Turkey, Iran defy Iraq’s sovereignty in seemingly coordinated strikes

[Muhammed45]

'Caesar' is nickname for some Syrian guy who wanted to remain anonymous:

This bill is named after an individual known as Caesar, who documented torture against civilians by Assad's government, which was verified to become known as the 2014 Syrian detainee report or Caesar Report. Human Rights Watch (HRW) further investigated this report, and produced an additional report titled If the Dead Could Speak. Photographic evidence from the 2014 Syrian detainee report has been on display at the United States Holocaust Museum and at the United Nations.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_Syria_Civilian_Protection_Act

OH boy, the super Human Rights champion USA which is killing its own citizens is worried about Safety of Syrian people.

Looks legit, Americans are number 1 in making stories out of nowhere but at least thanks for informing us about this new duplication.

 

[Falcon29]

Yes, yes. They "overwhelmingly support" Palestinians by normalizing their relations with Israel. I think rain raises from the ground to the sky in your world.

This discussion is not about Palestinians, and I don't base my views off what is done or isn't done for Palestinians. There is a lot more that interests me than Palestinians. For you though, UAE which makes up 2% of Arabs represents whole Arab people. And irregardless of your argument, I'm not pro-Arab regime as I've made that blatantly obvious many times. I cannot support establishing an Islamic state and support pro-Arab regimes. I believe in establishing Islamic state and disassociating with Iran. What Iran people want to do with themselves at that point is their business. We don't have interest in your land , people or country.

 

[QWECXZ]

This discussion is not about Palestinians, and I don't base my views off what is done or isn't done for Palestinians. There is a lot more that interests me than Palestinians. For you though, UAE which makes up 2% of Arabs represents whole Arab people. And irregardless of your argument, I'm not pro-Arab regime as I've made that blatantly obvious many times. I cannot support establishing an Islamic state and support pro-Arab regimes. I believe in establishing Islamic state and disassociating with Iran. What Iran people want to do with themselves at that point is their business. We don't have interest in your land , people or country.

Yeah, it turns out what you have in mind as "the Islamic state disassociating with Iran" ruled over some parts of Syria and Iraq for a while. It was called the ISIS. And guess what? It was defeated.

This discussion wasn't about Iran's relations with our neighbors or Syria either, but you brought it up. Funny that you pretend to be a Godly man who has no interest in Iran, but at the same time criticize Iran while your fellow Palestinians revolted and tried to raise against the Jordanian royalty which had given them shelter. At the end it granted you nothing but to get kicked out of Jordan. The list of your friendly behaviors towards your neighbors does not end there though. And I'm sure you know it well.

 

[Muhammed45]

Guys this troll is propaganda Machine of USA. Look How fast he was to Cover the Truth about true intentions of USA in meddling in Middle eastern affairs.

He has a mission in this forum and the background of his posts is safeguarding Israeli interests. Read his quotes and see by your own eyes that the only thing supported in his statements is Israeli interests

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You know What bro, USA has called sanctioning of Iran and Syria in newly introduced plan to Senate the 'Cesar' pact. Do you have any idea What massages they are delivering by that name? Its Just a simple name but carries lots of massages within. Historically Iranian empires have always been fighting Western Powers over Mediteranean Region.

In this conflict, we are Islamic Republic and they as George Bush stated are Crusading and coming for Muslims. So, anyone trying to undermine Syrian integrity, be it Kurd, Shia, Sunni, Arab, Ajam, they will have same fate as ISIS.

I am opposed to sanctions which will hurt Iranian civilians most of all. Our government has been consistent with that, same as Turkey.

Yes, your founding was admirable as was Khomeini himself and I am a fan of Ahmedi Nejad also, but it seems he is sidelined now. He was a very moderate and positive voice in the Muslim world. I won't rule out that Iran will change in the future, because we have seem Iran do 180 changes when necessary.

However today we are dealing with a unique situation where three Islamic Republics: Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are against each other. How do you explain that? Moniker is meaningless if the policies are not in favor of Muslims outside and inside that Islamic nation. Islamic governments are ideological states which should be a source of good for the Muslim world and not a source of oppression.

