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The origins of tribes across Pakistan and Hindustan

Kambojas were an Iranic people that settled in Arachosia, a loosely defined region that most likely extended from Arghandabad river in Afghanistan to the Indus river in Pakistan. There were many tribes of the Kambojas that were recorded and detailed by the Greeks.

They began to trickle into Punjab, but we do not know exactly when. My personal theory is that it had to do with Alexander's invasion.

The Kambojas fiercely resisted Alexander in modern-day KPK and at many times fought to the last man and woman (who fought as well). After severe losses, many Kambojas destroyed their own cities and fled (most likely into Punjab); possibly as a scorched-earth tactic.

Some clans migrated as deep into Bengal, Nepal and Tibet and because of their military prowess, dominated the locals, setting up powerful dynasties, the most famous of which is the Kamboja-Pala dynasty of Bengal.

It is recorded in Mauryan edicts that the Kambojas enjoyed autonomy and that Ashoka had sent missionaries to convert them to Buddhism, a religion that most likely became dominant among the Kambojas before the arrival of Islam.

"Indian Kambojas" mostly 'dispute' links with the ancient Kambojas and claim themselves to be Rajputs instead. This can actually have great truth to it as the Kambojas rose to great prominence under the Mughals and many Rajputs and other tribes serving under Kamboh nobles most likely began to refer to themselves as Kambojas, similar to how Rajput clans assimilated into the Gujjars.

I am familiar with some parts of your very interesting note, except that in protohistory, the Parama Kamboja were further north, probably somewhere on the other side of the Hindu Kush; given the description of their horsemanship and their proximity to the Bahlika, the people from Balkh, Bactria, and that they were Aryan-speakers who had 'fallen away' and spoke strangely (meaning from the standard of Indo-Aryan that was spoken in what the priests defined as the correct style), I should have imagined that they were closer to what is today Tajikistan.

I am inclined to think that their horsemanship, and their horses, in fact, were those that the other independent authority on Indian protohistory, the Chinese explorer, Zhang Qian, noticed and described as the 'bleeding horses' (a description often given even later to Ferghana horses). Ferghana, of course, lies within the present-day Tajikistan.

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Ferghana is in the top right hand corner, across the Pamirs, while Gandhara, with which many Pakistanis feel they can identify, is in the bottom right hand corner.

However, these are my personal meanderings; what I have written relates to the Parama Kamboja, not the Kamboja proper. The Kamboja are mentioned in Asokan pillars (@Kambojaric must have come across this), and are thought to have been on the left bank of the Kabul river; quite probable, considering the position of their cousins, the Parama Kamboja, and therefore their proximity to the Gandhara, the mother's brother for the Kaurava crown prince, Duryodhana, born to Gandhari, one reason why they fought for him rather than for the Pandavas)

Just to remind ourselves, the next geographical information that we have about this part of the world is the imperial province list, the relevant ones from Khorasan and trans-Indus India being:
  • Sattagydians, Gandharans, Dadicae, Aparytai;//Border marches; Sattagydia (sata godham, hundred cows, sometimes - in the sense of many - thousand cows; today, Sindh; Gandhara the Kabul region; Dadicae, the Dadi, rulers of the country that is now under the Kakars (although the Cambridge History thinks that they are the Dards; Aparytai, thought by some to refer to the Afridi. This is still pure speculation.
  • Caspians, Pausicae, Pantimathi, Daricae; //Do not belong to our discussion;
  • Bactrians and all neighbouring people as far as the Aegli;//Probably the common ancestors of the Tajik and of the Pushto;
  • Sacae, and the Caspians;//The Scythians, mainly
  • Parthians, Chorasmians, Sogdians and Arians;//The Parthians being irrelevant - too far west - and the Chorasmians (Khwarezmians) too; however, Middle Persian for Parthian was Pahlava, reminiscent of the companions of the Sakas when they swept into Arachosia and following which that province came to be known as Sakasthan - today, Seisthan;

I also read somewhere a very detailed report of how the Kambojas came into conflict with other tribes over the salt plains of Punjab and how they also colonised many areas in Sindh during the pre-Mughal era, but I cannot seem to find it anymore. Will post it once I find it.

The first is VERY PROBABLE, the next, is a possibility, but needs to be inspected with caution.

They are considered, by some sources, to have been located on the left bank of the Kabul River as it debouched into the Indus, and so in an ideal position to have been making miserable people around the Salt Range.
 
