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I wrote this post a few days ago https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-growler-planes-ever-lost-control-from-chinese-jamming.678767/
and Today it become valid from the reliable anchor.

This is called Chinese surprise to the US in south china
after this incident, we are now seeing new sanction on china to understand what type of weapons china contains
https://theintercept.com/2020/08/06/the-filthy-hypocrisy-of-americas-clean-china-free-internet/

Hi,

Simpleton's analysis---.

It was done intentionally by the US---. Now the US will analyze and overcome the issue if it is important enough---.

What an idiotic video---.
 
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Hi,

Simpleton's analysis---.

It was done intentionally by the US---. Now the US will analyze and overcome the issue if it is important enough---.

What an idiotic video---.
my rational point to this video,why US stop its continuous provocative military actions in the South China Sea suddenly? I don't see any other reason but the US power is exposed after this attack.
 
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I wrote this post a few days ago https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-growler-planes-ever-lost-control-from-chinese-jamming.678767/
and Today it become valid from the reliable anchor.

This is called Chinese surprise to the US in south china
after this incident, we are now seeing new sanction on china to understand what type of weapons china contains
https://theintercept.com/2020/08/06/the-filthy-hypocrisy-of-americas-clean-china-free-internet/
This is a case of ill-informed journalism actually - a Pakistani anchor picked on a dubious and unreliable account and transformed into a story for national consumption. Do not assume that Pakistani anchors get everything right - even some of the most well-known do not. They mainly care about ratings.

Yes, China have installed fixed jamming systems in its military bases in SCS but this is not a unique development (multiple military bases around the world have similar arrangements). Implied effectiveness of such jamming systems, is completely overblown and thoroughly debunked by experts of the field.

The anchor has no idea about capabilities of EA-18G Growler - one of the least discussed and explained aircraft out there, and for good reason. Should the situation call for it, this aircraft can easily take care of those fixed jamming systems. And multiple aircraft would be involved. Airborne jamming platforms have advantage over fixed jamming platforms - China have also developed one. However, USA have fielded multiple platforms by now.

USN conducted a very ambitious military drill in the South China Sea in this year; this was not a casual show of force. Those fixed jamming systems failed to do anything, right?

Anybody who is taking American military might for granted in conventional warfare spectrum, is in for a rude awakening. Our nationalism should not blind us.

my rational point to this video,why US stop its continuous provocative military actions in the South China Sea suddenly? I don't see any other reason but the US power is exposed after this attack.
The opposite is true. US have done much more provocations in this year.

However, this is a region where US does not have a legitimate claim or stake.
 
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This is a case of ill-informed journalism actually - a Pakistani anchor picked on a dubious and unreliable account and transformed into a story for national consumption. Do not assume that Pakistani anchors get everything right - even some of the most well-known do not. They mainly care about ratings.

Yes, China have installed fixed jamming systems in its military bases in SCS but this is not a unique development (multiple military bases around the world have similar arrangements). Implied effectiveness of such jamming systems, is completely overblown and thoroughly debunked by experts of the field.

The anchor has no idea about capabilities of EA-18G Growler - one of the least discussed and explained aircraft out there, and for good reason. Should the situation call for it, this aircraft can easily take care of those fixed jamming systems. And multiple aircraft would be involved. Airborne jamming platforms have advantage over fixed jamming platforms - China have also developed one. However, USA have fielded multiple platforms by now.

USN conducted a very ambitious military drill in the South China Sea in this year; this was not a casual show of force. Those fixed jamming systems failed to do anything, right?

Anybody who is taking American military might for granted in conventional warfare spectrum, is in for a rude awakening. Our nationalism should not blind us.


The opposite is true. US have done much more provocations in this year.

However, this is a region where US does not have a legitimate claim or stake.
Thanks. You and @MastanKhan are both clearly very knowledgeable on military matters. MastanKhan in addition gives us a healthy dose of cynicism to add to our learning experience.
 
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Thanks. You and @MastanKhan are both clearly very knowledgeable on military matters. MastanKhan in addition gives us a healthy dose of cynicism to add to our learning experience.
You humble me, brother.

