The origins of tribes across Pakistan and Hindustan

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

MarathI ---------------All inhabitants of the Huge State of Maharashtra who speak the Marathi Language
MarathA-------------specific clan or caste who can trace their lineage to the soldiers of Maratha Empire
Shinde,Scindia,Deshmukh,Sardesai,Bhonsle etc

 

[friendly_troll96]

MarathI ---------------All inhabitants of the Huge State of Maharashtra who speak the Marathi Language
MarathA-------------specific clan or caste who can trace their lineage to the soldiers of Maratha Empire
Shinde,Scindia,Deshmukh,Sardesai etc

That's very simple. People here shouldn't be needing a dictionary.

 

[Jaanbaz]

We are a sub branch of Rind tribe.. and are divided into further sub branches...

Marri Tribesmen from Kohlu (Marri Stronghold)

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marathi from india:

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Need i say more?
some =-=--00000=== may want to relate 2 us through their paternal lineage ... DNA tests are available ..


Marri,Bugti,Mengal:

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Why do you even reply to this Gujarati babu? Doc thinks he is some sort of pure Aryan breed but he looks like your typical Gujarati babu.

 

[Pakistani E]

There are hardly any tribes in this world who have managed to maintain a lineage spanning thousands of years. Almost every ethno-racial group has been genetically influenced by another, it was historically crucial for civilizational evolution and development. Just look at the various indigenous peoples of today, such as the Sentinelese and the Amazonians and you will realize how crucial 'mixing' was.

After the decline and collapse of IVC, it was various mass-migrations into the Indus Basin that rekindled the flame of civilization in the Indus region once again. It was during their era, that we were most likely introduced our "tribal/baradari system", hence why most of our tribes today can trace their line back to these migrations.

However there is no doubt, that our blood is considerably or mostly indigenous and we can proudly say that we are of dual ancestry and "the best of both worlds".

I understand the point you are making and I certainly don't believe in purity of ethnic groups as that's bs. What I was saying was this zeal to label every single Punjabi tribe as Rajput or Jatt or mix of one or the another. As if no other people have settled here during those mass-migrations.

I am not saying this because I am ashamed or disrespect Rajputs or Jatts. Honestly, I respect these folks as my brothers and taking some sort of personal delight in claiming another origin just for the sake of it is not my cup of tea. But I think it is a simplification to give these two identities only for all Punjabi tribes. There is a significant number of Awans in KPK, where a PHD student recently carried out some DNA and morphological analysis, a part of which I posted in a separate thread few weeks back. In it, the Awans of Mansehra and Abbotabad clustered with Swatis, Tanolis and even matched with Wakhis and Khos. Now I am not sure what the results would be for Punjabi Awans, but I am assuming there will be relations as I also have relatives in Hazara area even though my branch is settled in the Salt Range.

More studies need to be done on Pakistani people I think. Maybe some day our government would wake up and be serious about this as well.

 

[Brahmarshi]

I'll be honest. I'm a racialist. Not racist.

But when guys get racist -and their racism is based on false claims, something inside me snaps.

The results are less than pretty ....

Cheers, Doc

What's different between those two terms ?

I am not racist doc, i just want to preserve what my ancestors gave me and told me to preserve it with any cost.

I love and respect everyone Equally but i Just my Children and my people to look like me.

You know what happened to Indo-Iranics of Central Asia when Mongols AND turks conquered it doc.

I love the way you trigger your long lost Maratha brother. dont worrt, one day he will remember his roots as we say in Hindi.

सुबह का भूला शाम को ज़रूर लौट आता हैं ।
1 lyk = 1 Respect

Regards

 

[qamar1990]

Sunar, Lohar, Julaha, Tarkhan, Nai Hajjam, darzi, teli, Qasaab, dhobi, mirasi, Chura/khakroob are profession more than tribes

yes they are... but they have become tribes now becuase no body mixes with them... how ever
musalis/ churas are not a profession and their facial features are also different from all other kammis and zamindars so they have a different origin i think...
just to make it clear i dont support any of this caste bs and kammi vs zamindar ect...

 

[qamar1990]

Not interested in Kamboj. Show more results of Arains please.

kamboj and arains are one

 

[lastofthepatriots]

kamboj and arains are one

Shut up.

Arain is Arain.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Why do you even reply to this Gujarati babu? Doc thinks he is some sort of pure Aryan breed but he looks like your typical Gujarati babu.

He's a Parsi, and that's as pure an Aryan-speaker as you can get. There is nothing called the Aryan breed, btw, unless you are an active member of the Schutz Staffel. And I don't know how you know what he looks like.