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Try not to be an idiot if you can help it. He's a Parsi, and that's as pure an Aryan-speaker as you can get. There is nothing called the Aryan breed, btw, unless you are an active member of the Schutz Staffel. And I don't know how you know what he looks like.

I love young punks who know everything about everybody as soon as they have finished figuring out the keyboard.

I would have ignored him but when I read his bullshit about Maratha and Baloch that had me in stitches, anyway I was trying to tell Desertfighter to ignore the old Gujarati troll. Nothing to do with you my friend, I guess you must be buddies with him so you felt the need to defend him but he's a bit of a C@@t.
 
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I would have ignored him but when I read his bullshit about Maratha and Baloch that had me in stitches, anyway I was trying to tell Desertfighter to ignore the old Gujarati troll. Nothing to do with you my friend, I guess you must be buddies with him so you felt the need to defend him but he's a bit of a C@@t.

Oh, that's it, was it? I take back the bad words; yes, he's a close friend, and introduced me to @jbgt90.

He's a super-troll; I read him and blink with astonishment!

PS: @Jaanbaz I've edited my post; please check.
 
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Oh, that's it, was it? I take back the bad words; yes, he's a close friend, and introduced me to @jbgt90.

He's a super-troll; I read him and blink with astonishment!

Wtf man?!!!

Not even the modicum of respect for my 149 IQ (MENSA certified ...) and Ivy league education?

Sorrowed, Doc
 
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@Kambojaric


There are a number of different traditions as to the origin of the Kamboh. Some Kamboh claim Afghan origin, others claim Arab origin, while others simply claim to be Muslim converts from the Hindu Kamboh caste.

• Those who claim Indian ancestry claim descent from Raja Sodakhsh of Kamboja, an ancient Indian kingdom. The Rajah was a descendent of the god Chandra Verman, and the Kambojas are referred to in the Mahabharata. They are said to have inhabited Afghanistan, which was known as Kamboja desa, or land of the Kamboh.

• Those who claim Afghan origin, claim to belong to the famous Kayani dynasty of ancient Iran. The word Kamboh is said to be a compound of the word Kai Ambo, after an ancestor. The descendents of this king were known as the Kamboh, and Ghazni in Afghanistan was a centre of their power.

• Those who claim Arab ancestry claim descent from Zubair ibn al-Awam, the first cousin of the Prophet Mohammad. According to this tradition, the original homeland of the Kamboh wasMultan and not Afghanistan.

It seems clear is that most Uttar Pradesh Kamboh have strong traditions of migrating from Punjab. Some groups, such as those of Bareilly claim that they were part of the army of Shahbaz Khan Kamboh, a general in the army of the Mughal Emperor Jehangir. He was asked to pacify a rebellion in Assam, and said to have come from Jalandhar in Punjab. Many in his army were Punjabi Kamboh, who instead of returning to Punjab settled in various locations in western Uttar Pradesh.

The exact circumstances of the Kamboh migration to Uttar Pradesh are unclear. However, towards the end of the Delhi Sultanate (1206–1526), we hear increasing references to the Kamboh as playing an important role in the politics. During the Lodhi and Moghul rule. Miyan Jumman Khan Kamboh was “Hajib-i-Khas” (Special Lord of Bed Chamber),Umar Khan Kamboh was Amir-i-Akhur (Minister of Cavalry department)[ and Miyan Ladan Khan Kamboh was an Imam and Royal Nadim of Sikandar Lodhi, Shaikh Itmad-ul-Malik Sambhal was Amir-i-Arz (Paymaster General) and then Prime Minister of Sher Shah Suri. Numerous other Kamboj are known to have occupied very key military and civil positions during Lodhi, Pashtun and the Moghul reign in India. Irfan Habib writes:

The Sayyids and the Kambohs among the Indian Muslims were specially favoured for high military and civil positions during Moghul rule”.
The Kambo, Indian Shaikhzadas and local Saiyid nobles rose to prominence during the period under review” (i.e. Lodi dynasty of Delhi).

