traders / businesses going on strike . IMF screwing pakistan

[shah_123]

And what are those "fair tax rates" in your opinion?
Since when tax payers can dictate the rate of tax?
If FBR wants them to document NIC numbers on invoices, how is that rule "written by shaitan"?

Since the govts have started taxing items of necessities like flour, electricity etc., since than the tax payers have the right to dictate ---
How can a CORRUPT dept like FBR question people about taxes --- First step, fix FBR, when have done that, we will talk about tax rates.

 

[Wikki019]

Since the govts have started taxing items of necessities like flour, electricity etc., since than the tax payers have the right to dictate ---
How can a CORRUPT dept like FBR question people about taxes --- First step, fix FBR, when have done that, we will talk about tax rates.

FBR has said they have not imposed any tax on flour

 

[shah_123]

FBR has said they have not imposed any tax on flour

I already said they will come with clarification -- maybe after public pressure they have decided to withdraw, but WHy in the first place they do such things.

 

[Wikki019]

I already said they will come with clarification -- maybe after public pressure they have decided to withdraw, but WHy in the first place they do such things.

Shabar Zaidi said there was some false Information in media that led to this fiasco but we have not imposed any new tax on "Ataa, Maida, soji"

Furthermore regarding strike of All Pakistan anjaman tajiran, Shabar Zaidi said I have met "4" Anjaman e Tajraan e Pakistan

 

[fisher1]

Na, neither I live in UK nor I intend to live in the West, I am quite satisfied living in Pakistan, Alhamdulillah.


Good post.---- I know it's very tough, but at this stage only intention is more than enough.


I know the reality of the civilised world you talking, this civilised world is responsible for the killing of millions of Muslims and other innocent people in the last 100 years. (don't give me example of this civilised world)

We will have to device our own system, in our system (Islamic economics), there's no free ride for the govt as well ---- This system Taxes people as the need arises, if there's no need than no taxes ---- This system also doesn't tax the necessities (current system deliberately taxes necessities).

No need for thin air, for a starter the Govt. must provide facilities from it's own pockets by cutting down on non development expenditures. -- I know, you know and whole Pakistan knows, there's massive massive corruption in govt depts, corruption has kinda become a sacred duty in these depts.

Initiate training courses, information programs etc., for the people --Build trust within the community (the govt is doing the opposite), make them realize Why we need taxes and where tax payers money will be spent.

Note: Islamic State can not tax people for debt servicing as Riba' is Haram.--- The ruling elite is responsible for this, confiscate their properties and pay the interest from it.

But shah saab, if we follow Islamic system, how will our parrot cages be built?

https://nation.com.pk/16-Jun-2019/president-s-house-passes-the-buck-of-parrots-cages-tender-on-cda

How will we drive luxury cars?
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/499616-Luxury-cars-imported-for-KP-ministers-

Tax will be treated as "amanat" and Pakistan will pay off its loans in no time.

We can't have that. If Pakistan becomes prosperous then how will Imran Khan and other politicians win elections by fooling people promising them a better life? They will be forced to do politics on principles and policies only.

No no, for the sake of politicians, we can't bring people up from poverty.

 

[ColonelSanders]

Since the govts have started taxing items of necessities like flour, electricity etc., since than the tax payers have the right to dictate ---
How can a CORRUPT dept like FBR question people about taxes --- First step, fix FBR, when have done that, we will talk about tax rates.

And how exactly do you think FBR was corrupted? The same a**hole traders bribe FBR officials to evade tax.
No one has the right to dictate tax rates other than the government so cut this bullshit.

Half of your argument is based on tax on flour. You cant just say that there is tax on flour and when get told that there is no such thing, say that they retracted the tax. Provide evidence first that there was a tax to begin with.

 

[shah_123]

But shah saab, if we follow Islamic system, how will our parrot cages be built?

https://nation.com.pk/16-Jun-2019/president-s-house-passes-the-buck-of-parrots-cages-tender-on-cda

How will we drive luxury cars?
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/499616-Luxury-cars-imported-for-KP-ministers-

Tax will be treated as "amanat" and Pakistan will pay off its loans in no time.

We can't have that. If Pakistan becomes prosperous then how will Imran Khan and other politicians win elections by fooling people promising them a better life? They will be forced to do politics on principles and policies only.

No no, for the sake of politicians, we can't bring people up from poverty.

Brilliant Janab, your choice of word "Amanat" is excellent and sums up everything thing.

Our Ashrafiya is scared of Islamic economic system.--- see our lives (Awaam), if not better, will remain the same --- It's the Khawas (elites) whose lives will be disturbed.

 

[ColonelSanders]

But shah saab, if we follow Islamic system, how will our parrot cages be built?

https://nation.com.pk/16-Jun-2019/president-s-house-passes-the-buck-of-parrots-cages-tender-on-cda

How will we drive luxury cars?
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/499616-Luxury-cars-imported-for-KP-ministers-

Tax will be treated as "amanat" and Pakistan will pay off its loans in no time.

