US to provide military support to Nancy Pelosi's trip to Taiwan: Gen. Milley

[mike2000 is back]

I am disagree here, it will be seen even weaker if China doesnt make strong statement over Pelosi visit.

No body will challenge US for the next one decade in term of military. If Chinese people think CCP should shot down Pelosi plane than Chine citizens are really dumb

What I can say CCP should be seen as regime that act with reasonable thinking by not shooting Pelosi plane. If the communication biro is clever, they should exploit this fact, of course by using non government analysts from universities

Dude, no matter how we try to spin it, it's a huge loss of face for the Chinese leadership and a blunder by their PR team. They announced publicly and almost daily for the past week continously that they will take all measures necessary(including military)against Pelosi visit to Taiwan which is a blatant breach of China's sovereignty . Yet Pelosi still called CCPs bluff and went ahead with the visit with no consequences whatsoever. Lol if that's not a huge slap in the face then I don't know what kinda face Xi Jinping has. Its an humiliation actually and will only show even China's potential allies that if they can't even protect their own core interests and sovereignty then there's no way they can even provide help to them in tile of crisis against a great power like the US.
Can you imagine Pelosi making such a visit to say Crimea after Putins/Russia military ?
The fact of the matter is that she will be far more wary of doing that to Russia, since we know Russia has a record of being aggressive and warlike and an invasive/colonial power, so they can be very volatile and belligerant, since they are the ones usually doing the invasions/agression/provocations not the other way round. Lol In fact if Russia was Chiba, there will be no Taiwan today in the first place, they would have been invaded long ago. Lol

As I said, it was a huge blunder by Xi propaganda machine to hype up this issue and publicly proclaim they will take all measures necessary to deal with Pelosi visit, knowing there is nothing they will do ..we all knew CCP wouldn't do shit to her or any US military escorting her. So I guess CCP thought that threatening military force and coercion was going to stop her trip . They really miscalculated. They have actually embrassed themselves publicly and internationally. Even those i know are pro China adlitted its an embarrassment and loss of face for CCP ..
Kast tile such a senior US official visuted Taiwan was about 30 years ago if i remember well. That's when China was still weak and emerging from maoism and poverty and opening up to the world. Many young Chinese who have grown with a more wealthy powerful image of their country this generation obviously feel dejected i assume, since they actualky believed the CCP will do something drastic against this visit. They have been embarrassed and smacked back to reality which i think is a good thing . I actually support CCP policy of just doing some symbolic sanctions and military exercises to safe face. Afterall, peace is good. There was no point in hyping this issue and not doing shit, thats the only area i would say they messed up.
lool

That might have been a reasonable argument if China had not tried to bully US by officially threatening to shoot down a US congresswomans plane. They should have stated that they are being reasonable before the visit.
Should have had that reasonableness excuse before the visit and threats, instead now that they have been humiliated and their weakness of failing to follow up on their threats laid bare, they said China will not allow Pelosi to land in Taiwan and their military will react, we all are witness to what happened.
Pelosi come, Pelosi go.
Now China can shoot as many rockets as they like, but when her plane was in the air, and two US carriers in the straits, no Chinese plane or ship was ever seen challenging them.
Nobody cares now how many rockets they shoot in the empty waters now.
Murica!

Agree, this has been another humiliation to be honest, not too dufferent from Taiwan strait crises of 1996. Guess just like then, the US is just showing themand countries in the region again who is still the boss in the region. Apart from that i dont see the reason for this visit..

 

[MH.Yang]

Dude, no matter how we try to spin it, it's a huge loss of face for the Chinese leadership and a blunder by their PR team. They announced publicly and almost daily for the past week continously that they will take all measures necessary(including)against Pelosi visit to Taiwan which is a blatant breach of China's sovereignty . Yet Pelosi still called CCPs bluff and went ahead with the visit with no consequences. Lol if that's not a huge slap in the face then I don't know what kinda dace Xi Jinping has. Its an humiliation actually and will only show even China's potential allies that if they can't even protect their own core interests and sovereignty then theres no way they can even provide help to them.
Can you imagine Pelosi making such a visit to say Crimea after Putins/Russia military ?
The fact of the matter is that she will be far more wary of doing that to Russia, since we know Russia has a record of being aggressive and warlike and an invasive/colonial power, so they can be very volatile and belligerant, since they are the ones usually doing the invasions/agression/provocations not the other way round. Lol In fact if Russia was Chiba, there will be no Taiwan today in the first place, they would have been invaded long ago. Lol