Unfortunately we have to deal with Iranian reality today on our borders and not some idealized, romanticized one of the past.

Pakistan economy, political cohesion, military strength, and geopolitical importance is on the upturn. Iran will find a more bold and confident Pakistan next door, so question remains, will it still host Indian terrorism or back away and usher an era of friendship with Pakistan.

Guys this troll is propaganda Machine of USA. Look How fast he was to Cover the Truth about true intentions of USA in meddling in Middle eastern affairs.

He has a mission in this forum and the background of his posts is safeguarding Israeli interests. Read his quotes and see by your own eyes that the only thing supported in his statements is Israeli interests

Arabs have genuine grievances with Iran. Pakistan also has genuine grievances.

Better you learn to listen, otherwise you may face a whole coalition of countries from Afghanistan, Turkey, KSA, Pakistan, UAE, Azerbaijan, and rest of GCC against Iran.

 

[Falcon29]

Yeah, it turns out what you have in mind as "the Islamic state disassociating with Iran" ruled over some parts of Syria and Iraq for a while. It was called the ISIS. And guess what? It was defeated.

This discussion wasn't about Iran's relations with our neighbors or Syria either, but you brought it up. Funny that you pretend to be a Godly man who has no interest in Iran, but at the same time criticize Iran while your fellow Palestinians revolted and tried to raise against the Jordanian royalty which had given them shelter. At the end it granted you nothing but to get the boot by the Jordanians. The list of your friendly behaviors towards your neighbors does not end there though. And I'm sure you know it well.

ISIS as a small militia of uneducated irreligious hypocrites. They are not qualified in any shape or form to form an Islamic state nor received support from anyone to do so. Forming Islamic state doesn't require breaking down society or oppressing people or losing love for history and identity. So I don't think you understand what it means to be religious in Islam nor do you have commitment to God or confidence to establish Islam. The major change you would see in Islamic state is encouragement of worshiping God and ending unnecessary conflicts and innovations. Otherwise it does not look that different from nation states in form and function.

I am a normal man by the way, it's standard for Muslims to make sure they are remembering their Lord and worshiping him. This does not require to be 'Godly' person. Before we were created all of us met our Lord but nowadays most of us afraid to worship him.

 

[Muhammed45]

However today we are dealing with a unique situation where three Islamic Republics: Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are against each other. How do you explain that? Moniker is meaningless if the policies are not in favor of Muslims outside and inside that Islamic nation. Islamic governments are ideological states which should be a source of good for the Muslim world and not a source of oppression

The biggest problems in our relations is USA. We were going to feed Gwadar with natural gas and hence indirectly empowering PAK civilians econimical Wise. Same in case of Afghans.
There is no Indian collaboration With Iran. Its as bullshit as a flying pig lmao.

 

[QWECXZ]

ISIS as a small militia of uneducated irreligious hypocrites. They are not qualified in any shape or form to form an Islamic state nor received support from anyone to do so. Forming Islamic state doesn't require breaking down society or oppressing people or losing love for history and identity. So I don't think you understand what it means to be religious in Islam nor do you have commitment to God or confidence to establish Islam. The major change you would see in Islamic state is encouragement of worshiping God and ending unnecessary conflicts and innovations. Otherwise it does not look that different from nation states in form and function.

Yeah, OK. So you're like a Palestinian Muslim version of an Amish guy or whatever. Nevertheless, please don't forget to mention me on PDF when that has happened. lol

 

[Muhammed45]

I am opposed to sanctions which will hurt Iranian civilians most of all. Our government has been consistent with that, same as Turkey.

Yes, your founding was admirable as was Khomeini himself and I am a fan of Ahmedi Nejad also, but it seems he is sidelined now. He was a very moderate and positive voice in the Muslim world. I won't rule out that Iran will change in the future, because we have seem Iran do 180 changes when necessary.

However today we are dealing with a unique situation where three Islamic Republics: Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are against each other. How do you explain that? Moniker is meaningless if the policies are not in favor of Muslims outside and inside that Islamic nation. Islamic governments are ideological states which should be a source of good for the Muslim world and not a source of oppression.