According to the historian Muhammad Umar writes:

“The (Muslim) Kamboh distinguished themselves by their courage, generosity and high spirits. They were famous for their excellent manners and were particularly gifted with wisdom and nobility….In terms of social stratification, the Kambohs were counted among the Shaikhs…..Among the Indian Muslims, the Kambohs were regarded as the noblest of all. However, perhaps with a view to maintaining the purity of their descent, or because of pride of nobility, they confined their matrimonial relationships within their own groups and did not establish marriage connections with other Muslim groups including even the Saiyids and the Mughals. Some members of this clan like Shahbaz Khan Kamboh, Nawab Abu Muhammad Khan, Bahadur Khan and Nawab Khair Andesh Khan rose to high positions during the reign of Mughals”

Hindu origin

The tradition of a Hindu origin seems more prevalent among the Kamboh of Saharanpur District. According to tribal myths, they originally lived about Mathura and were Kshatriyas. When Parasu Rama was slaughtering the Kshatriyas, he found their ancestor Bhup Rae armed and ready resist. He, therefore, proposed slaying him; and on Bhup Rae saying that he was not a Kshatriya,Parasu Ram is said to have replied that he was demenour was that of a Kshatriyas. Bhup Rae at once objected that he was not qaim buu (of any fixed odour) at all and was saved. He was afterwards was known as Qaimbn,
which gradually got changed into Kamboh. This legend was recorded in the late 19th Century by the ethnologist William Crooke, at the time most Hindu and Sikh Kamboh were making claims to Kshatriya. What was clear was that both in Punjab, where the majority of Kambohs lived, and in western UP, they were seem by their neighbours as quasi-kshatriya.



Those who claim a Hindu origin, claim their conversion to Islam occurred during the early years of Islam in India, one of the groups of this clan embraced Islam at the instance of Shaikh Bahauddin Zakariya Suhrawardi (of Multan) and his son Shaikh Sadruddin. Their tradition refers to their migration from Multan to Saharanpur under during the rule of the Lodhi dynasty. It is interesting that Saharanpur District is also home to a large community of Hindu Kambohs. These Kamboh have largely remained affiliated with agriculture. In this district, they are believed to be one of sub caste of Jatts. This region may be the site of their earliest settlement in Uttar Pradesh.



Arab origin

The tradition of an Arab origin is more common among the Kamboh of Etah and Bareilly districts. They generally now prefer to be known as Zubairi. Zubairi literally means in Arabic a descendant of Zubair, and the Zubairi Kamboh claim descent Zubair ibn al-Awam. Zubair ibn al-Awam was the first cousin of the Prophet but was also one of his closest companions. He was known for his valor and bravery and is remembered as the conqueror of Egypt in 19 AH, and embraced martyrdom in 36 AH. Zubair was laid to rest in Basra, near the borders of Kuwait and Iraq. This town was named as Al-Zubair. Zubair had twelve sons and nine daughters. Three of his famous sons were Abdullah, Musab and Urwah. Abdullah was a Muslim caliph at Makkah, Musab was the governor of Kufa in 73 AH and Urwa was the first Muslim historian.

After almost fifty years of the conquest of Sindh by Muhammad Bin Qasim, Zuberis started migrating from Makkah and Medina towards Sindh. Most of them settled at place near modern Dadu. By the end of 4th century AH, Zuberis started migrating from Sindh to Multan. During 14th century AD, portion of Zuberi clan migrated to Delhi. Sheikh Samauddin Zuberi was a famous Sufi who led this migration. Afterwards Zuberi family flourished in Lahore, Panipat, Delhi and Sambhal. During the regime of Mughal Emperor Akbar, Zuberis also settled in Meerut.

Kamboh of Marehra, Etah District

The Kambohs of Marehra in Etah District claim to be Arab descent, and often call themselves Zubairi. There ancestor was Shaikh
Khwajah Imad-ud-din Muhammad , a native of Multan, who was a courtier of the first Mughal Emperor Babur (20 April 1526 – 26 December 1530). Babur appointed him amil (administrator) of Marehra around 1527.In 1542, during the reign of Sher Shah, the Khwaja’s two sons were appointed to the offices of chaudary and kanunjo of the pargana (lowest administrative unit), when theses post were created. These posts remained with the descendants of the original holders until the occupation of country by the British, when the office of was abolished.The Mughal Emperor Akbar conferred the proprietary rights on Marehra to Fateh Khan and Umar Khan, grandsons of the Khwaja. The town was divided into eleven muhallas or wards, the most noteworthy of which was the Kamboh muhalla.