As I said, it was a huge blunder by Xi propaganda machine to hype up this issue and publicly proclaim they will take all measures necessary to deal with Pelosi visit, knowing there is nothing they will do ..we all knew CCP wouldn't do shit to her or any US military escorting her. So I guess CCP thought that threatening military force and coercion was going to stop her trip . They really miscalculated. They have actually embrassed themselves publicly and internationally. Even those i know are pro China adlitted its an embarrassment and loss of face for CCP ..
Kast tile such a senior US official visuted Taiwan was about 30 years ago if i remember well. That's when China was still weak and emerging from maoism and poverty and opening up to the world. Many young Chinese who have grown with a more wealthy powerful image of their country this generation obviously feel dejected i assume, since they actualky believed the CCP will do something drastic against this visit. They have been embarrassed and smacked back to reality which i think is a good thing . I actually support CCP policy of just doing some symbolic sanctions and military exercises to safe face. Afterall, peace is good. There was no point in hyping this issue and not doing shit, thats the only area i would say they messed up.
lool


Agree, this has been another humiliation to be honest, not too dufferent from Taiwan strait crises of 1996. Guess just like then, the US is just showing themand countries in the region again who is still the boss in the region. Apart from that i dont see the reason for this visit..

Why do you think China will not launch an economic war against the USA? After all, the current economic situation of the USA is not good.

 

[letsrock]

Dude, no matter how we try to spin it, it's a huge loss of face for the Chinese leadership and a blunder by their PR team. They announced publicly and almost daily for the past week continously that they will take all measures necessary(including military)against Pelosi visit to Taiwan which is a blatant breach of China's sovereignty . Yet Pelosi still called CCPs bluff and went ahead with the visit with no consequences whatsoever. Lol if that's not a huge slap in the face then I don't know what kinda face Xi Jinping has. Its an humiliation actually and will only show even China's potential allies that if they can't even protect their own core interests and sovereignty then there's no way they can even provide help to them in tile of crisis against a great power like the US.
Can you imagine Pelosi making such a visit to say Crimea after Putins/Russia military ?
The fact of the matter is that she will be far more wary of doing that to Russia, since we know Russia has a record of being aggressive and warlike and an invasive/colonial power, so they can be very volatile and belligerant, since they are the ones usually doing the invasions/agression/provocations not the other way round. Lol In fact if Russia was Chiba, there will be no Taiwan today in the first place, they would have been invaded long ago. Lol

As I said, it was a huge blunder by Xi propaganda machine to hype up this issue and publicly proclaim they will take all measures necessary to deal with Pelosi visit, knowing there is nothing they will do ..we all knew CCP wouldn't do shit to her or any US military escorting her. So I guess CCP thought that threatening military force and coercion was going to stop her trip . They really miscalculated. They have actually embrassed themselves publicly and internationally. Even those i know are pro China adlitted its an embarrassment and loss of face for CCP ..
Kast tile such a senior US official visuted Taiwan was about 30 years ago if i remember well. That's when China was still weak and emerging from maoism and poverty and opening up to the world. Many young Chinese who have grown with a more wealthy powerful image of their country this generation obviously feel dejected i assume, since they actualky believed the CCP will do something drastic against this visit. They have been embarrassed and smacked back to reality which i think is a good thing . I actually support CCP policy of just doing some symbolic sanctions and military exercises to safe face. Afterall, peace is good. There was no point in hyping this issue and not doing shit, thats the only area i would say they messed up.
lool


Agree, this has been another humiliation to be honest, not too dufferent from Taiwan strait crises of 1996. Guess just like then, the US is just showing themand countries in the region again who is still the boss in the region. Apart from that i dont see the reason for this visit..

dude - you are way over hyping this "loss of face" and "humilation" trope. these are racist carcatures of eastern asian people that they irrationally cling to "face" or whatever.
In the end it was distinctly possible that pelosi cancelled the trip too. then would you have gone tom tomming about loss of face for usa - i dont think so. People would just forget and move on.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

China is flexing its military muscle That old witch named Pelosi opened a bandora box.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555165471145689090

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555084864897961984

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555131927463485440

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555137833572204545

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555103018080563201

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555091519127764993

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555168548036771840

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555200575305809920

 

[MajesticPug]

China supports Russia war narrative.
The NATO expansion is the root of Russia war against Ukraine.

