and we could do same with turkey. But under real conditions.

So let us turn the roles...if you would be italian PM and Erdogan shouts italy must extradict Gulenists...

Would you do it? When you are proud. Stand for your nations interests ect?
First off we don't shout, we send documents and prepare them according to international standards that all serious countries are party of. If there are proven Gulenists in Italy then extradition requests will be sent containing evidence of their terror acts and the files will be prepared to international norms. If the government of Italy, assuming the evidence is credible and stands up to international norms, refuses to extradite the suspects then it means Italy supports terrorists. We will see how it goes. I also added some further reading for you when it comes to legal mechanisms regarding extradition requests, please read it:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...ulen.aspx?PageID=238&NID=102912&NewsCatID=409

As for Gadaffi...we see how it ended for him making superficial, stupid and medieval deals that have no solid legal underpinning. Don't compare Libya to Turkey, that'd be a mistake
 
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How do you explain that we see it direct oppossite? You think only our side is to blame?

Markuss, do you believe that any country on the world, would legalize rape against babies in it's constitution ?

That's what Swedish prime minister and foreign minister says.... it's either pure stupidity or bad intentions....not misunderstanding.
 
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First off we don't shout, we send documents and prepare them according to international standards that all serious countries are party of. If there are proven Gulenists in Italy then extradition requests will be sent containing evidence of their terror acts and the files will be prepared to international norms. If the government of Italy, assuming the evidence is credible and stands up to international norms, refuses to extradite the suspects then it means Italy supports terrorists. We will see how it goes. I also added some further reading for you when it comes to legal mechanisms regarding extradition requests, please read it:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...ulen.aspx?PageID=238&NID=102912&NewsCatID=409

As for Gadaffi...we see how it ended for him making superficial, stupid and medieval deals that have no solid legal underpinning. Don't compare Libya to Turkey, that'd be a mistake

Unfortunately your president is a very easy minded person who talks with us like with a farmer boy on a market. He uses a language unacceptable for such talks. We may agree that no man of honor would react when he is treated like that.
The rest is the norm yes.

Markuss, do you believe that any country on the world, would legalize rape against babies in it's constitution ?

That's what Swedish prime minister and foreign minister says.... it's either pure stupidity or bad intentions....not misunderstanding.

no i dont believe it that ny country would do this.
 
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Markuss, do you believe that any country on the world, would legalize rape against babies in it's constitution ?

That's what Swedish prime minister and foreign minister says.... it's either pure stupidity or bad intentions....not misunderstanding.

No it is the result if beeing unclear.
You are bound to get different interpretations of your intentions.
 
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No it is the result if beeing unclear.
You are bound to get different interpretations of your intentions.
Yeah, yeah, keep believing that we will legalize rape against babies and keep tweeting about it.

It's "freedom of speech".
 
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Yeah, yeah, keep believing that we will legalize rape against babies and keep tweeting about it.

It's "freedom of speech".

@Sinan

do you think the way your president talks towards our leader is how it should be done? Like saying italian judges should concentrate on mafia and not his son...

You can undertand why the only reaction italy showed was an ironic comment towards Erdogan?

And i would appreciate a honest answer
 
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@Sinan

do you think the way your president talks towards our leader is how it should be done? Like saying italian judges should concentrate on mafia and not his son...

You can undertand why the only reaction italy showed was an ironic comment towards Erdogan?

And i would appreciate a honest answer
Okay, an honest answer.

He doesn't behave and talk like a statesman in my eyes. His choice of words have never been elegant. He is talking like, he is in a Turkish cafe and talking to his buddies.

Yet......to give an example. He never talks to let's say Azerbaijan, other Turkic countries, Pakistan, etc...like they way he does to European countries.

Regarding this "Italian judges should concentrate on mafia"......Maybe you don't know but there is some injustice done by the Italian courts. Let me give you a background.

Cem Uzan, a owner of former Turkish giant conglomerate. He swindled lot's Turkish people, siphoned the money in his own bank, swindled motorola, etc....State took over his bank and his possessions. (After then he tried to be a political party leader), kind of a mafia. Than he run to France. This guy, when he hears presidents son is in Italy, he goes to Italian judges and says Bilal Erdoğan is laundering black money.

Now the interesting part is there is no sound investigation, no evidence....just the complain of Cem Uzan.....yet the Italian judge warrants an arrest notice for Bilal Erdoğan (bribe of the Italian judge by Cem Uzan ??? )

Markuss now let me ask question....what do you think about this 2 google searches ?

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