‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits

[Dubious]

Others are not obliged to honour someone's wish list particularly when they suspect that "someone" might behead them given an opportunity. Why do profess an ideology for other which you don't believe in?

lolz...No matter what I type you seem to twist it and give out a conclusion....

Not everyone is as cowardly and narrow minded as you...

Show me the post where I said i dnt believe in it? Also show me a post where this issue becomes about me...personal is for those who seem to hit below the belt.....Did you question the ideology followed by the author who wrote the article? Who published it for the world to read and pass on? No then how can you question what I believe and that to through twisted conclusions you seem to derive from your own brain at work....basically based on nothing I type?

BTW, how is defining liberalism and then pointing out that something who claims itself as liberal is not practicing it known as a hypocrite?
Did I claim to be liberal? I havent claim either to or fro it....so I am not sure how AGAIN you twisted words and jumped to conclusions? So showing something as it was supposed to be and isnt is the new definition of hypocrisy in India?

 

[jha]

Its her loss... I dont think School gives a damn..

 

[Black Widow]

‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits — RT UK

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A Muslim teenager who had been banned from school for wearing an Islamic face veil said that she was too ‘upset, hurt and angry’ to go back, despite the support of cover a thousand of her fellow students.

The 16 year old, who was due to start her A level exams this year, was told by the prestigious Camden School for Girls that her decision to wear the Islamic veil went against the schools’ dress code, and that staff would not be allowed to teach her unless she removed it.

Speaking to the London Evening Standard, the girl said that the face veil should not be seen as “un-British”.

“I was born in Britain. I know perfect English, I enjoy doing the normal, typical things like drinking tea and eating biscuits. Britain claims to be multicultural, meaning they accept different kinds of people.”

“To be honest a lot of people at the school wear inappropriate clothing — inappropriate as in very provocative and revealing clothing like extremely short shorts — so it didn’t make sense that they were refusing me to wear the niqab” she said.

The girl will continue her studies at a different sixth form college, which is located further away from her home.

“I’ve been going to Camden for five years yet they were so dismissive but a school that I’d never even heard of were so ready to welcome me. There are even other students who wear the niqab” she said.

Camden School for Girls was named as one of the top 100 in the country by schools minister David Laws last year, and has a number of prominent alumni.

So what she will do now? Revenge?

 

[M.AsfandYar]

it is the school's choice to kick such people out...if it was hijab..i would support the girl pov...but sorry no full face veil...it is medieval and barbaric practice...and if someone wants to wear such a thing...then they should be ready for consequence..

Barbaric how? bcoz u said so!!!

 

[PlanetWarrior]

The girl was born and raised in UK ....

we can send your types packing home but not those who are as much British as any British can be!

Who is asking for everyone to bend their laws? They already bend it for provocative clothes being allowed...

how is that not medieval mentality to go towards cavemen dressing?


Majority of Indians are Hindu so India is a Hindu nation not secular? Wow what logic!



Well that is the problem in India...You people raring mental retards and throwing the blame elsewhere....

Whilst I do not condone the actions of the school and believe that the young lady was treated unfairly and harshly by the establishment, I must inquire from you, given your strong viewpoints on the matter, whether you would raise your kids in a country where there is animosity towards your race or religion ? I for example would never work or accept residence in Saudi Arabia since their requirements for a conforming citizen goes beyond my beliefs as a practicing Hindu. Why then do certain members of the Muslim community reside in countries in the west and demand that their cultural beliefs which are unacceptable to those societies be adopted or accepted by those societies? A good point in example would be this young lady who is more likely to fit in at a school in Saudi or Pakistan but who takes offense to the dress code of a western school.

On the issue of why a mini skirt would be acceptable but the burka wouldn't in England, the response to that would be rather obvious. The mini is an acceptable western outfit like the burka is to the Arabs. Inasmuch as the mini would stick out like a sore thumb in the middle east or in Pakistan (presumably), the burka likewise sticks out like a sore thumb in non conservative Islamic societies.

 

[VCheng]

Yes and no.....they dont have it in black and white what is allowed, just a general term...anyone could have stepped out of it..

The Appearance Policy I quoted in the beginning of this thread is quite clear and fair.

You can read what is considered as "British constitution" though it is not written

That is what I said - there is no written UK Constitution. Those sets of laws and determination and documents can never be unwritten, but only added to. See the difference? You simply cannot demand "either remove it and declare themselves a Christian or whatever country and clearly state they have 0 tolerance like Maldives regarding freedom of religion for their citizens or dont go lie with a brand (freedom + tolerance) and sell something else (no freedom + no tolerance)!" given this fact.