So, your logic goes 'My way or the highway'? China can't stay neutral? You're more bully than the Americans.

 

[Yaoudelizard]

You dont know me hence why you're fantasising about me. Im inside your head, rent free. Lol

Who cares how the US media will spin it? They can spin whatever they want and people like you sop it up! The fact would be obvious that no aircraft was targetted and US would be quick to deescalate. Also a deterrence would be finally set by the Chinese, much like how the Iranians have done. Your idea would just be China setting some boats for US navy to swim around, because you're a cuck and you know it.


Na he's a white down and out murican.

I don’t need to know you to know you’re a man child throwing a temper tantrum over an argument over the internet.

You’re suggesting a preemptive attack on Taiwan as a deterrence is a good idea, you must be dumb as the politicians in charge of America. It absolutely matters how the media can spin it, a preemptive attack would put China clearly in the wrong and as an aggressor, feeding into the establish media rhetoric. Nancy then can go prance around to all the other Asian countries saying China is the aggressive one they attacked Taiwan unprovoked. Do you not understand how propaganda and public perception works?

Now 2 days later with China surround of Taiwan, none of the other Asian neighbours she visited except Japan support her stance. They are not saying a peep to China about what they’re doing. We can see in real time how wrong you are. After the visit, China gained the justification for retaliatory action and dismantled cross strait norms that it had to abide by before. From now on China can routinely violate Taiwanese airspace and coastal waters without objection. If China preemptively attacked Taiwan like you suggested, then Pelosi would have been able to rally all the southeast Asians and Koreans against China, but now nobody is willing to back her. Dude is it that hard to admit your idea was bad?

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

I don’t need to know you to know you’re a man child throwing a temper tantrum over an argument over the internet.

You’re suggesting a preemptive attack on Taiwan as a deterrence is a good idea, you must be dumb as the politicians in charge of America. It absolutely matters how the media can spin it, a preemptive attack would put China clearly in the wrong and as an aggressor, feeding into the establish media rhetoric. Nancy then can go prance around to all the other Asian countries saying China is the aggressive one they attacked Taiwan unprovoked. Do you not understand how propaganda and public perception works?

Now 2 days later with China surround of Taiwan, none of the other Asian neighbours she visited except Japan support her stance. They are not saying a peep to China about what they’re doing. We can see in real time how wrong you are. After the visit, China gained the justification for retaliatory action and dismantled cross strait norms that it had to abide by before. From now on China can routinely violate Taiwanese airspace and coastal waters without objection. If China preemptively attacked Taiwan like you suggested, then Pelosi would have been able to rally all the southeast Asians and Koreans against China, but now nobody is willing to back her. Dude is it that hard to admit your idea was bad?

Ugh you're still here? Licked your wounds and now you feel brave again? You would never say this to my face that's for sure lol

You're also absolutely naive. US media pumps our propaganda every single day, if the US media had its way we would be in world war 5 by now. But American public still dont unanimously tow the line with many of the foreign policy issues. Americans are still unsure about the Ukraine war, question why they pay Israel so much money for nothing in return or why US is creating enemies out of countries like Iran. The public is split on many of these issues and alway will be. Someone from the American public will hate china for retaliation, others will show the hypocrisy and provocation of the Biden government in this. That means the impact of the media is very limited. Youre so simple minded, which we have established, so it makes wonder why you came back and carried this on. I clearly know more about this than you do.

You're contradicting yourself. You're saying that everyone is happy for China to surround Taiwan and simulate an invasion, but a couple of precision rocket attacks on a landing strip would tip the balance so drastically and start WW3? Lol Surely, by principle, the neighbours of China ought to be just as upset with China surrounding Taiwan and simulating an invasion with live fire, and they would come and show force to China. But, as you say, they're coy about Pelosi's visit and legitimising's reaction. How can a couple of missiles on a runway change that? If anything it would be stronger message and they would call for calm. However the magnitude of manure crammed into your head has stopped you from seeing how contradictory and illogical you sound.