@Jaanbaz - please note the edits.

 

[padamchen]

What's different between those two terms ?

I am not racist doc, i just want to preserve what my ancestors gave me and told me to preserve it with any cost.

I love and respect everyone Equally but i Just my Children and my people to look like me.

You know what happened to Indo-Iranics of Central Asia when Mongols AND turks conquered it doc.

I love the way you trigger your long lost Maratha brother. dont worrt, one day he will remember his roots as we say in Hindi.

सुबह का भूला शाम को ज़रूर लौट आता हैं ।
1 lyk = 1 Respect

Regards

A racialist is one who is immensely proud about his racial legacy and roots. But in a constructive way. Without malevolence. Or hate. Or insecurity.

A racist is foul hateful insecure person living in a ghetto complex paranoid mentality about those different than him and wishes them harm to preserve his existence and rise and stay above.

Cheers, Doc

P.S. The person in question is no brother of mine. Blood or otherwise. He's a punk with a rich dad, whose yet to see life and do something on his own.

 

[Joe Shearer]

yes they are... but they have become tribes now becuase no body mixes with them... how ever
musalis/ churas are not a profession and their facial features are also different from all other kammis and zamindars so they have a different origin i think...
just to make it clear i dont support any of this caste bs and kammi vs zamindar ect...

Your last line is the important one.

If this is happening in Pakistan, be careful, be very careful. It is obvious that this is how the caste system originated (in part; the other part was the social engineering carried out to debase the original inhabitants: personal opinion).

kamboj and arains are one

Kamboj are a VERY ancient tribe, mentioned in the Puranas. The Parama Kamboj may have actually been speakers of Indo-Aryan north of the Hindu Kush. It's an amazing survival into the modern age from the proto-historic. Others mentioned along with them are the Bactrians, the Uttara Madra (the Madra, probably a cognate tribe, were further south, this side of the Hindu Kush) and the Uttara Kuru (everyone knows who the Kuru are; the Rajputs even claim descent from them, with doubtful authenticity).

Someone asked me (I think on this thread, but not sure) if any of the ancient Kshatriyas survived. If Kamboj lived on the Indian side of the Radcliffe Line (I don't think there are any at all), I would have pointed at them.

The Kamboja and some other allies of theirs from the extreme north fought ferociously during the battle and acquired a fearful reputation.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your last line is the important one.

If this is happening in Pakistan, be careful, be very careful. It is obvious that this is how the caste system originated (in part; the other part was the social engineering carried out to debase the original inhabitants: personal opinion).



Kamboj are a VERY ancient tribe, mentioned in the Puranas. The Parama Kamboj may have actually been speakers of Indo-Aryan north of the Hindu Kush. It's an amazing survival into the modern age from the proto-historic. Others mentioned along with them are the Bactrians, the Uttara Madra (the Madra, probably a cognate tribe, were further south, this side of the Hindu Kush) and the Uttara Kuru (everyone knows who the Kuru are; the Rajputs even claim descent from them, with doubtful authenticity).

Someone asked me (I think on this thread, but not sure) if any of the ancient Kshatriyas survived. If Kamboj lived on the Indian side of the Radcliffe Line (I don't think there are any at all), I would have pointed at them.

The Kamboja and some other allies of theirs from the extreme north fought ferociously during the battle and acquired a fearful reputation.

I just got a very annoyed personal mail, saying that there were indeed Kambojas in India, and that their Pakistani counterparts call themselves Kamboh.

@qamar1990

Is this correct? Is the name Kamboh?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I just got a very annoyed personal mail, saying that there were indeed Kambojas in India, and that their Pakistani counterparts call themselves Kamboh.

@qamar1990

Is this correct? Is the name Kamboh?

Kamboh is what they're called in Punjab as far as I know. We have a member here. His name is @Kambojaric

 

[Joe Shearer]

Kamboh is what they're called in Punjab as far as I know. We have a member here. His name is @Kambojaric

Amazing!

Imagine how they kept their identity intact through possibly 3,500 years! I'm gobsmacked!!

@Kambojaric

Sir, are you from the group called Kamboh? I seem to remember that you had commented about this ethnicity sometime during the last one month or so?

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

Good to know a little bit about Jatt history. I always thought we were offshoots of Rajputs with whom we share so many traits also. Do Pakistani/Muslim Jatts visit Jatheras (our elders, we remember them on yearly basis) also?

According to one of my village elder (RIP)
Jatts, Rajputs and Gujjars can be considered three sons of the same father. The ones that left military for agriculture and herding for a living were called Jatts and Gujjars respectively. So, probably as royal families expanded, every one couldn't be adjusted around.