The word "Shaheed" and dead Indian soldiers

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

It is actually you who is stubborn and acting like a fool to forcefully declare your dead soldiers as shaheed which they aren't as per Islamic scholars from all over the world.

And I don't know what first line you read. This is the first line from the link I posted:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_state

The above lines clearly say that concept of Islamic state exists and then gives definition for it.

On second part. Pakistan has dozens of Islamic laws in its laws. Its constitution is based is based on Islam. So yeah Pakistan is definitely an Islamic state. And a non muslim from India is no one to declare that whether Pakistan is a muslim state or not.

Third Wikipedia is not India. So cut this BS. And I have many other links and fatwas too. But this was just a start so that you can improve your knowledge about this issue.

You have to implement the whole of sharia law to become a Islamic state.
Second, this concept is founded by some molvies after Prophet Mohammad died.
I haven't found a reference from Quran or hadiths of Islamic state.
I have read a lot about "Ummah" concept in Quran and hadiths which Muslims doesn't follow.

 

[coffee_cup]

this is a concerning development,,,its the sikulars n librails ,,they trying to disrespect hindus by using a nonhindi word,,,the correct word is veergati.i am so angry right now,,tv channels must apologize

I agree. As a bawa that word was eluding me.

Cheers, Doc

Fair enough. And I completely respect that.

This is why I wonder why the extremist hindu govt of India, otherwise very hostile to Muslim, Chrisitans etc, has all of a sudden started to use Muslim term "Shaheed" for dead hindu soldiers?

What is the value proposition there?

 

[Hamza913]

Who will decide if a Muslim soldier dying for what cause? You or Allah??

Allah gets the final word, we make a logical assumption based on our limited knowledge.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

It is actually you who is stubborn and acting like a fool to forcefully declare your dead soldiers as shaheed which they aren't as per Islamic scholars from all over the world.

And I don't know what first line you read. This is the first line from the link I posted:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_state

The above lines clearly say that concept of Islamic state exists and then gives definition for it.

On second part. Pakistan has dozens of Islamic laws in its laws. Its constitution is based is based on Islam. So yeah Pakistan is definitely an Islamic state. And a non muslim from India is no one to declare that whether Pakistan is a muslim state or not.

Third Wikipedia is not India. So cut this BS. And I have many other links and fatwas too. But this was just a start so that you can improve your knowledge about this issue.

You have to implement the whole of sharia law to become a Islamic state.
Second, this concept is founded by some molvies after Prophet Mohammad died.
I haven't found a reference from Quran or hadiths of Islamic state.
I have read a lot about "Ummah" concept in Quran and hadiths which Muslims doesn't follow. May be i missed something in Holy book.

 

[Daghalodi]

He/she will reincarnate if his life cycle is incomplete. Until he/she joins the one. And nobody goes to heaven because he/she is Hindu, whatever is done in this earth all the bad, will pay for it.

So if a hindu doesnt go to swarg or narg and will pay for their bad deeds on earth wth is a swarg and narg?

I guess swarg, narg , veergati is a hoax and hindu reincarnation is the real truth??

 

[Hallian_Khan]

many people use word 'SHARIA LAW"... can they describe what it is or did anyone ever see sharia law book or such thing where we can ok this this n this is sharia law or is it just their brain farts.... you know shit about Islam n its laws n only word you know is sharia law... there isnt any such thing as sharia law i challenge you all to prove it
2nd shaheed is Islamic word purely for their soldiers or people who died not just for islam but also for any noble cause... even if someone die while working will also come in that category... though there are different levels of that which described in Islamic literature... so cut this crap your dead soldiers are simply dead period. yes you can call them "MURDAR" if you wana give them any name but not shaheed... n its not arabic its islamic word

 

[Areesh]

You have to implement the whole of sharia law to become a Islamic state.
Second, this concept is founded by some molvies after Prophet Mohammad died.
I haven't found a reference from Quran or hadiths of Islamic state.
I have read a lot about "Ummah" concept in Quran and hadiths which Muslims doesn't follow.

1. Pakistan has implemented a lot of Islamic laws from inheritance to hudood to many others issues. Many more being implemented gradually. So indeed it is an Islamic state and a wanna be expert on Islam from India is nobody to tell us whehter we are an Islamic stat or not.

2. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) Himself was the founder of the first Islamic state so you are wrong again.

3. As for Quran and Hadith. You are wrong once again. There are dozens of Hadith that explain concept of Islamic state and also forbid any muslim to fight against it. So yeah Quran and Hadith have very clear Islamic state concept.

About ummah. It is a different concept. And yes muslims are not following it but that has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[padamchen]

@halupridol

Wouldn't some say that veergati is Rajput specific and not pan Indian?

Cheers, Doc

 

[coffee_cup]

You have to implement the whole of sharia law to become a Islamic state.
Second, this concept is founded by some molvies after Prophet Mohammad died.
I haven't found a reference from Quran or hadiths of Islamic state.
I have read a lot about "Ummah" concept in Quran and hadiths which Muslims doesn't follow.

First lines of the Preamble of the constitution of "Islamic Republic Pakistan".

Preamble

Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;

And whereas it is the will of the people of Pakistan to establish an order :-

Wherein the State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people;

Wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed;


Wherein the Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and Sunnah;
=================================

Pasting so that you could have better knowledge about the neighborhood. ;-)

 

[halupridol]

@halupridol

Wouldn't some say that veergati is Rajput specific and not pan Indian?

Cheers, Doc

exactly,,,its north indian,,so by default more hindu

 

[padamchen]

exactly,,,its north indian,,so by default more hindu

But more Hindu trends towards Persian.

And most Persians are now Muslim.

So is veergati Muslim then ...

Cheers, Doc

 

[coffee_cup]

@halupridol

Wouldn't some say that veergati is Rajput specific and not pan Indian?

Cheers, Doc

exactly,,,its north indian,,so by default more hindu

So just for education purposes, what proper term should be used for the deceased-in-combat hindu soldiers?

Veergati? or some other term?

"Shaheed" is a complete misfit here for sure.

 

[ranjeet]

Sufism had a great impact on United Punjab and Northern India. People followed Pirs irrespective of whether they converted to Islam or not. Another word commonly used is "RABB" Sikhs use it liberally and I don't see Pakistanis raising a hue and cry over it.

 

[Doctor Strange]

I believe Hindi/Urdu is heavily influenced by Arabic and Persian words, since coming in touch with those areas. Many such words are culturally used/borrowed. No relevance of religion to these.

 

[coffee_cup]

Sufism had a great impact on United Punjab and Northern India. People followed Pirs irrespective of whether they converted to Islam or not. Another word commonly used is "RABB" Sikhs use it liberally and I don't see Pakistanis raising a hue and cry over it.

Let me explain the context here:

- Modern day India is being ruled by extremist hindus who are trying everything in their power to disassociate themselves from Muslim/Christian influence.

- They go to such lengths as to demolish Babri mosque, remove Taj Mahal from tourist brouchers, enforcing beef ban, demanding ban on Adhan from speakers, proclaiming modern day India to be "dharmic" and followers of "foreign religion" such as Muslims, Christians should leave etc.

Then why all of a sudden, they start using a pure Muslim term for their dead Hindu soldiers? The term, which has not even been used before? What do they see so superior in the term "Shaheed", that suddenly all the media outlets are ordered to use it for dead hindu soldiers?


PS: I am aware of Sikhs using several terms also to be used by Muslims, not an issue at all.