When they see a direct and targeted missile stike on a runway it would pack an even stronger punch in the message of how serious China is, without killing anyone or engaging in a direct war with US. Everyone would rush to de-escalate after that. Pelosi would have left with egg on her face too, and so would the US because they clearly dont want to engage China.

Is it that hard to see youre a weak minded individual who can't forumlate a cojent argument?

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Dude, no matter how we try to spin it, it's a huge loss of face for the Chinese leadership and a blunder by their PR team. They announced publicly and almost daily for the past week continously that they will take all measures necessary(including military)against Pelosi visit to Taiwan which is a blatant breach of China's sovereignty . Yet Pelosi still called CCPs bluff and went ahead with the visit with no consequences whatsoever.

Are you blind? As we speak, China is simulating how easy it would be for it to invade Taiwan. China has surrounded Taiwan and it doesnt look like uncle sam is gonna be doing any macho shows of strength. China never said it would shoot down or even engage US...it said it reserved the right to take every step necessary, so we have to see what is necessary and what is steps it can realistically do. Shooting down the plane, as tempting as it was, was never on the cards...but the plane could have been prevented if China wanted, without any casualties...though it seems China wanted the plane to land so they have the excuse to surround Taiwan. Nevertheless, the Pelosi visit has given the green light to China to blockade at will and escalate from there...which will be very bad for taiwan going forward....and the response from regional allies have been muted in supporting Pelosi. No bluff was called, China has done the best it can do and Taiwan is in big trouble.

 

[Yaoudelizard]

Ugh you're still here? Licked your wounds and now you feel brave again? You would never say this to my face that's for sure lol

You're also absolutely naive. US media pumps our propaganda every single day, if the US media had its way we would be in world war 5 by now. But American public still dont unanimously tow the line with many of the foreign policy issues. Americans are still unsure about the Ukraine war, question why they pay Israel so much money for nothing in return or why US is creating enemies out of countries like Iran. The public is split on many of these issues and alway will be. Someone from the American public will hate china for retaliation, others will show the hypocrisy and provocation of the Biden government in this. That means the impact of the media is very limited. Youre so simple minded, which we have established, so it makes wonder why you came back and carried this on. I clearly know more about this than you do.

You're contradicting yourself. You're saying that everyone is happy for China to surround Taiwan and simulate an invasion, but a couple of precision rocket attacks on a landing strip would tip the balance so drastically and start WW3? Lol Surely, by principle, the neighbours of China ought to be just as upset with China surrounding Taiwan and simulating an invasion with live fire, and they would come and show force to China. But, as you say, they're coy about Pelosi's visit and legitimising's reaction. How can a couple of missiles on a runway change that? If anything it would be stronger message and they would call for calm. However the magnitude of manure crammed into your head has stopped you from seeing how contradictory and illogical you sound.

When they see a direct and targeted missile stike on a runway it would pack an even stronger punch in the message of how serious China is, without killing anyone or engaging in a direct war with US. Everyone would rush to de-escalate after that. Pelosi would have left with egg on her face too, and so would the US because they clearly dont want to engage China.

Is it that hard to see youre a weak minded individual who can't forumlate a cojent argument?

So you wanna fight now over an internet argument? What’s your actual mental age, can’t be higher than 15. You act like you don’t like it but why are you responding every time? Cause you’re a drama queen?

I know how the American propaganda works, it got America into 20+ wars after ww2. You’re either naive or pretending to be ignorant about the impact that American propaganda has on the conflicts of the 21st century.

Yes, preemptively striking Taiwan is absolutely different than retaliatory action in response to actions by Taiwan and America. If someone threatens to rob you and you shoot them because threatened you, it’s completely different than shooting at someone that’s robbing you. It’s such a simple concept I’m sure you already understand, but your damaged pride won’t let you admit it.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

So you wanna fight now over an internet argument? What’s your actual mental age, can’t be higher than 15. You act like you don’t like it but why are you responding every time? Cause you’re a drama queen?

