‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits

[Kloitra]

It effects us, they try to force this on others. Even on Muslims lot of this is forced. Look at ISIS, there are mini ISIS living in houses where they force their brothers and sisters. Like, I will stop you from going outside if you do this etc.

As long as they keep in family. You would not object your parents telling you how to behave, would you?

 

[Gibbs]

When in Rome.........

 

[Contrarian]

There is a difference between being a Muslim and adopting Arabic culture. I am a proud Muslim but I am not ready to become an Arab. Again, Islam encourages its followers to adopt middle-of-the-road approach and getting the woman enclosed in a huge envelope is nowhere near that. Sunnah is fine but as long it is in line with Quran. Besides, because tooth brush was not in Mohammed's (PBUH) time or cars/airplanes were not in his time does not mean that I have to stick to the wooden branch for cleaning my teeth or riding the beast of burdon to follow his sunnah. Sunnah is not cleaning your teeth with a wooden branch but to maintain good oral hygeine. The same applies to other hadiths.

I like your thought process. Kudos.

 

[Gibbs]

Yes but the private school is also running in a country where it is obliged to its laws just like when opening an Islamic school...be it a private one it has to follow certain set of rules...and btw, I have posted what the headmistress said about the rules of the school as not having a uniform but a dress code....

Would you be ok if a student attends a private Islamic religious school in Britain wearing shorts or without a head scarf ? Will you take the same objective view if that institution bans such a student ?

After all the same rules should apply noh ? According to your argument Britain's general law supersedes (which is liberal and tolerant) that of a private institution.. Irrespective of it's general fairness

 

[Dubious]

Would you be ok if a student attends a private Islamic religious school in Britain wearing shorts or without a head scarf ? Will you take the same objective view if that institution bans such a student ?

this school is not a religious one....so this cant even be used as an analogy..

After all the same rules should apply noh ? According to your argument Britain's general law supersedes (which is liberal and tolerant) that of a private institution.. Irrespective of it's general fairness

I didnt say that....The very foundation of British education is liberal education as the article I posted (post 161) ...I am not the only one shocked with such a behaviour....even the everyday gora is...

Why? Because we are not taught to discriminate nor judge. We definitely are taught equality for all....

And as I have said repeated times, its not in black or white ...they have an open rules when it comes to dressing...

Issue is that you want "them" to remain liberal not because you like the idea, but because it suites you when you are in minority. "They" are not bound to live by your expectations, are they?

I have seen your marvelous ability to distort statements and its not even funny....

@TankMan and I have explained what we said in as simple words as possible but even then you managed to distort the statement into terrorism and actually compared the whole concept to it...either you have no clue what you are typing or you are a troll..

Britain is "liberal" not because of the British laws, Britain is not a Police State. Britain is liberal because of it's people and their way of life.

I am not sure why you sitting in India are having a heartattack about some issue which doesnt concern you...Is it something to do with it having to do with Islam, Muslims??

As for Britain being liberal coz of the people, I believe ,@TankMan just said the same...If you understand it better by typing yourself the same conclusion then very well...

However, as what you wrote Britain is liberal coz of the people...this liberty was stolen when the PEOPLE RUNNING THE SCHOOL killed the meaning of tolerance....

Britain will remain liberal and tolerant as long as the minority remains a significant minority and is not allowed to have it's way, because on that day Britain will no longer remain "liberal" and "tolerant".

In short Britain is doing what you want it to do: Take some harsh decisions so that Britain remains "liberal".

This may apply to being Liberal in India but not the word liberal in general!

Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property

Liberals do not have a problem with minorities like your saying....


Here is the direct definition of the word liberal which you should have googled before preaching BS under the liberal banner:

liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective

1. 1.
   willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

 

[Gibbs]

this school is not a religious one....so this cant even be used as an analogy..


I didnt say that....The very foundation of British education is liberal education as the article I posted (post 161) ...I am not the only one shocked with such a behaviour....even the everyday gora is...

Why? Because we are not taught to discriminate nor judge. We definitely are taught equality for all....

And as I have said repeated times, its not in black or white ...they have an open rules when it comes to dressing...

Why not ?? Both should be private institutions having their own rules and regulations, Within the frame work of British law..Which you say supersedes that of a private school religious or not

I think you're contradicting your own argument here.. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander

Whats a gora ?

I don't think that article proves anything.. It's just a opinion piece by an individual.. Just like people here.. And you know what they say about opinions ?

 

[Dubious]

with a policy that is quite clear, fair and applied to all without discrimination

Yes and no.....they dont have it in black and white what is allowed, just a general term...anyone could have stepped out of it...

Please remember that UK does NOT have a written Constitution at all, so your statement does not make any sense the way you have said it.

The constitution of the United Kingdom is the sum of laws and principles that make up the body politic of the United Kingdom. It concerns both the relationship between the individual and the state, and the functioning of the legislature, the executive and judiciary. Unlike many other nations, the UK has no single constitutional document. This is sometimes expressed by stating that it has an uncodified or "unwritten" constitution. Much of the British constitution is embodied in written documents, within statutes,court judgements, works of authority and treaties. The constitution has other unwritten sources, including parliamentary constitutional conventions.