Kamboh of Meerut District

The Muslim Kambohs of Meerut, in Uttar Pradesh have a tradition that they belonged to a distinguished Kamboh family of Ghazni which had come to India in early eleventh century in the invading army of Sulatn Mahmud of Ghazni (rule: 997 AD – 1030 AD). According to their own accounts the name “Kamboh” of the family is derived from that of their original home, Kamboja, the ancient name for Afghanistan. The Muslaman Kambohs of Meerut stated that that one of their ancestors, Hasan Mahmudi Kamboh was the Wazir (minister) of Sultan Mahmud Ghazni and came to India in first decade of eleventh century AD in the army of the Sultan. Their ancestors succeeded in capturing the city of Meerut from Raja Mai of Meerut Hassan Mahmudi Kamboh built the Jama Masjid in the city and around it stand buried the Kamboh heroes from Ghazni who fell in the attack on Meerut. The Masjid was later repaired in 16th century during the rule of Mughal Emperor Humayun. The early members of the Kamboh family built the Sangi Mahal which was later known as Permit House and another elegant palace known as Rangi Mahal– the remains of both these once-elegant palaces are still in existence.

Kamboh of Amroha and Moradabad

The Kambohs of Amroha all claim to come from Afghanistan. They traditionally resided in two mohallahs, the Saddu muhalla Kamboh who were Shia and those of Badshahi Chabutra wo were Sunni. The Saddu muhalla Kambohs claimed descent from from Hakim Imam-ud-din Khan, who arrived in Amroha the end of the eighteenth century from Meerut . The Sunni Kambohs claim descent from Muhtashim Khan, who came to Amroha at a somewhat earlier date. This family is related to the Sunni Kambohs of Moradabad, whose ancestor, Karim Bakhsh arrived in Moradabad from Dehli , during the rule of the Awadh Nawab Asaf-ud-daula. The Awadhi authorities appointed him chakladar . When Awadh rule was replaced by the British in the beginning of the 19th Century, he was made tehsildar. These Moradabad Kambohs were substantial landowners. In addition to the Muslim Kambohs, the old district of Moradabad (now Amroha, Moradabad and Sambhal) was also home to a large community of Hindu Kambohs.

https://newpakhistorian.wordpress.com/tag/muslim-kamboh/
 
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i respectfully disagree. royals and nobles make only tiny percentage of while population. fore example Brahmins are 2.5% of whole India and if we only count north Indian Brahmins they % surely drops to 1.5%.

even if we count Real Rajputs, in Rajasthan Rajputs are only 10% of total population than how can we accept that whole region or at least 60
% to 80% of it is populated by royal/noble clans ?

That's a point too but remember that these tribes have very close traits and a few genetic studies also suggesting same ancestry. I"ll try to relocate the source for you.
 
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I am a Kamboh indeed. Our non-Muslim kin use the term Kamboj. How we have kept our identity intact, I have no idea to be honest. I have studied in a basic sense the Kamboja/Parama Kamboja history, and yet subsequent to the move down to Central/Eastern Punjab we seem to disappear from the history books, until we reemerge as Kamboj/Kamboh during the medieval period. There is talk of one "Hasan Mahmudi Kamboh" who was a wazir and general in the army of Mahmud Ghaznavi, but this may very well be a fictionalised character created by the Kamboh Nawab family of Meerut to amplify their noble lineage, as was often the case during this era (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawab_Khair_Andesh_Khan is one famous individual of this line).
The peak of Muslim Kambohs at least came during Mughal rule, when the tribe seems to have been elevated to nobility status, which is a rarity amongst Punjabi tribes. Abū al-Faz̤l in the Ain-e-Akbari writes that

"during the reigns of Akbar and Jahangir, it was certainly a distinction to belong to this tribe (Kamboh), as will be seen just now ... (goes on to explain the various notable Kamboh figures during this period)"
page 399, Ain-e-Akbari (translated by H.Blochman).

These notable figures include Shahbaz Khan Kamboh and Sheikh Gadai Kamboh. However during the Sultunate period, Kambohs had become prominent already. Sheikh Jamali Kamboh and Sama'uddin Kamboh (of Multan) come to mind now.