I have provided 'elementary explanation' in my post - not expanding on this matter further.

I am also looking at this matter from Moderation standpoint - to caution members about dubious sources (Pakistani anchor can be forgiven) because RULES are not be applied selectively.

Nationalism is good but technology is a theme which should be analyzed in fairness/objectively. There are numerous ground realities of the world which will be in conflict with an individual's nationalistic views in some way or form.
 
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This is a case of ill-informed journalism actually - a Pakistani anchor picked on a dubious and unreliable account and transformed into a story for national consumption. Do not assume that Pakistani anchors get everything right - even some of the most well-known do not. They mainly care about ratings.

Yes, China have installed fixed jamming systems in its military bases in SCS but this is not a unique development (multiple military bases around the world have similar arrangements). Implied effectiveness of such jamming systems, is completely overblown and thoroughly debunked by experts of the field.

The anchor has no idea about capabilities of EA-18G Growler - one of the least discussed and explained aircraft out there, and for good reason. Should the situation call for it, this aircraft can easily take care of those fixed jamming systems. And multiple aircraft would be involved. Airborne jamming platforms have advantage over fixed jamming platforms - China have also developed one. However, USA have fielded multiple platforms by now.

USN conducted a very ambitious military drill in the South China Sea in this year; this was not a casual show of force. Those fixed jamming systems failed to do anything, right?

Anybody who is taking American military might for granted in conventional warfare spectrum, is in for a rude awakening. Our nationalism should not blind us.

There was a term used in the 1990s to describe such journalists: mediots. This happens a lot when journalists report on military matters like the journalist above, who often gets his facts wrong or doesn't understand the context of said facts. Usually, these things should be reported by journalists who are experts in this area.
 
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Hi,

Simpleton's analysis---.

It was done intentionally by the US---. Now the US will analyze and overcome the issue if it is important enough---.

What an idiotic video---.

Same goes with war games like Red Flag, where USAF competes with opposing air forces, letting them win in order to ascertain intelligence like tactics.
 
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This is a case of ill-informed journalism actually - a Pakistani anchor picked on a dubious and unreliable account and transformed into a story for national consumption. Do not assume that Pakistani anchors get everything right - even some of the most well-known do not. They mainly care about ratings.

Yes, China have installed fixed jamming systems in its military bases in SCS but this is not a unique development (multiple military bases around the world have similar arrangements). Implied effectiveness of such jamming systems, is completely overblown and thoroughly debunked by experts of the field.
The anchor has no idea about capabilities of EA-18G Growler - one of the least discussed and explained aircraft out there, and for good reason. Should the situation call for it, this aircraft can easily take care of those fixed jamming systems. And multiple aircraft would be involved. Airborne jamming platforms have an advantage over fixed jamming platforms - China have also developed one. However, the USA has fielded multiple platforms by now.

USN conducted a very ambitious military drill in the South China Sea in this year; this was not a casual show of force. Those fixed jamming systems failed to do anything, right?

Anybody who is taking American military might for granted in conventional warfare spectrum, is in for a rude awakening. Our nationalism should not blind us.


The opposite is true. US have done much more provocations in this year.