Since the Glorious Revolution in 1688, the bedrock of the British constitution has traditionally been the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty, according to which the statutes passed by Parliament are the UK's supreme and final source of law. It follows that Parliament can change the constitution simply by passing new Acts of Parliament. There is some debate about whether this principle remains valid, particularly in light of the UK's membership in the European Union

-wiki


You can read what is considered as "British constitution" though it is not written (doesnt mean it doesnt have a set of laws and bills...):
What is the UK Constitution?

Almost all Muslim women in India wear niqab in public;I am yet to see a girl or a woman who covers her face with veil in schools,colleges or work places.What this girl did was attention seeking.She is no different from a girl who seeks attention by revealing boobs and thighs.

Thank you for your opinion and judgement....I am sure it will be treasured in the achieves of narrow minded behaviour!

Why not ?? Both should be private institutions having their own rules and regulations, Within the frame work of British law..Which you say supersedes that of a private school religious or not

A religious school would have a written set of rules of how to dress like any catholic school...where the skirt should be of a certain size- below the knees (def not too short), blouse should be neat and not too tight nor short

I think you're contradicting your own argument here.. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander

not really...no contradictions...My only voice is for the god damn school to stop showing off its open mindedness when it isnt and clearly state what is NOT TOLERATED like any "religious school" would (so people like you can clearly compare and not embarrass yourselves)

I don't think that article proves anything.. It's just a opinion piece by an individual.. Just like people here.. And you know what they say about opinions ?

Not sure what they say about opinions and yes everyone has their rights to an opinion....I am saying my own and my only stance is the school should have it in black and white...fullstop!

If it was written and the girl STILL wore a niqaab then I would say silly girl for not reading the rules and regulations and also for not following them!

 

[qamar1990]

I cannot believe that people with mentality of medieval age exist who believe that faces should be covered etc.. I am saying this irrespective of faith.

so uncovering your face makes you modern? but covering it makes it medieval? lol way kiya logic hai

She has to follow the school rules for appearance, which prohibit any type of dress "which does not allow teacher student interactions".

do you think the dress code NUST had in pakistan is also good???

 

[Dubious]

"which does not allow teacher student interactions".

Just asking....if you want to take this into consideration than short skirts and male teachers....

do you think the dress code lumS had in pakistan is also good???

What's their dress code?

 

[qamar1990]

Just asking....if you want to take this into consideration than short skirts and male teachers....


What's their dress code?

NUST not lums made a mistake lol..
NUST: What’s so bad about a dress-code? – The Express Tribune Blog

 

[Dubious]

NUST not lums made a mistake lol..
NUST: What’s so bad about a dress-code? – The Express Tribune Blog

Apparently anything which governs values or disciplines people is hard for the world to swallow then they wonder where chaos started and how they ended up in such crap....I always recall the 2011 London Riots (and what Cameroon said in his speech after that about the youth ) was there in UK and dad kept calling daily to make sure we were ok....

 

[qamar1990]

Apparently anything which governs values or disciplines people is hard for the world to swallow then they wonder where chaos started and how they ended up in such crap....I always recall the 2011 London Riots (and what Cameroon said in his speech after that about the youth ) was there in UK and dad kept calling daily to make sure we were ok....

yes…double standards of these people seem to amaze me.
they are the biggest hypocrites.

 

[DingDong]

this school is not a religious one....so this cant even be used as an analogy..


I didnt say that....The very foundation of British education is liberal education as the article I posted (post 161) ...I am not the only one shocked with such a behaviour....even the everyday gora is...

Why? Because we are not taught to discriminate nor judge. We definitely are taught equality for all....

And as I have said repeated times, its not in black or white ...they have an open rules when it comes to dressing...


I have seen your marvelous ability to distort statements and its not even funny....

@TankMan and I have explained what we said in as simple words as possible but even then you managed to distort the statement into terrorism and actually compared the whole concept to it...either you have no clue what you are typing or you are a troll..



I am not sure why you sitting in India are having a heartattack about some issue which doesnt concern you...Is it something to do with it having to do with Islam, Muslims??

As for Britain being liberal coz of the people, I believe ,@TankMan just said the same...If you understand it better by typing yourself the same conclusion then very well...

However, as what you wrote Britain is liberal coz of the people...this liberty was stolen when the PEOPLE RUNNING THE SCHOOL killed the meaning of tolerance....
This may apply to being Liberal in India but not the word liberal in general!

Liberals do not have a problem with minorities like your saying....


Here is the direct definition of the word liberal which you should have googled before preaching BS under the liberal banner:

liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective

1. 
   
   
   • 1.
     willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

Do you believe in Liberalism and Secularism? If you don't then every sentence which contain these terms has "Hypocrisy" written all over it.

 

[Dubious]

Do you believe in Liberalism and Secularism? If you don't then every sentence which contain these terms has "Hypocrisy" written all over it.

I believe in a lot of things...and it is not me who is a hypocrite but those selling the brand of liberalism and yet not practicing it and I am only pointing it out ...no hypocrisy there when you call a spade a spade and others have their mouths hanging coz they never saw a real spade!

 

[DingDong]

I believe in a lot of things...and it is not me who is a hypocrite but those selling the brand of liberalism and yet not practicing it and I am only pointing it out ...no hypocrisy there when you call a spade a spade and others have their mouths hanging coz they never saw a real spade!

Others are not obliged to honour someone's wish list particularly when they suspect that "someone" might behead them given an opportunity. Why do profess an ideology for other which you don't believe in?