 

[SamantK]

Good move, all institutions should ban anything religious be it a beard, a particular cloth or any form of religious symbolism if that religion does not belive in that education.

Those who want to follow Islam should either shun a school which teaches evolution rather than the concept of Eve and Adam or accept the rules laid down. The choice is simple.

 

[Dubious]

Whilst I do not condone the actions of the school and believe that the young lady was treated unfairly and harshly by the establishment, I must inquire from you, given your strong viewpoints on the matter, whether you would raise your kids in a country where there is animosity towards your race or religion ? I for example would never work or accept residence in Saudi Arabia since their requirements for a conforming citizen goes beyond my beliefs as a practicing Hindu. Why then do certain members of the Muslim community reside in countries in the west and demand that their cultural beliefs which are unacceptable to those societies be adopted or accepted by those societies?

This has been answered in this very thread....

Because Saudi Arabia doesnt claim to be secular....

When you claim something you should live up to it, right? If the claim here is liberal and then they have 0 tolerance is selling a fake story coz that alone goes against the term liberal as I already stated in this very thread...
All over the thread I have only raised 1 point: hypocrisy


Why? coz when you call yourself secular, liberal and then give no tolerance to difference...then you are far from secular or liberal and are no different to the very Saudis you compare...

THAT is my POV...you are free to argue otherwise..

A good point in example would be this young lady who is more likely to fit in at a school in Saudi or Pakistan but who takes offense to the dress code of a western school.

Not exactly since the lady was BORN and RAISED in UK....I dont think she would fit in Saudi as she voiced out which would not be accepted in certain societies....

On the issue of why a mini skirt would be acceptable but the burka wouldn't in England, the response to that would be rather obvious. The mini is an acceptable western outfit like the burka is to the Arabs. Inasmuch as the mini would stick out like a sore thumb in the middle east or in Pakistan (presumably), the burka likewise sticks out like a sore thumb in non conservative Islamic societies.

Actually not really...The Burqa is some what seen in the UK......yes face veil in any form sticks out but not a large cloak as it merges with the long coats during winter...

The Appearance Policy I quoted in the beginning of this thread is quite clear and fair.

Must have missed it...please quote again or at least give me the post no.

That is what I said - there is no written UK Constitution. Those sets of laws and determination and documents can never be unwritten, but only added to. See the difference? You simply cannot demand "either remove it and declare themselves a Christian or whatever country and clearly state they have 0 tolerance like Maldives regarding freedom of religion for their citizens or dont go lie with a brand (freedom + tolerance) and sell something else (no freedom + no tolerance)!" given this fact.

Actually you can like you said there is no written constitution however, same said documents declare UK to be Christian actually...with the Queen the head of the church....BUT the people of the country claim it to be secular....

it should come out of the fake advertisement of tolerance and secular nation....and proclaim what it is as it is...

BBC Religion & Ethics - Perspectives: Should Britain become a secular state?

2013 and still confused...

 

[Supply&Demand]

Barbaric how? bcoz u said so!!!

The world says so....

 

[Dubious]

can someone tell me the reason for a woman to wear Burqa..... shouldn't the rules be bit relaxed to suit the present time....

There are many sects in Islam which interpret the meanings of Quran/ Hadith in various ways....

Since the Arabic language is such a language you cant actually have 2 or more answers to the same thing...and of course both will not be complete opposites but will be somewhat similar

I will give you a classical example (thanks to my memory I dont recall the details but I will try to keep it as original as it can be):

2 companions of the prophet were on a journey and they were told to meet at a place (Place A) and the prophet said meet me there and we will pray maghrib together...

Now these companions rode and when they reached place B it was maghrib time and companion 1 said we should pray as it is time and Prophet always said pray in the early time. Companion 2 said no we should carry on as we are to meet the Prophet and pray Maghrib with him...but companion 1 insisted that he do his prayers so companion 1 prayed and when the 2 met the prophet at place A (where they were to meet) it was nearing Isha and they told the prophet what happened ....

Prophet said companion 1 and companion 2 both are right.

Companion 1 prayed early as it is better while companion 2 obeyed the prophet's say and waited to pray with the prophet in place A. they prayed together combining Maghrib and Isha...

WALLAH HU A'ALAAM..

 

[PlanetWarrior]

This has been answered in this very thread....

Because Saudi Arabia doesnt claim to be secular....

When you claim something you should live up to it, right? If the claim here is liberal and then they have 0 tolerance is selling a fake story coz that alone goes against the term liberal as I already stated in this very thread...
All over the thread I have only raised 1 point: hypocrisy


Why? coz when you call yourself secular, liberal and then give no tolerance to difference...then you are far from secular or liberal and are no different to the very Saudis you compare...