However, this is a region where US does not have a legitimate claim or stake.
Thanks for your input, and you have much in-depth knowledge. I learned very little or say nothing about avionics during my work at the Thales R&D sector and pick some info here and there while working on the project.EA-18G Growler, a two-seat variant of the carrier-capable F/A-18F Super Hornet Block II, provides the Navy's main airborne EA and SEAD capability. The EA-18G combines the Super Hornet's capability with the latest AEA avionics suite evolved from the Improved Capability III (ICAP III) system of the EA-6B Prowler.The EA-18G's vast array of sensors and weapons provides a lethal and survivable weapon system to counter current and emerging threats. Its primary mission is to detect and jam enemy radars.The Block 1 Growler is equipped with up to three AN/ALQ-99 radar jamming pods, together with an AN/ALQ-218(V)2 receiver and a Raytheon AN/ALQ-227 communications countermeasures system, both of which are mounted on what would be the gun bay of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. The AN/ALQ-99 receivers are installed in the tail of the aircraft and the AN/ALQ-99 pod houses the exciters and the high radiated power jamming transmitters.Block 2. The upgrades provided an advanced APG-79 radar that delivers improved target-location cueing. Software upgrades were also included in the block.This version is fitted with the AN/APG-79 multi-mode radar with passive detection mode and active radar suppression, ALQ-218(V)2 digital radar warning receiver and ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser.The APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar provides air-to-air and air-to-ground capability with detection, targeting, tracking and protection modes. The interleaved radar modes include real beam-mapping mode and synthetic aperture radar mode with air-to-air search, air-to-air tracking, sea surface search and ground moving target indication (GMTI) and tracking. The radar has an advanced four-channel receiver-exciter which provides wide bandwidth capability and the ability to generate a wide range of waveforms for electronic warfare, air-to-air and air-to-ground operation. It also has the ability to operate in multiple air-to-air and air-to-ground modes simultaneously. The multi-mission advanced tactical terminal (MATT) allows for satellite communications.
The NGJ is the next step in the evolution of airborne electronic attack (AEA). the NGJ is necessary to meet current and emerging EW gaps, ensure kill chain unity against growing threat capabilities and capacity, and keep pace with threat weapons systems advances and continuous expansion of the AEA mission area.
There are risks, including the integration of the NGJ with the EA-18G and the potential for electromagnetic radiation to affect the reliability of missiles carried by aircraft.
Well, China has the ability and achieved quite a handsome expertise in the full electromagnetic spectrum and build complete EW, and this is a threat that the US is very much scared from china. Maybe this attack gives them an idea of how to improve themself to counter China.
 
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i think china is still behind u.s in military capability,u.s has detected these areas where china has installed such equipment like jammers and they can destroy these jammers by cyber attacks or counter electronic attack measures by using microwaves to disrupt electric supply for running these jammers so better not underestimate u.s capability,china will take atleast a decade to match u.s military capability
 
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my rational point to this video,why US stop its continuous provocative military actions in the South China Sea suddenly? I don't see any other reason but the US power is exposed after this attack.

Hi,

Never ever underestimate the deceit deception and technical prowess of the americans when it come to weapons---.

The chinese are testing their equipment as well and there is a reason behind it as well.
 
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It was done intentionally by the US---. Now the US will analyze and overcome the issue if it is important enough---.

Why would USA intentionally do it then analyse the self created issue to overcome it?
 
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Hi,

Simpleton's analysis---.

It was done intentionally by the US---. Now the US will analyze and overcome the issue if it is important enough---.

What an idiotic video---.

Is this also an idiotic report?

Beijing Reportedly Installs Communications Jamming Equipment In South China Sea

April 10, 20187:03 AM ET
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China has placed equipment designed to jam communications on a barren outpost in the South China Sea — a move apparently aimed at bolstering its dominance in a region where it has pushed extensive territorial claims with its maritime neighbors, The Wall Street Journal reports, quoting U.S. officials.

According to the newspaper:

"A U.S. Defense Department official, describing the finding, said: 'China has deployed military jamming equipment to its Spratly Island outposts.'

The U.S. assessment is supported by a photo taken last month by the commercial satellite company DigitalGlobe and provided to The Wall Street Journal. It shows a suspected jammer system with its antenna extended on Mischief Reef, one of seven Spratly outcrops where China has built fortified artificial islands since 2014, moving sand onto rocks and reefs and paving them over with concrete."


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As The Diplomat, a website that covers the Asia-Pacific region, writes, "It's unclear if the U.S. assessment is backed by other forms of intelligence or imagery alone; the resolution of the commercial imagery is insufficient to definitively substantiate the nature of the equipment, but the U.S. military added an inset showing the kind of equipment it expects has been deployed."

A spokesperson for China's Ministry of Defense declined Tuesday to directly respond to the report, but said the Spratly Islands — which are also claimed by Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines — are "Chinese territory."