I know how the American propaganda works, it got America into 20+ wars after ww2. You’re either naive or pretending to be ignorant about the impact that American propaganda has on the conflicts of the 21st century.

Yes, preemptively striking Taiwan is absolutely different than retaliatory action in response to actions by Taiwan and America. If someone threatens to rob you and you shoot them because threatened you, it’s completely different than shooting at someone that’s robbing you. It’s such a simple concept I’m sure you already understand, but your damaged pride won’t let you admit it.

Missed the part where I asked for a fight...just pointing facts that a sofa soldier like you would never speak like this in person. Just stating a fact. Why are you so bothered about having the last word, screams insecurity and a desire for a way out of this.

Stop living in the past, you simpleton. Yes US used to be a lot of things but they dont have the same impact as before. Countries like Iran, Venezuela, China do as they please and they even have their own media which counters American MSM. Even within US, you have youtubers and bloggers from all sides of the political spectrum ripping into American media on how dishonest they are.

China gets to decide who can land in the One China that everyone agreed to. Taiwan is rebelling and inaction will just allow a very powerful enemy on Chinas maritime border. US are the masters of preemptive strikes and they work, and China is in a position that they can excerpt that sort of power. Stop using disanalogies and false equivocations, China is a sovereign nation engaged in international relations, the rules are different.

 

[Yaoudelizard]

Missed the part where I asked for a fight...just pointing facts that a sofa soldier like you would never speak like this in person. Just stating a fact. Why are you so bothered about having the last word, screams insecurity and a desire for a way out of this.

Stop living in the past, you simpleton. Yes US used to be a lot of things but they dont have the same impact as before. Countries like Iran, Venezuela, China do as they please and they even have their own media which counters American MSM. Even within US, you have youtubers and bloggers from all sides of the political spectrum ripping into American media on how dishonest they are.

China gets to decide who can land in the One China that everyone agreed to. Taiwan is rebelling and inaction will just allow a very powerful enemy on Chinas maritime border. US are the masters of preemptive strikes and they work, and China is in a position that they can excerpt that sort of power. Stop using disanalogies and false equivocations, China is a sovereign nation engaged in international relations, the rules are different.

What discussion politics with other people? I’ll talk with whoever is interested, not my fault you’re taking it personally. I’m not the one that’s pretending to dislike this conversation and coming back for more, you are. It’s like your little ego won’t let you accept that you’re wrong.

China is not America, preemptive unilateral strikes and invasions is not what a sane country with a competent leadership does. America has created many enemies over the years that are just waiting to stab them in the back. Much of the world’s issues with terrorism and regional instability was because of unilateral American actions. America acts like a psychopath so China must do the same? Right now China just changed the status quo regarding it’s Taiwan policy with minimal resistance from the inside and neighbouring countries, while Pelosi is getting cold shoulders and lip service from every other country she visits. What you’re saying is being proven wrong every single second.

Second, it’s obvious that it’s American strategy to push for confrontation as soon a possible while China’s third carrier is barely even operational. It won’t be until 2030 till China gets its nuclear carrier. You’re just impulsive and short sighted much like the Americans.

 

[northeast]

Dude, no matter how we try to spin it, it's a huge loss of face for the Chinese leadership and a blunder by their PR team. They announced publicly and almost daily for the past week continously that they will take all measures necessary(including military)against Pelosi visit to Taiwan which is a blatant breach of China's sovereignty . Yet Pelosi still called CCPs bluff and went ahead with the visit with no consequences whatsoever. Lol if that's not a huge slap in the face then I don't know what kinda face Xi Jinping has. Its an humiliation actually and will only show even China's potential allies that if they can't even protect their own core interests and sovereignty then there's no way they can even provide help to them in tile of crisis against a great power like the US.
Can you imagine Pelosi making such a visit to say Crimea after Putins/Russia military ?
The fact of the matter is that she will be far more wary of doing that to Russia, since we know Russia has a record of being aggressive and warlike and an invasive/colonial power, so they can be very volatile and belligerant, since they are the ones usually doing the invasions/agression/provocations not the other way round. Lol In fact if Russia was Chiba, there will be no Taiwan today in the first place, they would have been invaded long ago. Lol

