TuAF Alternative to F-35?

[Glass]

su 57 isnt really what turkey needs. Its a waste of money.

 

[Mrc]

Join forces with friendly countries and we will have a beast of stealth fighter... It will take some time but it will also give u independence..

Not doing any thing would be wrong thing to do here

 

[Killuminati]

su 57 isnt really what turkey needs. Its a waste of money.

Its almost impossible to. The entire system of the fighter must meet NATO standards, otherwise you cannot integrate any weapon or system on it. Communication will be impossible. Then you have to develop new weapons or stay dependent on Russian weapons. This means a lot of money and effort.

 

[Microsoft]

Join forces with friendly countries and we will have a beast of stealth fighter... It will take some time but it will also give u independence..

Not doing any thing would be wrong thing to do here

Said it before and I'll say it again Iran, Pakistan, Turkey should work on stand alone platform for 5th gen. fighter. These three can do it and it will be beneficial for all 3 with no strings attached.

 

[Rogue1]

I think that the SU57 has suffered a lot from misinformation. Who is it that sets the principles of what a 5th Generation or 6th Generation fighter should be? America went down the stealth road, and the Russians went down another. Who is to say who is right but I remember when that amazing looking F117 was shot down over the balkans, And where is it today?
I also remember the story as a child 'the emperors new clothes.'
So every 5th generation program seems to be producing concepts that look pretty much like the Raptor, but the SU57 is different in the sense that it has evolved from a proven fighter jet series.
And using the Indians as examples of not buying it doesn't mean its a bad jet. The Indians buy from whoever gives the best kickbacks. Like buying a Ferrari with a ford engine. Looks good for the public but performance is very poor.

And what is the role for Turkeys next fighter. Who will it be used against? That is the important question. Who does Turkey need to be protected from the most? That is what the selection for the next fighter jet should revolve around.

 

[Timur]

no more time for FETO member like you

I have no intention to talk with a stonehead.. You and your feto are equal minded people stoneheads how fast you forget all the speeches of Erdogan its easy to say feto feto feto and not NATO NATO NATO

 

[zectech]

Y

You sound like @undertakerwwefan

I miss him. That said, both users are very different.

 

[OldTwilight]

I think that the SU57 has suffered a lot from misinformation. Who is it that sets the principles of what a 5th Generation or 6th Generation fighter should be? America went down the stealth road, and the Russians went down another. Who is to say who is right but I remember when that amazing looking F117 was shot down over the balkans, And where is it today?
I also remember the story as a child 'the emperors new clothes.'
So every 5th generation program seems to be producing concepts that look pretty much like the Raptor, but the SU57 is different in the sense that it has evolved from a proven fighter jet series.
And using the Indians as examples of not buying it doesn't mean its a bad jet. The Indians buy from whoever gives the best kickbacks. Like buying a Ferrari with a ford engine. Looks good for the public but performance is very poor.

And what is the role for Turkeys next fighter. Who will it be used against? That is the important question. Who does Turkey need to be protected from the most? That is what the selection for the next fighter jet should revolve around.

Russians in first attempt tried to use Plasma as stealth technology which they could make but has some serious negative effect on the plan ( like killing the pilot and messing with radar !!! )

lost time I checked , they were using some sort of plasma cover ( coating / layer -- ) on their hyper sonic missiles which I suspect is have some relation with their previous R&D on plasma technology for stealth coating ...

so they used the knowledge in other fields ....

 

[Rogue1]

The US not wanting a country having both S400 and F35 says a lot. It has a little to do with sanctions on Russia but its mostly to do with being able to find the radar signature of the jets. In other words, you know exactly when your jets take off and land, and then pair them with the readings of the s400 radars. So you can fine tune the radars to be able to track the f35s wether they are yours or not. Now the problem is not Russia getting the information because Russia will only have the radar information from the s400, which is no different from it having the s400 in Syria for example (or any radar within proximity to the jets like on a ship for instance). They cannot get all the flight information from the radar on the F35. But Turkey will have both the flight information and also a radar that has the ability to track the jets if fine tuned with the right information. In other words telling the s400 radar what to look for.