We can't have that. If Pakistan becomes prosperous then how will Imran Khan and other politicians win elections by fooling people promising them a better life? They will be forced to do politics on principles and policies only.

No no, for the sake of politicians, we can't bring people up from poverty.

It is easy to criticize without any substance.
What do you think previous governments were doing?
I have seen customs officials being transferred just because they refused to clear limousines declared "buses for public transport"

 

[shah_123]

And how exactly do you think FBR was corrupted? The same a**hole traders bribe FBR officials to evade tax.
No one has the right to dictate tax rates other than the government so cut this bullshit.

Half of your argument is based on tax on flour. You cant just say that there is tax on flour and when get told that there is no such thing, say that they retracted the tax. Provide evidence first that there was a tax to begin with.

Read my last 30-40 posts (99% of my argument will be flourless) --- The price of naan/roti has been increased, now it doesn't matter what Shabbar Zaidi has to say.

First step: FIX FBR .--- When the govt has done this, we will talk about rates.

 

[ColonelSanders]

Read my last 30-40 posts (99% of my argument will be flourless) --- The price of naan/roti has been increased, now it doesn't matter what Shabbar Zaidi has to say.

First step: FIX FBR .--- When the govt has done this, we will talk about rates.

What do you think they have been doing? Where were nearly 2500 fbr officials transferred?

 

[darksider]

I was about to post this news, Thanks for posting.

Actually, in Islamic Republic of Pakistan, flour has become an item of luxury, the govt is asking people to quit eating roti and eat cakes & pastries from gourmet/cakes & bakes etc.,

This is a shameless govt which has decided to squeeze even the blood of the poors.

Soon you will see someone posting clarification from Shabbar Zaidi ---- This is becoming a joke, the govt taxes items , after seeing the pressure, they back off --- like we heard of taxes on bakar mandi, taxes on cars per seat, taxes on flour -

they fail to stop price hike on medicines they were telling over media they will not let companies increase the on life-saving drugs but it was just for face saving. now companies already increased the prices and because this news now out of new channels.they also now never talk about the medicines price increase,
what justification they will give about it.is getting med is a luxury also?

 

[313ghazi]

But shah saab, if we follow Islamic system, how will our parrot cages be built?

https://nation.com.pk/16-Jun-2019/president-s-house-passes-the-buck-of-parrots-cages-tender-on-cda

How will we drive luxury cars?
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/499616-Luxury-cars-imported-for-KP-ministers-

Tax will be treated as "amanat" and Pakistan will pay off its loans in no time.

We can't have that. If Pakistan becomes prosperous then how will Imran Khan and other politicians win elections by fooling people promising them a better life? They will be forced to do politics on principles and policies only.

No no, for the sake of politicians, we can't bring people up from poverty.

No parrot cages we're built, thanks to the supporters of PTI demanding the President take notice of what his department was doing.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...s-tender-for-rs2-million-bird-cage-1.64600606

If only all supporters of political parties put the state ahead of thier idols.

 

[darksider]

just don't follow anybody blindly.if Imran does something good then appreciate it if he does a mistake then criticize him.
don't be followers of nawaz shareef whos some followers are so blind they even cannot see his corruption.
i myself voted for imran khan for it didn't mean i closed my eye now. justify every wrongdoing.

 

[fisher1]

It is easy to criticize without any substance.
What do you think previous governments were doing?
I have seen customs officials being transferred just because they refused to clear limousines declared "buses for public transport"

My statement applies to all governments. Nobody has treated tax money the way it should be instead it's considered "lawaris" orphaned money that you can use however you like and nobody will question you. Doesn't matter if its IK or NS or Zardari. Nobody can question the supreme leaders what they did with our tax money.

I think 1 year is a lot of time to give weight to my argument so it's not without substance.

No parrot cages we're built, thanks to the supporters of PTI demanding the President take notice of what his department was doing.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...s-tender-for-rs2-million-bird-cage-1.64600606

If only all supporters of political parties put the state ahead of thier idols.

What about things that don't make it into the news?

That's a weak argument.

Why did Arif Alvi decide to waste almost 2 million rupees of this poor nation? The fact he doesn't give a crap about how tax money should be spent means he must be abusing it constantly. He just caught on this and he would be more careful in future to make sure his wrongdoings don't leak to media again.

Where's the punishment?

This is also not the first time he has wasted money. Remember the poetry session?

PTI supporters had nothing to do with it, it's the merasi media which exposed him. Imagine if we do what PTI wants and censor merasi media, would anyone have known what Mamnoon Hussain part 2 was doing?

I always say wait until PTI term ends then see how the honesty of everyone in PTI gets exposed. I have to see the honesty everytime i go out in Peshawar in the ruins of BRT. The corruption report on it hid two names who received kickbacks. Who are those two names and why are they hidden?

 

[Rasengan]

Good post.---- I know it's very tough, but at this stage only intention is more than enough.

I agree. The intention should always be there. This will be a long term process, we have to remain patient. But it's nice to know you believe in the Islamic financial system. In today's era, people would ridicule you for proposing such ideas.