The US military can defeat a Chinese invasion of Taiwan: Gen. Milley

[FuturePAF]

Probably one of the systems Taiwan will be employing to deal with PLA landing crafts and lightly armored vehicles

 

[Beny Karachun]

Common sense prevails anywhere. No matter what your general has to say. He cant stop russia from annexing crimea.

Seems like he did stop Russia from annexing Ukraine

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Probably one of the systems Taiwan will be employing to deal with PLA landing crafts and lightly armored vehicles

I hope they buy tons of this lol. it shows they're still like the Qing Dynasty in terms of military thinking.

 

[FuturePAF]

I hope they buy tons of this lol. it shows they're still like the Qing Dynasty in terms of military thinking.

Perhaps, but I suspect if China actually tried to take Taiwan kinetically, they will do a massive heliborne air assault followed by large numbers of hovercrafts over the mudflats and landing crafts on the beaches and ports. There will probably be a good amount of active defenses on these vehicles but it will definitely be a battle pivoting on attrition and willpower. I suspect the first few waves will be unmanned and using a lot of robots to absorb the major blows, so AI and secure comm networks will play a large role.

It would be foolhardy to underestimate the PLA because if they actually try to go for Taiwan it’s going to be for all the marbles.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Perhaps, but I suspect if China actually tried to take Taiwan kinetically, they will do a massive heliborne air assault followed by large numbers of hovercrafts over the mudflats and landing crafts on the beaches and ports. There will probably be a good amount of active defenses on these vehicles but it will definitely be a battle pivoting on attrition and willpower. I suspect the first few waves will be unmanned and using a lot of robots to absorb the major blows, so AI and secure comm networks will play a large role.

It would be foolhardy to underestimate the PLA because if they actually try to go for Taiwan it’s going to be for all the marbles.

its much easier to just bomb their power stations, fuel depots and ports while mining their harbors. Taiwan imports 97% of their energy and 70% of food, so eliminating their capability to import and store food/energy would be absolutely devastating.

Otherwise PLA ground forces main job is to set up SAMs and rocket artillery to hit their critical targets and defend the coast from foreign intervention. PHL-16 has 8x 220 km ranged rockets or 2x 500 km range SRBM.

 

[jhungary]

Perhaps, but I suspect if China actually tried to take Taiwan kinetically, they will do a massive heliborne air assault followed by large numbers of hovercrafts over the mudflats and landing crafts on the beaches and ports. There will probably be a good amount of active defenses on these vehicles but it will definitely be a battle pivoting on attrition and willpower. I suspect the first few waves will be unmanned and using a lot of robots to absorb the major blows, so AI and secure comm networks will play a large role.

It would be foolhardy to underestimate the PLA because if they actually try to go for Taiwan it’s going to be for all the marbles.

With the troop concentration and depending on the time Taiwan takes to mobilise its army, Air Assault over Taiwan West Coast is almost out of the question, you are simply feeding small piece of meal into the grinder, by the time you launch an amphibious assault and landed in Taiwanese shore, your Air Assault Force would have been spent or even decimated and at the very least not be able to hold on to their assigned objective, which usually is put into blocking position.

If China tries to take on Taiwan in a kinetic means, they will have to bomb the coast and land start an amphibious operation first, a Seaborne assault is THE ONLY way China can guarantee they can have the most people fighting in the front or beachhead in the first minutes, that will give them the maximum chance to successfully establish a beachhead.

Airborne force or Air Assault would then take Strategic Objective (Like Airport or Command Post) further inland once the Seaborne force confirmed to hold a foothold and can reinforce those force. If China can do that, then China would most likely win in a number game. But to be able to do that, China would need a very massive resources used on both Air and Sea asset.

It's always worth remembering that you will need 3 to 1 or 5 to 1 ratio as an attacker to overwhelm your enemy defence, and that ratio does not depends on total number of forces, but the total of deployable force, right now, at this moment, that Force China can deploy is the limit of how many troops they can carry into amphibious assault, that's less than 20,000. It's very clear from Ukraine we can see even Russia is physically bordering Ukraine, they can't commit more than 30% of their troop in that war. And China have a natural barrier with Taiwan, that percentage are going to be severely limited.

its much easier to just bomb their power stations, fuel depots and ports while mining their harbors. Taiwan imports 97% of their energy and 70% of food, so eliminating their capability to import and store food/energy would be absolutely devastating.

