Kedikesenfare2
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Determine lands, islands and seas?
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Determine lands, islands and seas?
Actually you are badly informed,USA,EU and international law is on Greece's side. China and Russia support us on this matter as well.US, NATO, EU, Russia, China and the entire world supports Turkish position. No body cares about Greek's opinion on this matter.
Are you saying that the entirety of Greece,should be Turkish and that it's "under occupation"?
All of Greece is Turkish.....
Which islands and with what condition?Greece on the other hand is not only actively occupying islands that rightfully belong to Turkiye.
Again the same, every Turk must repeat the same and we respond appropriately.....They even break international treaties and agreements, building up military so close to our mainland that we can see it with the naked eye standing on the Turkish shore.
Ok,first things first:Greece on the other hand is not only actively occupying islands that rightfully belong to Turkiye.
Now back to the 20th century. Why Greece is actually NOT breaking any treaties. I'll post it again,just in case you guys can get it in your heads:They even break international treaties and agreements, building up military so close to our mainland that we can see it with the naked eye standing on the Turkish shore.
It's an expansionist propaganda. Your interests and aims,conflict with ours. You can't use two different methods to declare EEZ.The concept of Mavi Vatan Blue Homeland is a doctrine covering the maritime jurisdiction areas (territorial waters, continental shelf and exclusive economic zone) declared by the Republic of Turkiye in the Black Sea, Mediterranean and Aegean; And In essence, it is an understanding that aims to increase the Turkish nation's interest in the seas and aims to advance our maritime.
You are talking for a doctrine that covering the maritime jurisdiction areas (territorial waters, continental shelf and exclusive economic zone).The concept of Mavi Vatan Blue Homeland is a doctrine covering the maritime jurisdiction areas (territorial waters, continental shelf and exclusive economic zone) declared by the Republic of Turkiye in the Black Sea, Mediterranean and Aegean; And In essence, it is an understanding that aims to increase the Turkish nation's interest in the seas and aims to advance our maritime.
Maps put forward in relation to the concept of the Blue Homeland respect and do not conflict with the 6-mile territorial sea of the Greek islands and the airspace of the Greek state.
Sorry, dude but...Ok,first things first:
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Greece is not occupying any "Turkish" islands. And if you want to look at it historically,every single one of these islands and the coast of Asia Minor had been inhabited by Greeks for thousands of years. Way before the Seljuks even reached Caucasus. And had been inhabited by Greeks,until 1923 and onwards.
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Now back to the 20th century. Why Greece is actually NOT breaking any treaties. I'll post it again,just in case you guys can get it in your heads:
The demilitarization of the Greek islands of Limnos and Samothrace along with the demilitarization of the Dardanelles, the Sea of Marmara and the Bosporus, and the Turkish Imbros (Gokceada), Tenedos (Bozcaada) and Rabbit Islands (Tavcan), was originally provided for in the 1923 Lausanne Treaty on the Straits. This was annulled by the 1936 Montreux Treaty, which, as it categorically stated in its preamble, replaced in its entirety the aforementioned Lausanne Treaty.
Greece’s right to militarise Limnos and Samothrace was recognized by Turkey, in accordance with the letter sent to the Greek Prime Minister on 6 May 1936 by the Turkish Ambassador in Athens at the time, Roussen Esref, upon instructions from his Government. The Turkish government reiterated this position when the then Turkish Minister for Foreign Affairs, Rustu Aras, in his address to the Turkish National Assembly on the occasion of the ratification of the Montreux Treaty, unreservedly recognized Greece’s legal right to deploy troops on Limnos and Samothrace, with the following statement : “The provisions pertaining to the islands of Limnos and Samothrace, which belong to our neighbor and friendly country Greece and were demilitarized in application of the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, were also abolished by the new Montreux Treaty, which gives us great pleasure” (Gazette of the Minutes of the Turkish National Assembly, volume 12, July 31/1936, page 309). During the same period, Turkey gave similar assurances on this subject to the governments of interested third countries.
The status of Mytilene, Chios, Samos and Ikaria
The Lausanne Treaty makes no mention of these islands having been granted demilitarized status.
The Greek government simply commits to not establishing naval bases or fortifications there in accordance with Article 13 of the Treaty. More specifically, this article specifies that :
“With a view to ensuring the maintenance of peace, the Greek Government undertakes to observe the following restrictions in the islands of Mytilene, Chios, Samos and Nikaria:
• No naval base and no fortification will be established in the said islands.
• Greek military aircraft will be forbidden to fly over the territory of the Anatolian coast. Reciprocally, the Turkish Government will forbid their military aircraft to fly over the said islands.
• The Greek military forces in the said islands will be limited to the normal contingent called up for military service, which can be trained on the spot, as well as to a force of gendarmerie and police in proportion to the force of gendarmerie and police existing in the whole of the Greek territory”.
The Dodecanese islands were ceded to Greece in full sovereignty by the Paris Peace Treaty between Italy and the Allies in April 1947. The provisions of this Treaty provided for the demilitarization of these islands: “The above islands shall be demilitarized and shall remain so”. There is a National Guard presence on the Dodecanese islands, which has been declared in accordance with CFE provisions.
With regard to Turkish claims on the demilitarization of the Dodecanese islands, it should be noted that:
• Turkey is not a signatory state to this Treaty, which therefore constitutes a "res inter alios acta" for Turkey; i.e., an issue pertaining to others. According to Article 34 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a treaty does not create obligations or rights for third countries.
• The demilitarized status of the Dodecanese islands was imposed after the decisive intervention of the Soviet Union and echoes Moscow’s political intentions at that point in time. It should, however, be noted that demilitarized status lost its raison d’être with the creation of NATO and the Warsaw Pact, as incompatible with countries’ participation in military alliances. Against this backdrop, demilitarized status ceased to apply to the Italian islands of Pantelaria, Lampedusa, Lampione and Linosa, as well as to West Germany on the one hand and Bulgaria, Romania, East Germany, Hungary and Finland on the other.
Now,tell me @Kedikesenfare2 are you actually afraid of Greece? Are you afraid that Greece will invade Turkey from the islands? Enough with this hypocrisy. You know very well,that we have no intention and capability to invade Turkey.
And you know very well,that you have heavy forces on the coast of Asia Minor and with all the talk about islands and EEZ,that only makes it logical for us to want to maintain even these small garissons.
It's an expansionist propaganda. Your interests and aims,conflict with ours. You can't use two different methods to declare EEZ.
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When I hear Erdogan,Akar and Cavusoglu say that Greece needs to "demilitarize the islands" it's like Stalin asking Finland to give land to the USSR because "it threatened Leningrad" and Hitler demanding Lebensraum.
That's your trash arguement? That's all you can reply? Hadi,go watch Ertuğrul then.Sorry, dude but...
Modern Greeks ≠ Ancient Greeks
Genetically speaking, you're having zilch in common with the Greek population of the ancient times.
I know it hurts your feelings but it's true. There's no genetical evidence that connects modern-day Greeks with the ancient population of Greece/Asia Minor. You're living a lie. Sorry.That's your trash arguement? That's all you can reply? Hadi,go watch Ertuğrul then.
Half my lineage is from Asia Minor and the other half from Peloponesse. All Greeks.I know it hurts your feelings but it's true. There's no genetical evidence that connects modern-day Greeks with the ancient population of Greece/Asia Minor. You're living a lie. Sorry.
Sorry, dude but...
Modern Greeks ≠ Ancient Greeks
Genetically speaking, you're having zilch in common with the Greek population of the ancient times.