In the modern era one famous Muslim Kamboh is Nawab Waqar ul Mulk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawab_Waqar-ul-Mulk_Kamboh) who was a founding father of the Muslim League, and a famous Sikh Kamboj is Udham Singh, the assassin of Michael O'Dwyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udham_Singh)

I have heard a very different version for Kamohs, they are called Kamoh in Indian Punjab, and mostly concentrated near the Pakistan border especially in Fazilka and Abohar areas. They are considered a lower caste by Jatts, one of my friends from Abohar called them Churras (no offence intended). Don't know much about these things so Kamboj and Kamoh could be different people.
 
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I have heard a very different version for Kamohs, they are called Kamoh in Indian Punjab, and mostly concentrated near the Pakistan border especially in Fazilka and Abohar areas. They are considered a lower caste by Jatts, one of my friends from Abohar called them Churras (no offence intended). Don't know much about these things so Kamboj and Kamoh could be different people.
Here in Pakistan, Churra (although derived from a tribe) is a racial slur against dark-skinned people and sometimes even Indians. Kambohs are not really dark-skinned, I don't understand why your friend would call them that, unless it carries a different meaning in India.
 
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Here in Pakistan, Churra (although derived from a tribe) is a racial slur against dark-skinned people and sometimes even Indians. Kambohs are not really dark-skinned, I don't understand why your friend would call them that, unless it carries a different meaning in India.
It is also a racial slur (punishable by law for up to two years) and they are considered untouchables/dalits by Hindus. Their castes/tribes are Valmikis & Mazabhi Sikhs and categorised as scheduled caste by Indian Constitution. It is sad to day as a Sikh, even in our religion they are discriminated. You are right about the Kamohs though, I know one and its a small sample size, however he has very light skin and look more Kashmiri than Punjabi.
 
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There was also an Indian study that found that Greek genetic contribution was up to 15% of the population of Punjab (Indian Punjab). I'm guessing these numbers would be much higher on the Pakistani side.

Source? Only study I've seen so far was to detect Greek admixture in pathans and they didn't find anything. Till there is hard evidence I will continue to believe we are all indo-aryan, iranic, ivc, onge aborginal left overs.

@Proudpakistaniguy Brilliant write up..confirms What I suspected

20% of the Paternal genes in Punjab descend from Islamic invasions
may be around 10-20% from the Scythian,Kushana,Huna,Parthian invasions

and around 16% from the original Aryan invasion

-------The mix of Central Asian genes in Indo-Aryan Pak Punjab would be around 46-56%----------------------


while regarding India upper caste Hindu in North-West

10% from Scythian,Kushana,Huna,Parthian invasion
16% from original Aryan invasion
----The Mix of Central Asian genes in North Western Republic of India would be around 26%---------------------


This for you as well as @Joe Shearer as to how one tribe pushes the other out of central Asia and all of them follow like a train to the subcontinent


How much persians have aryan ancestry in your opinion?
 
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That paper is only talking about some similar haplogroups, not admixture. Plus almost 2 decade ago DNA tech was not as advance as today and resolution of hoplgraphs was low. For exemple J2 from south asia and europe had common ancestor 10 thousand or more years ago. When Greeks or civilisation as we know it didn't exist.

So its not like it came with Greeks unless we can prove with latest high resolution tests across the board.
 
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I thought your Mongol Father taught you how to speak like civilized person but I guess I was wrong. @padamchen was right, Once a Khanjarzaat always a Khanjarzaat. You must be lar pathan/pashtunised Dardic or Baloch.


Kamboj is a jat Gotra in India. They live in Northern Part of Punjab.


Thanks.

I have simple Questions for you, how many native rajput Tribes in Punjab and Sindh are Real ? and what's their population? are there any Muhajir Rajputs in Pakistan beside Haryanvi Rajputs and Khanzada of UP ?



Shouldn't be in History section or claim origin for Indian/Hindu System if you can take the hear or prove your claim.:)

This practice is not unique to plains, even on Hills and Valley of Kashmir we have many Hindus who believes that they are not Indians but "persians" even if they look some what different from regular Indians. large number of Himachalis are notorious for this... very racist people, they believe that They are Pure Aryans and other Indians are below us. @padamchen

A fellow KP and member of this site called Kashmiri Pandit is one of them. I pity those who have to Invent Illegitimate father to feel Good about themselves.

I'm not sure why I as tagged here.

My only real beef is with gelf mallus (feckless slimy irritating) and with converted Marathas trying to pass off as Iranic. When all they are in reality is a "tribe" of POWs who couldn't go back.

Cheers, Doc
 
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