Otherwise PLA ground forces main job is to set up SAMs and rocket artillery to hit their critical targets and defend the coast from foreign intervention. PHL-16 has 8x 220 km ranged rockets or 2x 500 km range SRBM.

What's with you and bombing power station?? Did any power stations piss in your cereal or somethings??

As I said, they don't do much because

1.) I am pretty sure Taiwanese Military are all weather military, they can fight at night, and night fighting benefit the defender anyway.

2.) Power Station can be replaced and repaired. Unless you do so continuously, which go back to point 1, why? As it won't give you tactical or strategic advantage.

 

[FuturePAF]

its much easier to just bomb their power stations, fuel depots and ports while mining their harbors. Taiwan imports 97% of their energy and 70% of food, so eliminating their capability to import and store food/energy would be absolutely devastating.

Otherwise PLA ground forces main job is to set up SAMs and rocket artillery to hit their critical targets and defend the coast from foreign intervention. PHL-16 has 8x 220 km ranged rockets or 2x 500 km range SRBM.

I suspect they plan to do a Gulf war 1 style massive bombardment of all key infrastructure followed by a massive invasion of Taiwan doesn’t capitulate. Rocket assisted artillery shells (cheaper and potentially more number outs then Rockets) from the Fujian coast would provide covering fire for landing crafts and help to take out targets of opportunity. With the first few waves being unmanned and using AI and mesh networks, the PLA could afford to loss a lot of attritible platforms before any humans have to get near the island.

 

[Abu Shaleh Rumi]

Ok. Do whatever you want without nuking each other.

 

[FuturePAF]

With the troop concentration and depending on the time Taiwan takes to mobilise its army, Air Assault over Taiwan West Coast is almost out of the question, you are simply feeding small piece of meal into the grinder, by the time you launch an amphibious assault and landed in Taiwanese shore, your Air Assault Force would have been spent or even decimated and at the very least not be able to hold on to their assigned objective, which usually is put into blocking position.

If China tries to take on Taiwan in a kinetic means, they will have to bomb the coast and land start an amphibious operation first, a Seaborne assault is THE ONLY way China can guarantee they can have the most people fighting in the front or beachhead in the first minutes, that will give them the maximum chance to successfully establish a beachhead.

Airborne force or Air Assault would then take Strategic Objective (Like Airport or Command Post) further inland once the Seaborne force confirmed to hold a foothold and can reinforce those force. If China can do that, then China would most likely win in a number game. But to be able to do that, China would need a very massive resources used on both Air and Sea asset.

It's always worth remembering that you will need 3 to 1 or 5 to 1 ratio as an attacker to overwhelm your enemy defence, and that ratio does not depends on total number of forces, but the total of deployable force, right now, at this moment, that Force China can deploy is the limit of how many troops they can carry into amphibious assault, that's less than 20,000. It's very clear from Ukraine we can see even Russia is physically bordering Ukraine, they can't commit more than 30% of their troop in that war. And China have a natural barrier with Taiwan, that percentage are going to be severely limited.


What's with you and bombing power station?? Did any power stations piss in your cereal or somethings??

As I said, they don't do much because

1.) I am pretty sure Taiwanese Military are all weather military, they can fight at night, and night fighting benefit the defender anyway.

2.) Power Station can be replaced and repaired. Unless you do so continuously, which go back to point 1, why? As it won't give you tactical or strategic advantage.

Seaborne assault in the initial wave will be necessary to deal with the mines and getting the ports ready to allow resupply, but closely coordinated air assaults are probably key to taking out key defenders as well as guiding amphibious landing craft into safer landing zones. An intitial air assault will probably also be unmanned; unmanned attack helicopters and possibly AI assault robot transports.

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I agree that the PLA will need massive numbers of landing ships, considering the sea conditions in the Taiwan straits, they will probably needs a ship design like the following, and even then they will probably need at least a 1000 to transport enough men and supplies to overwhelm the Taiwanese. (An added benefit of this design is that it can be built ostensibly for a civilian transport mission, along the coast or on rivers, and even be exported, subsidizing the coast to build and run them, until the flag goes up, when they will be repurposed as military transports very quickly)

 

[Brainsucker]

Seaborne assault in the initial wave will be necessary to deal with the mines and getting the ports ready to allow resupply, but closely coordinated air assaults are probably key to taking out key defenders as well as guiding amphibious landing craft into safer landing zones. An intitial air assault will probably also be unmanned; unmanned attack helicopters and possibly AI assault robot transports.

