Turkey lashes out at Swedish FM, Austria over ‘defamation’

[MarkusS]

Okay, an honest answer.

He doesn't behave and talk like a statesman in my eyes. His choice of words have never been elegant. He is talking like, he is in a Turkish cafe and talking to his buddies.

Yet......to give an example. He never talks to let's say Azerbaijan, other Turkic countries, Pakistan, etc...like they way he does to European countries.

Regarding this "Italian judges should concentrate on mafia"......Maybe you don't know but there is some injustice done by the Italian courts. Let me give you a background.

Cem Uzan, a owner of former Turkish giant conglomerate. He swindled lot's Turkish people, siphoned the money in his own bank, swindled motorola, etc....State took over his bank and his possessions. (After then he tried to be a political party leader), kind of a mafia. Than he run to France. This guy, when he hears presidents son is in Italy, he goes to Italian judges and says Bilal Erdoğan is laundering black money.

Now the interesting part is there is no sound investigation, no evidence....just the complain of Cem Uzan.....yet the Italian judge warrants an arrest notice for Bilal Erdoğan (bribe of the Italian judge by Cem Uzan ??? )

Markuss now let me ask question....what do you think about this 2 google searches ?

i give you a honest answer too. I think only a nationalist can understand another nationalist...i do understand that there is alot of fire between european countries and turkey for many reasons and your google search shows this too.

If roles would be reversed i would be very unhappy if italy would have a coup and nobody cares. I would also be unhappy to read nonstop such stories like its allowed to rape children.

we are in a spiral downwards. We insult you, you insult us. It has come to the point where no one can break this cycle without losing face.

I give you an example...i know turkey is very disappointed that no european leader visited after the coup. Erdogan says in public that he is disappointed and so on.

I understand this and it propably was a mistake. But what now?

Your people feel insulted and angry when nobody comes and here it would be seen as a kneefall towards Erdogan. Both sides dont talk with each other but about each other.

Italy would have no problem to give Turkey gulen members or PKK. We have a law that allows this. But Erdogan makes it impossible. As yousaid yoursel, he talks with us like with a buddy in the cafe and it feels respectless.

As for our courts...im not into the details of this case but let me tell you im almost certain the judge got not bribed. Our courts are unpredictable. We have a chaotic justice system. When you are infront court you are like on high seas. Many in italy believe we need a justice reformation.

I believe what would be needed is to sit down behind closed doors and talk about the problems we have with each other. Those public insults lead to nothing.

I understand you want this visa deal. But i hope you too understand that many people here are worried because of tjis for many reasons. They fear that large amounts of kurds come, that islamists swep in from syria or iraq. Those are legit fears Sinan. On the other side i understand that turkey feels betrayed when we diest say ok, the. maybe and now tend towards no.

I would be disappointed too if italy would be treated that way. But when your government threatens to send refugees it has an effect. A negative effect because people get protective.

 

[-SINAN-]

i give you a honest answer too. I think only a nationalist can understand another nationalist...i do understand that there is alot of fire between european countries and turkey for many reasons and your google search shows this too.

If roles would be reversed i would be very unhappy if italy would have a coup and nobody cares. I would also be unhappy to read nonstop such stories like its allowed to rape children.

we are in a spiral downwards. We insult you, you insult us. It has come to the point where no one can break this cycle without losing face.

I give you an example...i know turkey is very disappointed that no european leader visited after the coup. Erdogan says in public that he is disappointed and so on.

I understand this and it propably was a mistake. But what now?

Your people feel insulted and angry when nobody comes and here it would be seen as a kneefall towards Erdogan. Both sides dont talk with each other but about each other.

Italy would have no problem to give Turkey gulen members or PKK. We have a law that allows this. But Erdogan makes it impossible. As yousaid yoursel, he talks with us like with a buddy in the cafe and it feels respectless.

As for our courts...im not into the details of this case but let me tell you im almost certain the judge got not bribed. Our courts are unpredictable. We have a chaotic justice system. When you are infront court you are like on high seas. Many in italy believe we need a justice reformation.

I believe what would be needed is to sit down behind closed doors and talk about the problems we have with each other. Those public insults lead to nothing.

I understand you want this visa deal. But i hope you too understand that many people here are worried because of tjis for many reasons. They fear that large amounts of kurds come, that islamists swep in from syria or iraq. Those are legit fears Sinan. On the other side i understand that turkey feels betrayed when we diest say ok, the. maybe and now tend towards no.

I would be disappointed too if italy would be treated that way. But when your government threatens to send refugees it has an effect. A negative effect because people get protective.

I don't know why visa deal is "important" for us......or is it really given importance by state officials. What would change in terms of Turkey ? I don't know.

I believe nothing will change even if we talk behind the closed doors.

I believe the problems we have with Europe because of the refugee deal. Refugee deal is breaking because of the free visa deal. Free visa deal is breaking down because of Turkey's terror laws.

Now the thing is.......let's take Austria for example, member of EU, have no hostile states around it, have no terror acts.....the biggest problem they might face is the kitten that stranded in a tree.

When you look at Turket, we have hostilities with Greece, Armenia, Russia, our neighbors are Syria, Iraq, Iran. We deal DHKP-C, ISIS, PKK, PDY, PYD terrorists..... and under these circumstances....we can't change our terror laws. It's obvious.

More over we can't expect EU to change it's laws, rules, for us. EU is your club, and your rules. It's not fit for us. So, relations of EU-Turkey bound to deteriorate. No talk or no political act can change this.

If we can get rid all the terror in Turkey and make-up with the hostile states, only then we can change our laws to match EU laws.

From what i understood from our PM's statements....Turkey won't abandon it's relationship with US and EU.....but gonna seek and establish better relationship with Russia and the Eastern bloc. After the coup Erdoğan's first official visit was to Russia, now PM's first official visit will be to Iran.