"China's stationing of troops and deployment of facilities for homeland defense on the islands and reefs is the natural right of a sovereign nation," Senior Col. Ren Guoqiang said. "It is helpful to protecting national sovereignty and security, to keeping maritime lines of communication open and safe, and to safeguarding regional peace and stability."

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Map showing overlapping territorial claims in the South China Sea.

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"It is not aimed at any particular nation. China will resolutely stick to the path of peaceful development and pursue a defensive national defense policy and proactively defensive military strategy," he added.

The electronic jamming equipment would be consistent with a 2016 U.S. Department of Defense report that said China's People's Liberation Army views such electronic warfare as a "force multiplier" and "would likely employ it in support of all combat arms and services during a conflict."

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China sees the South China Sea and its islands and rightful sphere of influence, "dovetailing with its newly reclaimed role of East Asia's dominant power. Also at stake: a strategic waterway with massive oil and gas reserves that potentially could help fuel China's energy-hungry industries and towns," as we have written previously.

NPR's Anthony Kuhn wrote last month that "In recent years, China has reclaimed land on some of the islands and has installed airstrips, hangars and weapons systems, despite Chinese leaders' pledges not to militarize the islands. Vietnam and the Philippines have also built on some contested islands in the area, but to a far lesser extent."

China's muscle flexing has brought the U.S. and Chinese navies into increasingly close and frequently uncomfortable contact, including Cold-War-style cat-and-mouse games in the region that have increased international tensions.
 
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Hi,

Simpleton's analysis---.

It was done intentionally by the US---. Now the US will analyze and overcome the issue if it is important enough---.

What an idiotic video---.

Hello.

Is this also an idiotic report?

China has jamming equipment in the South China Sea — and the US may 'not look kindly on it'

Alex Lockie
Apr 18, 2018, 1:11 PM

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An EA-18G Growler assigned to the "Rooks" of Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 137 launches from the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) on February 28, 2018.
US Navy/Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Kaysee Lohmann

  • The US Navy's USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier has reached the Philippines, and it looks like China has jamming equipment in the South China Sea.
  • Beijing has built and militarized artificial islands in the South China Sea, and is extremely touchy about US Navy ships sailing around them despite their legal status as lying in international waters.
  • While jamming isn't anywhere near shooting, the provocative activity "could lead to an escalatory pattern that could be negative for both sides," and the US will "not look kindly" on the practice, according to an expert.


The US Navy's USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier has reached the Philippines, and reports from pilots on board the ship paint a troubling picture of growing tensions with China.

US officials told the Wall Street Journal early in April that intelligence officers detected China moving radar and communications jamming equipment to the South China Sea.

In addition to building and militarizing islands in the South China Sea, Beijing stands accused of encroaching on the Philippines' territorial waters, something recently exacerbated by the reported appearance of Chinese military planes on a reef near the island nation.

Part of the Roosevelt's mission in the Philippines was to demonstrate that if China crossed the line, the US, the Philippines's ally, would have its back.

And it would likely be obvious to a US pilot if China was jamming their equipment.

"The mere fact that some of your equipment is not working is already an indication that someone is trying to jam you. And so we have an answer to that," a pilot flying an EA-18G Growler, the US Navy's electronic attack version of the F-18 carrier-based fighter jet, told GMA News Online.

Jamming 'can be dangerous'

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Map shows China's maritime border claims and the islands it has moved to claim.
CSIS/Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative


"This is not something that the US will look kindly on or think they can overlook." Omar Lamrani, a military analyst at geopolitical consulting firm Stratfor, told Business Insider, when asked about a potential jamming. "The US will likely seek to counter this in some way."

While Lamrani said that jamming "can be dangerous" if it targets navigation or communication systems, the US Navy's electronic attack aircraft can likely more than handle the challenge.

"The Growler is a very capable machine," Lamrani said. "I doubt the Chinese can really affect that aircraft that much. This type of system will try to annoy them and interfere with them, but I don’t really think it will create a safety issues."