The problem is Turkey being able to track non Turkish F35s....

 

[Timur]

The US not wanting a country having both S400 and F35 says a lot. It has a little to do with sanctions on Russia but its mostly to do with being able to find the radar signature of the jets. In other words, you know exactly when your jets take off and land, and then pair them with the readings of the s400 radars. So you can fine tune the radars to be able to track the f35s wether they are yours or not. Now the problem is not Russia getting the information because Russia will only have the radar information from the s400, which is no different from it having the s400 in Syria for example (or any radar within proximity to the jets like on a ship for instance). They cannot get all the flight information from the radar on the F35. But Turkey will have both the flight information and also a radar that has the ability to track the jets if fine tuned with the right information. In other words telling the s400 radar what to look for.

The problem is Turkey being able to track non Turkish F35s....

If so then we could also fine tune our radars to track non turkish F-35 and all other F-35 user who can build radars could do the same and our own Sam's would be able to do so does this mean we would never ever get F-35 because we could build a own F-35 killer sam?

 

[Rogue1]

Washington has repeatedly cautioned Turkey against the purchase of the S-400, warning it might be used to covertly obtain critical information on the F-35, including its detection range, which could then be relayed to Russia.

If so then we could also fine tune our radars to track non turkish F-35 and all other F-35 user who can build radars could do the same and our own Sam's would be able to do so does this mean we would never ever get F-35 because we could build a own F-35 killer sam?

Well that's the excuse the Yanks are now using:
"Washington has repeatedly cautioned Turkey against the purchase of the S-400, warning it might be used to covertly obtain critical information on the F-35, including its detection range, which could then be relayed to Russia."

Perhaps only S400 has the capability to do so.

 

[MMM-E]

I have no intention to talk with a stonehead.. You and your feto are equal minded people stoneheads how fast you forget all the speeches of Erdogan its easy to say feto feto feto and not NATO NATO NATO

and I have no intention to talk with a zombiehead ... I am saying again

the US backed FETO pilots shot down Russian Fighter Jet to destroy relationship between Turkey and Russia
the US backed FETO police killed Russian ambassador to Turkey to destroy relationship between Turkey and Russia

if ERDOGAN would be destroyed by the US backed FETO , then Turkey would never enter Syria to block the US backed PKK/YPG terror corridor


ERDOGAN first kicked the US backed FETO terror organization , afterwards Turkish Army entered Syria and blocked the US backed PKK/YPG terror corridor in N.Syria


no more time for FETO member like you

coordination with Russia Turkey did military operations in Syria , therefore FETO members and the US are so crying



We never forget about failed judical and military coup attempts by the US / NATO backed FETO terror organization to destroy ERDOGAN and future of Turkish People in 2013 and 2016

all traitor FETO and PKK terrorists are under protection in the US , the UK and Germany


S400 is very good response to terrorist supporter the US/NATO ... keep crying

 

[SQ8]

Having prepped its force structure around the F-35 along with investing time and resources it will be difficult.
Also, no other replacement will be available in due course.

 

[MMM-E]

Our national security and interests are much more important than F-35
Turkey can survive more 7-10 years without F-35 .. no big problem


The US plays F-35 card against S-400 deal to ask Turkey for endless concessions

The problems between Turkey and the US are multilayered and very complicated
The S-400 just turned into a filter pushing other problems to the back burner

There are serious confrontation between Turkey and the US in northern Syria
and The US,Israel,Greece,Egypt were allies against Turkey in the Eastern Mediterranean
also The US used FETO terrorist organization to destroy ERDOGAN

so S400 is very good response to the US and Erdogan says no going back from S-400 deal

 

[UzaySan]

India get out of Pak-Fa project. Why?

Russians rejected to share critical technologies