‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits

[Dem!god]

You yes...but is the West fine with it?

And we have many Indians on this very thread comparing their tolerance level with that of Middle East

west is fine i guess .. otherwise france wouldn't hv made such law.. and many other nation considering the same

 

[Dubious]

Now that you know the Maldivian law what is your comment? Is it justified that any person who converts to say Christianity must loose his/her citizenship? It is important to know because there cannot be multiple standards.

I dont know the law that is it they choose you or offer their citizenship based on your religion? I dont know a single Maldivian who was "granted" or "applied" citizenship all have gotten it as a birth right....

Please do point out the law and dont make assumptions

Thank you

west is fine i guess .. otherwise france wouldn't hv made such law.. and many other nation considering the same

France is literally hated by 1 too many countries to mention....

 

[livingdead]

Mistake duly noted.

sorry, did not want to nitpick.. just wanted to point out because some members said UK is same as KSA (wrt personal freedom). cheers

 

[Dubious]

criminal activities

so this question should be directed to someone like our lady maulana who keep defending such stuff

Please show me when did I defend SUCH stuff?!

 

[livingdead]

Lol, isn't that naught films homie?

yo.. was talkingbout bangladesh boys of east london... you get me?

 

[DingDong]

I dont know the law that is it they choose you or offer their citizenship based on your religion? I dont know a single Maldivian who was "granted" or "applied" citizenship all have gotten it as a birth right....

Please do point out the law and dont make assumptions

Thank you


France is literally hated by 1 too many countries to mention....

I ask again, do you really believe in "my house my rules" thing? Do you believe that this rule must apply strictly when Muslims are majority, and must not be applicable where Muslims are in minority (secularism, liberalism, personal and religious freedom you know)?

 

[Dubious]

Now that you know the Maldivian law what is your comment? Is it justified that any person who converts to say Christianity must loose his/her citizenship? It is important to know because there cannot be multiple standards.

Ok I just went through the Maldivian laws...I was not aware of such laws...

2ndly, if Maldives considers itself a secular nation or one that is liberal or one that allows FREEDOM OF RELIGION which it doesnt as none of these are in its constitution then I see no reason how someone could misinterpret their laws and do something that they will not accept?

I am talking about British laws of freedom of religion and thought and stuff....it is in their constitution...either remove it and declare themselves a Christian or whatever country and clearly state they have 0 tolerance like Maldives regarding freedom of religion for their citizens or dont go lie with a brand (freedom + tolerance) and sell something else (no freedom + no tolerance)!

If Maldives' constitution states they are a secular nation than I say their laws are hypocritical!

 

[TankMan]

It's more about following rules and wearing what is acceptable in a normal society.

Some people may argue that a veil should be acceptable, though I understand why foreigners would dislike it. Not accepting the veil is understandable, both sides (the school and the student) should have simply had a little chat about it and the school should have simply informed the parents or done something which schools do. I don't see why this has to be such a big story.

I will be the first one to support punishment for any Indian indulged in criminal activities irrezpective of his religion

Same with me (and majority of Muslims) when its about any Muslim indulged in criminal activities.

That is excellent point and exactly what need to be conveyed to everyone. And if the girl opted for her choice which is not even Islamic then why blame the school..

Maybe she was raised by her parents to wear the veil, but this point is still correct. I agree that the school should not be blamed, but they should at least mention it in their rules or something (maybe they did,though the article doesn't say so).

 

[DingDong]

Ok I just went through the Maldivian laws...I was not aware of such laws...

2ndly, if Maldives considers itself a secular nation or one that is liberal or one that allows FREEDOM OF RELIGION which it doesnt as none of these are in its constitution then I see no reason how someone could misinterpret their laws and do something that they will not accept?

I am talking about British laws of freedom of religion and thought and stuff....it is in their constitution...either remove it and declare themselves a Christian or whatever country and clearly state they have 0 tolerance like Maldives regarding freedom of religion for their citizens or dont go lie with a brand (freedom + tolerance) and sell something else (no freedom + no tolerance)!

If Maldives' constitution states they are a secular nation than I say their laws are hypocritical!

But if the British law allow the school to throw out a student for wearing veil and the school does, then you must accept it under the "My house my Rule" theory. NO?

 

[Dubious]

I ask again, do you really believe in "my house my rules" thing? Do you believe that this rule must apply strictly when Muslims are majority, and must not be applicable where Muslims are in minority (secularism, liberalism, personal and religious freedom you know)?