But while manned aircraft can usually fight back against signal jamming, and pilots in a cockpit can always use their own judgment if communications or navigation is lost, jamming could pose a serious threat to the US Navy's drones, as there's no one in the cockpit, according to Lamrani.

If China is jamming US Navy aircraft flying in international airspace at sea, it serve as yet another sign that Beijing may disregard international law and norms to defend its South China Sea land grab.

According to Lamrani, while jamming isn't anywhere near shooting, the provocative activity "could lead to an escalatory pattern that could be negative for both sides."

Editor's note: An original version of this story incorrectly stated that the EA-18G Growler pilot had experienced jamming in the Pacific or was able to confirm that jamming equipment existed. This article has been changed to report that the pilot generally described what jamming would be like.
 
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Hello.

Is this also an idiotic report?

China has jamming equipment in the South China Sea — and the US may 'not look kindly on it'

Alex Lockie
Apr 18, 2018, 1:11 PM

5ad77c300b0b9226008b4768

An EA-18G Growler assigned to the "Rooks" of Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 137 launches from the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) on February 28, 2018.
US Navy/Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Kaysee Lohmann

  • The US Navy's USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier has reached the Philippines, and it looks like China has jamming equipment in the South China Sea.
  • Beijing has built and militarized artificial islands in the South China Sea, and is extremely touchy about US Navy ships sailing around them despite their legal status as lying in international waters.
  • While jamming isn't anywhere near shooting, the provocative activity "could lead to an escalatory pattern that could be negative for both sides," and the US will "not look kindly" on the practice, according to an expert.


The US Navy's USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier has reached the Philippines, and reports from pilots on board the ship paint a troubling picture of growing tensions with China.

US officials told the Wall Street Journal early in April that intelligence officers detected China moving radar and communications jamming equipment to the South China Sea.

In addition to building and militarizing islands in the South China Sea, Beijing stands accused of encroaching on the Philippines' territorial waters, something recently exacerbated by the reported appearance of Chinese military planes on a reef near the island nation.

Part of the Roosevelt's mission in the Philippines was to demonstrate that if China crossed the line, the US, the Philippines's ally, would have its back.

And it would likely be obvious to a US pilot if China was jamming their equipment.

"The mere fact that some of your equipment is not working is already an indication that someone is trying to jam you. And so we have an answer to that," a pilot flying an EA-18G Growler, the US Navy's electronic attack version of the F-18 carrier-based fighter jet, told GMA News Online.

Jamming 'can be dangerous'

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Map shows China's maritime border claims and the islands it has moved to claim.
CSIS/Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative


"This is not something that the US will look kindly on or think they can overlook." Omar Lamrani, a military analyst at geopolitical consulting firm Stratfor, told Business Insider, when asked about a potential jamming. "The US will likely seek to counter this in some way."

While Lamrani said that jamming "can be dangerous" if it targets navigation or communication systems, the US Navy's electronic attack aircraft can likely more than handle the challenge.

"The Growler is a very capable machine," Lamrani said. "I doubt the Chinese can really affect that aircraft that much. This type of system will try to annoy them and interfere with them, but I don’t really think it will create a safety issues."

But while manned aircraft can usually fight back against signal jamming, and pilots in a cockpit can always use their own judgment if communications or navigation is lost, jamming could pose a serious threat to the US Navy's drones, as there's no one in the cockpit, according to Lamrani.

If China is jamming US Navy aircraft flying in international airspace at sea, it serve as yet another sign that Beijing may disregard international law and norms to defend its South China Sea land grab.

According to Lamrani, while jamming isn't anywhere near shooting, the provocative activity "could lead to an escalatory pattern that could be negative for both sides."

Editor's note: An original version of this story incorrectly stated that the EA-18G Growler pilot had experienced jamming in the Pacific or was able to confirm that jamming equipment existed. This article has been changed to report that the pilot generally described what jamming would be like.
Any article with the author Alex Lockie should be immediately dismissed ... so your answer is yes.
 
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