THAT is my POV...you are free to argue otherwise..

Not exactly since the lady was BORN and RAISED in UK....I dont think she would fit in Saudi as she voiced out which would not be accepted in certain societies....


Actually not really...The Burqa is some what seen in the UK......yes face veil in any form sticks out but not a large cloak as it merges with the long coats during winter...

Must have missed it...please quote again or at least give me the post no.

Actually you can like you said there is no written constitution however, same said documents declare UK to be Christian actually...with the Queen the head of the church....BUT the people of the country claim it to be secular....

it should come out of the fake advertisement of tolerance and secular nation....and proclaim what it is as it is...

BBC Religion & Ethics - Perspectives: Should Britain become a secular state?

2013 and still confused...

Indeed, I cannot fault your responses to my posts. However, Britain like Pakistan or India for that matter is no Utopian society. Its past history with our respective countries speaks for itself and that wasn't too long ago in the sequence of time of history. The majority of the British remain White Christian Protestant or Catholic with their fair share of bias and liberalism. "Secular" is purely a word. In India itself I witness various debates and arguments about where secularism should start and where it should stop. A Christian liberal is more likely to smile at a young girl wearing a mini skirt with boots as he is likely to gawk or frown at a young girl in a burka. Many of my Muslim English friends likewise pass derogatory comments about women in burkas calling them names like "Ninjas" or "Arabian Tents". I think the hypocrisy is more based towards rejecting a foreign culture which is adopted by the "enemy" (ISIS and Al Qaeda etc) then it is towards Islam. Many Christians may not realize that in the west. Then again, as I stated earlier certain Muslims are also hostile towards this attire and when I questioned them, their response is that it is outdated and embraced by terrorist groups. I don't agree with this sentiment so please don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Dubious]

Indeed, I cannot fault your responses to my posts. However, Britain like Pakistan or India for that matter is no Utopian society. Its past history with our respective countries speaks for itself and that wasn't too long ago in the sequence of time of history. The majority of the British remain White Christian Protestant or Catholic with their fair share of bias and liberalism.

Agreed and that is all I intend to point out...

"Secular" is purely a word. In India itself I witness various debates and arguments about where secularism should start and where it should stop.

lolz true hence why I said they should have it in black and white....that way no one will cross the fine lines...

A Christian liberal is more likely to smile at a young girl wearing a mini skirt with boots as he is likely to gawk or frown at a young girl in a burka. Many of my Muslim English friends likewise pass derogatory comments about women in burkas calling them names like "Ninjas" or "Arabian Tents".

I have heard that too...

I think the hypocrisy is more based towards rejecting a foreign culture which is adopted by the "enemy" (ISIS and Al Qaeda etc) then it is towards Islam.

That is sad as that makes one slip into intolerance as well as judgmental and lets not forget the painting everyone with the same brush bit...All of which a civilized society tells its people is wrong....they compare Saudi who does it or other countries like Pakistan...but when you start doing it too...there is no room for comparison....

Holier than thou attitude on a different spectrum?

Many Christians may not realize that in the west. Then again, as I stated earlier certain Muslims are also hostile towards this attire and when I questioned them, their response is that it is outdated and embraced by terrorist groups. I don't agree with this sentiment so please don't shoot the messenger.

I never shot the msgr I did point out a msg....dont label yourself what you are not! THAT is pure HYPOCRISY!

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Agreed and that is all I intend to point out...



lolz true hence why I said they should have it in black and white....that way no one will cross the fine lines...



I have heard that too...


That is sad as that makes one slip into intolerance as well as judgmental and lets not forget the painting everyone with the same brush bit...All of which a civilized society tells its people is wrong....they compare Saudi who does it or other countries like Pakistan...but when you start doing it too...there is no room for comparison....

Holier than thou attitude on a different spectrum?

I never shot the msgr I did point out a msg....dont label yourself what you are not! THAT is pure HYPOCRISY!

Thank you for the healthy discussion. Much appreciated

 

[Porus]

Education is more important, get rid of the veil - it's a girls school anyway. I bet unlike pervert south Asian men your school girls will not gawp at you unless some of them have some strange desires, but that is another topic.

 

[Dubious]

Education is more important, get rid of the veil - it's a girls school anyway. I bet unlike pervert south Asian men your school girls will not gawp at you unless some of them have some strange desires, but that is another topic.

This def hits the nail on the head....

Then again the lady can simply put up its my choice argument

After all no attire was listed while enrolling into the school....