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A little dog-sized robot made by Ghost Robotics is the breakout star of the Australian Army’s new push on robots and autonomy.

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I agree that the PLA will need massive numbers of landing ships, considering the sea conditions in the Taiwan straits, they will probably needs a ship design like the following, and even then they will probably need at least a 1000 to transport enough men and supplies to overwhelm the Taiwanese.

Actually, they have. Don't only count the number of ships that PLAN have. There are also PLA, and other elements that they can use.

 

[Beast]

First wave, precision strike rocket to take out defence and even fighter jet on ground.
Second wave, airborne crack troops to accomplany by gunship and CAS to secure beach head and important facilities.
Third wave, heavy equipment and more troops landed by sea after further in land gain and landing zone radius fully secure and safe.

 

[Genghis khan1]

But At what cost? Defending Taiwan means Annihilating Chinese Navy and pushing Chinese Army few hundreds KM into main land.

—-> Just realized I already commented / discussed on this thread before.

 

[Beast]

But At what cost? Defending Taiwan means Annihilating Chinese Navy and pushing Chinese Army few hundreds KM into main land.

—-> Just realized I already commented / discussed on this thread before.

Any attempt to try push mainland China in few hundred will be nuclear war. We Chinese not afraid of kamikaze but white American are. They will not willing to perish with Chinese.

There is no defense against hypersonic warhead currently. That means Chinese H-Bomb is shall strike on US soil. If US do nothing against liberation of Taiwan by PRC. Nothing will happened against white American.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Any attempt to try push mainland China in few hundred will be nuclear war. We Chinese not afraid of kamikaze but white American are. They will not willing to perish with Chinese.

There is no defense against hypersonic warhead currently. That means Chinese H-Bomb is shall strike on US soil. If US do nothing against liberation of Taiwan by PRC. Nothing will happened against white American.

Unless Gen Milley is hiding some surprising new technology to disable Chinese defense (i.e surprise deployment of Nukes in 1945) I doubt Taiwan can be defended.

 

[jhungary]

Seaborne assault in the initial wave will be necessary to deal with the mines and getting the ports ready to allow resupply, but closely coordinated air assaults are probably key to taking out key defenders as well as guiding amphibious landing craft into safer landing zones. An intitial air assault will probably also be unmanned; unmanned attack helicopters and possibly AI assault robot transports.

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You will need multiple fronts and multiple beachheads to be able to lodge in Taiwan. Otherwise, you will not have enough troop to hold on to the initial gain. You will need to do a phase line attack after your Seaborne force had landed and secured a foothold for you to launch anything airborne or air assault.

Unmanned platform will help but will not be enough to do the initial first wave, the frontline needs to be very wide in order for you to succeed and you can't control an area that big with solely unmanned platform.

I agree that the PLA will need massive numbers of landing ships, considering the sea conditions in the Taiwan straits, they will probably needs a ship design like the following, and even then they will probably need at least a 1000 to transport enough men and supplies to overwhelm the Taiwanese. (An added benefit of this design is that it can be built ostensibly for a civilian transport mission, along the coast or on rivers, and even be exported, subsidizing the coast to build and run them, until the flag goes up, when they will be repurposed as military transports very quickly)

There are 4 factors you have to established on any amphibious operation.

Sea Control
Security
Support
Troop delivery

A large transport fleet only fill number 4 in this equation. You will need a large support element (From off shore support to on shore support), a large naval contingent, both sub-surface and surface combatant to provide security on the force and enough joint asset to control the sea surrounding the AO (Area of Operation)

China currently has none of them. In fact, for an island the size of Taiwan, I don't even think the US can invade Taiwan successfully if they were to use the entire Asian Asset. The problem with Taiwan is the coast between Taiwan and China provide a very good strategic depth and ROCN is not that incompetent, and they are going to exploit that, on a force level, Taiwan have around 100,000 troop stationed in the West Coast. which mean for China to overwhelm that defence, hey would have to be able to launch an Amphibious Operation that have 3 or 5 times the troop concentration, that cannot be done currently (I don't think even the US, which had the best Amphibious Capability in the world can pull that off)