I believe in what is written in the constitution of the respected countries---

It is not dependent on which community is a majority or minority but what is stated in the law...and how it is implemented if the stated differs from the implementation than I do object (example Pakistan....my beloved nation...I object how the minorities are treated as it is opposing the constitution )

 

[DingDong]

I believe in what is written in the constitution of the respected countries---

It is not dependent on which community is a majority or minority but what is stated in the law...and how it is implemented if the stated differs from the implementation than I do object (example Pakistan....my beloved nation...I object how the minorities are treated as it is opposing the constitution )

If a non-Muslim nation amends it's constitution and throw out the Muslims will that be acceptable to you under the "My house, my rules" theory?

 

[Dubious]

But if the British law allow the school to throw out a student for wearing veil and the school dies

I hope that means does...

Yes, she is out no accepting it wont change the situation

And mind you it is my personal opinion that they should do the same treatment with EVERYONE who is against the school laws (including provocative clothing)


As for my house my rules theory....the problem with that and the school is ...the school doesnt have it written in black and white no face veil....

Headmistress statement:

Mrs Kitcatt, 55, added: ‘We have an appearance policy and students at the school may wear what they wish subject to any requirement in the interests of teaching and learning, health and safety. Inappropriate dress which offends public decency or which does not allow teacher-student interactions will be challenged.’

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Dont see how the face veil fits in that statement!
But I agree with post 134

both sides (the school and the student) should have simply had a little chat about it and the school should have simply informed the parents or done something which schools do. I don't see why this has to be such a big story

I guess the people are putting anything with Muslims in media

 

[TankMan]

I am talking about British laws of freedom of religion and thought and stuff....it is in their constitution...either remove it and declare themselves a Christian or whatever country and clearly state they have 0 tolerance like Maldives regarding freedom of religion for their citizens or dont go lie with a brand (freedom + tolerance) and sell something else (no freedom + no tolerance)!
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Well said,
Saudi Arabia or Maldives doesn't claim to be tolerant or liberal, so they can make whatever laws they want. The Western countries, however, claim they are tolerant and liberal, so they should either change that law or adhere to their own principles. Now, I'm not saying that Western countries are like Saudi Arabia, however I am saying that they can't have full religious freedom and a Burka ban at the same time. They should either have a law that bans covering your face in public completely (and have it overrule any religious freedom laws) or they should let the Muslim women wear whatever they want.

sorry, did not want to nitpick.. just wanted to point out because some members said UK is same as KSA (wrt personal freedom). cheers

No problem. I disagree with whoever says the UK is same as KSA, I currently reside in the UK and I can confirm that they are wrong (or atleast I think they're wrong). Cheers.

 

[Dubious]

If a non-Muslim nation amends it's constitution and throw out the Muslims will that be acceptable to you under the "My house, my rules" theory?

Well then they will have to justify why the sudden change when knowing they have many Muslims in their country...I have answered this (post 117) you are going in circles...

Well said,
Saudi Arabia or Maldives doesn't claim to be tolerant or liberal, so they can make whatever laws they want. The Western countries, however, claim they are tolerant and liberal, so they should either change that law or adhere to their own principles. Now, I'm not saying that Western countries are like Saudi Arabia, however I am saying that they can't have full religious freedom and a Burka ban at the same time. They should either have a law that bans covering your face in public completely or they should let the Muslim women wear whatever they want.

That is all I have been saying from day 1...

No problem, I disagree with whoever says the UK is same as KSA, I currently reside in the UK and I can confirm that they are wrong. Cheers.

Lived in both countries for certain periods and I can def say neither is the same....but what you quoted me (post 130) is what I am going on and on about when you label yourself as tolerant and liberal then be tolerant and liberal why intermix the both then try to compare yourself with those which you have labeled intolerant and not liberal (i.e. Saudia Arabia)???

 

[TankMan]

Well then they will have to justify why the sudden change when knowing they have many Muslims in their country...I have answered this (post 117) you are going in circles...
That is all I have been saying from day 1...
Lived in both countries for certain periods and I can def say neither is the same....but what you quoted me (post 130) is what I am going on and on about when you label yourself as tolerant and liberal then be tolerant and liberal why intermix the both than try to compare yourself with those which you have labeled intolerant and not liberal (i.e. Saudia Arabia)???

I agree completely but unfortunately reason is useless on people who refuse to listen to it. Those who will find any reason to bash Muslims will continue to use this same argument and disregard all of our well written counter arguments.