Unfortunately we have to deal with Iranian reality today on our borders and not some idealized, romanticized one of the past.

Pakistan economy, political cohesion, military strength, and geopolitical importance is on the upturn. Iran will find a more bold and confident Pakistan next door, so question remains, will it still host Indian terrorism or back away and usher an era of friendship with Pakistan.



Arabs have genuine grievances with Iran. Pakistan also has genuine grievances.

Better you learn to listen, otherwise you may face a whole coalition of countries from Afghanistan, Turkey, KSA, Pakistan, UAE, Azerbaijan, and rest of GCC against Iran.

Know for sure, we are not afraid of multiple fronts. But we will try for friendship with our Muslim neighbors.
That troll has been collecting ISIS supporters in social media. I know him well. Go though his comments to see it yourself.

 

[Falcon29]

Yeah, OK. So you're like a Palestinian Muslim version of an Amish guy or whatever. Nevertheless, please don't forget to mention me on PDF when that has happened. lol

You don't need me for anything, if people have thought and behavior revolution in the ME, you will see it for yourself. That's what will form an Islamic state, a thought and behavior revolution. You are basing your understanding of Islam based off some angry young militants in war ridden nations. So it's not surprising to see you think of Islamic state as being anti-education, anti-innovation, anti-technology, anti-freedom and so on.

 

[QWECXZ]

You don't need me for anything, if people have thought and behavior revolution in the ME, you will see it for yourself. That's what will form an Islamic state, a thought and behavior revolution. You are basing your understanding of Islam based off some angry young militants in war ridden nations. So it's not surprising to see you think of Islamic state as being anti-education, anti-innovation, anti-technology, anti-freedom and so on.

Nah, I'm just saying that if such a thing ever happened, I will be more than happy and willing to participate in any and all discussions about it. So, please do mention me on PDF when that has happened.

 

[Dariush the Great]

Nah, I'm just saying that if such a thing ever happened, I will be more than happy and willing to participate in any and all discussions about it. So, please do mention me on PDF when that has happened.

mikhad khodesho monfajer kone

 

[Falcon29]

Nah, I'm just saying that if such a thing ever happened, I will be more than happy and willing to participate in any and all discussions about it. So, please do mention me on PDF when that has happened.

It's already happening, the regimes in the region are standing on one leg while the people are contemplating about how to strive for change. In the process they are shuffling through lots of ideas and ideologies, they will keep filtering more and more ideas out until they fall back into Islam and worship of the Lord.

 

[mangekyo]

You don't need me for anything, if people have thought and behavior revolution in the ME, you will see it for yourself. That's what will form an Islamic state, a thought and behavior revolution. You are basing your understanding of Islam based off some angry young militants in war ridden nations. So it's not surprising to see you think of Islamic state as being anti-education, anti-innovation, anti-technology, anti-freedom and so on.

Will there be room for other religions and sects in your vision for "Islamic State" or will only Sunni Islam be tolerated?

 

[Falcon29]

Will there be room for other religions and sects in your vision for "Islamic State" or will only Sunni Islam be tolerated?

I don't have a 'vision', God introduced Islam us to us and provided us with Prophet Mohammed who taught us how to obey the Lord and make Islam a lifestyle for us. Without the Lord and his messenger, we wouldn't know the truth or be guided to it. You cannot be guided to the truth by reading the Quran or hadeeths like a manual. You have to be guided to them by God by taking steps towards him. He will then grant you the guidance. ISIS reads Quran and hadeeths like an instruction manual and think everything will fall in place if you follow instructions. It does not work like this.

There are many Muslims sects, schools of thought within Muslim world and this includes Sunni Muslim world as well. It's entirely possible for all tribes and sects to live under Islamic state without trouble. Muslims will have different approaches to worshiping God and different judgements on certain matters. That will never change. The problem is with people(of any sect) who have aims that don't serve God. They naturally will cause division because God told humans you will not prevail nor be guided by your own worldy ideologies and aims. Especially if you are Muslim, as the Prophet made prayers that God never allow us to go astray and God accepted his prayer so God will always push us back into place through various means.