As I said, it was a huge blunder by Xi propaganda machine to hype up this issue and publicly proclaim they will take all measures necessary to deal with Pelosi visit, knowing there is nothing they will do ..we all knew CCP wouldn't do shit to her or any US military escorting her. So I guess CCP thought that threatening military force and coercion was going to stop her trip . They really miscalculated. They have actually embrassed themselves publicly and internationally. Even those i know are pro China adlitted its an embarrassment and loss of face for CCP ..
Kast tile such a senior US official visuted Taiwan was about 30 years ago if i remember well. That's when China was still weak and emerging from maoism and poverty and opening up to the world. Many young Chinese who have grown with a more wealthy powerful image of their country this generation obviously feel dejected i assume, since they actualky believed the CCP will do something drastic against this visit. They have been embarrassed and smacked back to reality which i think is a good thing . I actually support CCP policy of just doing some symbolic sanctions and military exercises to safe face. Afterall, peace is good. There was no point in hyping this issue and not doing shit, thats the only area i would say they messed up.
lool


Agree, this has been another humiliation to be honest, not too dufferent from Taiwan strait crises of 1996. Guess just like then, the US is just showing themand countries in the region again who is still the boss in the region. Apart from that i dont see the reason for this visit..

What did the fact pelosi visited taiwan have changed？Nothing but his personal show. Now china have military drills blocking the entire taiwan,shooting missiles across taiwan,completely ignored the middle line of taiwan strait and the territorial water that taiwan claims，sanction pelosi. What could china do more except launching a war? Shooting down pelosi's plane? That may cause a real war. We prefer to choose the time to start a war ourselves,not chosed by pelosi.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

What discussion politics with other people? I’ll talk with whoever is interested, not my fault you’re taking it personally. I’m not the one that’s pretending to dislike this conversation and coming back for more, you are. It’s like your little ego won’t let you accept that you’re wrong.

China is not America, preemptive unilateral strikes and invasions is not what a sane country with a competent leadership does. America has created many enemies over the years that are just waiting to stab them in the back. Much of the world’s issues with terrorism and regional instability was because of unilateral American actions. America acts like a psychopath so China must do the same? Right now China just changed the status quo regarding it’s Taiwan policy with minimal resistance from the inside and neighbouring countries, while Pelosi is getting cold shoulders and lip service from every other country she visits. What you’re saying is being proven wrong every single second.

Second, it’s obvious that it’s American strategy to push for confrontation as soon a possible while China’s third carrier is barely even operational. It won’t be until 2030 till China gets its nuclear carrier. You’re just impulsive and short sighted much like the Americans.

Are you that dense or were you just projecting your own prepubescent beta male tendencies? I was obviously referring to your macho talk, not political discussion. Yeah the same reason I will reply to whoever I please and by questioning why I'm replying to you just stinks of someone who wants a way out of this...and I'm not gonna give it to you. Who said I'm not enjoying this...I've got you where I want which is why I'm coming back to reply to you. I mean, I could easily say that youre returning to this convo because "you know you're wrong" or "yOu HaVe eGo". Grow up lol!

China is very close to being on par with America, so much so that it has the ability and inalienable right to protect its borders and spheres of influence, as enshrined by UN agreements. I guess UN agreements are only applicable when the US is making a point? The world isn't like that any more, the west has to live by the agreemens it has signed otherwise nobody will follow the international rules based order which they are trying set up. You are also mad if you think the arming of terrorists, false flags and having bases around the globe is akin to what China is doing, which is merely keeping US from building a hostile military rump state on its border. The rebellion of Taiwan against China is in itself a provocation and could amount to war.

All I'm saying is China could and should have stopped the plane from landing, and nobody need have died and no war would have started. China would have merely been excercising its right of enforcing One China policy, international law would have been on their side and political response would have reflected that...as opposed to start WW3 which would not happen like that lol. What is China doing now? Yes they will encircle the island, throw a few missiles, then **** off back to China and US will laugh...therefore, so far it is YOU who is being proven wrong with your weak minded attitude.

Grow up, battle carriers and ships are a thing of the past. They can be sunk assymetrically by China so easily! You are living in the 70s lol that said China has an advanced navy which is bigger than America's and nowhere near as stretched. You dont even have basic military knowledge, let along any sort of vision or impulse that I'd care to comment about.